A prime Mike Tyson VS a prime David Haye, who wins?

CorkMan

I think Tyson would win inside 5, who knows though? Haye survived 12 rounds against Valuev, and he is very quick. If he was around in the late 80s/90s I reckon he would have been classified as one ofthe top 2/3 heavyweights on the scene.

BTW, this is the Tyson who foughts Michael Spinks, not the one who fought Frank Bruno or Buster Douglas.

joepenguin

Tyson within 5.... seconds!!!

Haye wouldnt get by the first imo. Its one thing trying to keep away from a lumbering Valuev or if it ever comes off out foxing a cautious Klitschko. He could keep away from them as long as needs be but even the thoughts of Tysons seek and destroy style, dynamite power and fearlessness would see Haye curled up in the corner sucking his thumb at the sound of the first bell.

efb

Tyson KO R2

seadnamac

Tyson clearly, it's a ridiculous comparison as Haye hasn't even fought any heavyweight of decent caliber yet.

Noffles

Tyson... no debate at all... and Haye in a serious but stable condition in hospital.

johnnyjb

I think know tyson would destroy him. About 95 out of 100 fights (if it was possible to do that many to)

Haye is only a Sky Sports media project.Their just trying to push him up the ladder to make money. Fair enough this happened with tyson and his management but tyson could whoop some ass plain and simply ,one two goodnight.

cowzerp

100 out of a 100 wins for iron mike and 90 of them would be 1st round ko's. the other 10 would be when he wants to bring on sustained pain!

gene_tunney

Is this some kind of sick joke? Tyson sparks him in 1.

CorkMan wrote: »

I think Tyson would win inside 5, who knows though? Haye survived 12 rounds against Valuev, and he is very quick. If he was around in the late 80s/90s I reckon he would have been classified as one ofthe top 2/3 heavyweights on the scene.

BTW, this is the Tyson who foughts Michael Spinks, not the one who fought Frank Bruno or Buster Douglas.

Valuev=/=Tyson

mrgardener

The most one sided match up imaginable. Tyson wins within two minutes...

nacho libre

considering guys with good chins were seeing the canvas after a few rounds, i think it would be lights out the very first time Tyson connected with anything meaningful.

mrgardener

nacho libre wrote: »

considering guys with good chins were seeing the canvas after a few rounds, i think it would be lights out the very first time Tyson connected with anything meaningful.

i.e. 2 minutes!

f1dan

Prime Mike Tyson beats pretty much anyone

Benny Lava

This is clearly a wind-up thread.

Everyone knows a prime Tyson would slaughter a prime Haye. I'd say vicious KO before the end of round 1.

joepenguin

Benny Lava wrote: »

This is clearly a wind-up thread.

Everyone knows a prime Tyson would slaughter a prime Haye. I'd say vicious KO before the end of round 1.

Ah its a fair enough question. Haye is after all a current world title holder so the question of how he would fair againt former champs is bout to come up. Heres another spin on it: The fight is on, you are in the corner of a prime haye vs a prime tyson. Buffer has said his piece, Mills lane has gave his instructions and Jimmy Magee is articulating his view to the millions watching around the world :pac:
What do you say to the hayemaker?
Personally id say "chat ya later buddy!!!"

Benny Lava

joepenguin wrote: »

Jimmy Magee is articulating his view to the millions watching around the world :pac:

...and by chance millions of ears are bleeding!

joepenguin wrote: »

What do you say to the hayemaker?

"Is your donor card in the changing room?"

ragg

Tyson by death within 30 seconds

Joe Luis

this thread is a bit of a joke, if someone says haye would win could they please post up their picture while their at it? I'd like to know what the dumbest person on the internet looks like

colly10

I'm surprised anyone would ask this as a serious question but anyway, Tyson by brutal KO in the first.
Tyson would have this fight won before the bell for the first round, many fighters feared Tyson and Haye would be no exception, fear causes a fighter to make stupid decisions.

You mentioned Spinks, Spinks had a record of 31-0-0 (21 KO) before he met tyson, Tyson knocked him out in the first round after knocking him down for the second time, he retired Spinks. Spinks was afraid on his way to the ring telling fans he'll try his best, Tyson said after the fight Spinks was scared, when you see that Spinks had never lost a fight that will give you an idea of what an intimidating prospect fighting a prime Tyson was.

Haye v Tyson is a non contest, I havn't seen anything from any heavyweight that would give me confidence that they could beat a prime Tyson, i'm not saying that there never was one but I havn't seen any

For anyone interested, this sums the man up, excellent clip -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGtX8Woz4RM

whaaames

colly10 wrote: »

many fighters feared Tyson and Haye would be no exception, fear causes a fighter to make stupid decisions.

+1

Before 'Buster' Douglas showed what could happen, Iron Mike was the most feared fighter in the world bar none and Haye would've been beaten before he entered the ring..

Aswell ad that factor, simply Mike would've far too much for him, the willingness to come foreward, the speed and the devestating knockout power would've seen Haye take punishment for no more than 4 rounds before we either seen a towel come in or he was laid out.

Tyson by KO inside 4

walshb

To be honest, I think you are giving Haye 11 minutes of action that
I really doubt he sees. Haye wasn't even all that strong.
I doubt he would even be effective trying to tie Mike up. I reckon about 2 mins max and Haye
gets destroyed.

whaaames

Ok Ok...

Maybe i'm being a bit generous to David here so i'll revert to ko in 3

In the first it's a bit stand-offish and tyson is sussing Haye out and he withstands the onslought.
In the secone, this is where the punishment starts and Mike has sussed Hayes speed and movement and lands a bombs and deadly combos
So after all in the third Haye goes down, either gets a standing 8 and then is finished off Mike Spinks style or the towel come in...

I stand corrected ha

nacho libre

whaaames wrote: »

Ok Ok...

Maybe i'm being a bit generous to David here so i'll revert to ko in 3

In the first it's a bit stand-offish and tyson is sussing Haye out and he withstands the onslought.
In the secone, this is where the punishment starts and Mike has sussed Hayes speed and movement and lands a bombs and deadly combos
So after all in the third Haye goes down, either gets a standing 8 and then is finished off Mike Spinks style or the towel come in...

I stand corrected ha

I still think you are being too generous to Haye, given what's likely to happen when a monster puncher meets a guy with a suspect chin. The first time Tyson lands anything decent it's lights out for Haye. I don't think it would take till the third round for this to happen.

Andrew Flexing

Haye hasn't properly been hit with a Heavyweight power shot. It will be interesting to see how he reacts to that!

OP, Tyson would win at the 'stare down' prior to the first bell !

Why doesn't Haye fight Adamek or Arreola instaed of an old Holyfield or a crap Harrisson?!?!

megadodge

Tyson by KO1, or at the very most early round 2.

His out and out aggression would mean there would be no 'feeling out' period and Haye doesn't have the physical strength or chin to hold him off. And while Haye has excellent power Tyson had a very good chin, so even if David landed it wouldn't change things.

One thing I will say though is that I don't think Haye would be as scared as a lot of Tyson opponents. He has always had plenty of confidence. It's just that it wouldn't help him in this fight.

Johner

Tyson inside a minute.

walshb

No disrespect to Haye, but in Mike's era, Haye probably stays at 200 lbs.
He would not be competitive with a fair few of the men from the early to late
80s. Take Tucker, Bonecrusher, Ruddock, Biggs, Pinklon Thomas, Dokes, even Tubbs,
Tillis and the very effective Buster Douglas. Also, Bruno would be very dangerous for Haye.
I'd include Gary Mason there too, oh, and not forgetting Lewis. So, the 90s too was an era
out of Haye's league.

Haye is just a tad bit small and weak for these guys. He is like Holyfield, WITHOUT the big heart, and chin.
Holyfield was smaller than many men, but made up for it with his skills and amazing courage and heart.
David I don't think comes close to Holyfield in these categories.

Brian010

Christ. Iron Mike would kill him. He walked right through much bigger guys. Haye has an non-existent guard so he'd be caught hard and early.

death1234567

Tyson's power versus Haye's Glass chin? Are you serious?

Auvers

f1dan wrote: »

Prime Mike Tyson beats pretty much anyone

Foreman would of killed Tyson as Mike knew he would of got his ass handed to him if he fought Foreman in 1987 and this is when Forman was 41

walshb

Auvers wrote: »

Foreman would of killed Tyson as Mike knew he would of got his ass handed to him if he fought Foreman in 1987 and this is when Forman was 41

Whatever about the 70s Foreman having a chance, I do not think the older and slower man would beat Mike. And, how does he kill Mike, exactly? Remember, he didn't kill others, others like Morrisson, Holyfield, and even a blown up and past it LH, Qawi, lasted 7 rds with him, yet you think a 218 lb peak Tyson gets killed?

Foreman was not 41 in 1987. He was 37 then. Very hittable, yes, a very good chin, but in 1987 Mike was a ball of power, speed and wicked combinations. One shot might not do it, but Mike would be hopping off three
and four shots to George's head. No, KO win for Mike is what I see, and early.

Auvers

sorry I meant to say 1990 as Forman made his comeback in 1987

Foreman-Tyson was the biggest fight that could have been made in 1990 it would of been a huge payday for Tyson, so why did he not fight him?

I will tell you why because he was scared of big Georges punching power and defeat was a definite possibility


about nitpicking with the word "killed" just replace it with "defeated"

strobe

"Tyson would fustigate him."

joepenguin

Im with walshie on this one. A prime tyson beats a 40something foreman although he soaks upa a lot of punishment and tyson has a relatively tough nights work as he tries to land the big punches.
A prime Foreman has much more of a chance and that really is a fantasy fight, almost up there with Ali-Tyson for me.
Frazier-Tyson would be one id have loved to see as well, i dont think they are as similar as people make out and would have been a great bout.

Keeping with Haye: Never mind a prime Tyson, a (whatever stage he's at) Harrisson would trouble him if he was even just a little bit confident in himself. Lets not forget Haye doesnt like been hit, you can see his body language change a lot. Even when ruiz roughed him up a bit. Imagine Audleys left connectin??? If it wasnt for his lack of confidence / unwillingness to engage this fight is 50/50.

walshb

Auvers wrote: »

about nitpicking with the word "killed" just replace it with "defeated"

Nitpicking? Seriously, there is a huge difference between the two words; they aren't remotely close. Could OLD George defeat peak Mike? I doubt it. Kill him? I doubt it even more. So, I don't think I was nitpicking at all.;)

whaaames

walshb wrote: »

Foreman was not 41 in 1987. He was 37 then. Very hittable, yes, a very good chin, but in 1987 Mike was a ball of power, speed and wicked combinations. One shot might not do it, but Mike would be hopping off three
and four shots to George's head. No, KO win for Mike is what I see, and early.

Agreed...

Tyson for me was the most devestating heavyweight of all time, the peak peak tyson of 86' - 89' wall the real deal, and ive said it a million times, ferocious speed, willingness to trade, knockout power in either hand and most importantly this was before he went off the rails altogether...

I know i'm gonna come in for a HUGE amount of criticism for saying this, but, i reckon the peak in shape and clued in Iron Mike beats any heavy weight in history...

And i've had this out many many times and there are arguements for Ali, Frazier, Foreman and even Shavers...Marciaono & Louis...but i genuienly think even though he would've been outboxed by some, all he needed to do was catch them once and that turns the whole tide...

For me, and this is totally personal, put them in against that Tyson and theres only one winner....

walshb

I don't see how anyone could logically critiscise you or anyone for feeling that the best ever Tyson would have a chance to beat any man that ever lived. I am talking about the best, the years you mentioned. Fully prepared and committed, the guy was a beast. Of all the qualities he has, it is actually the chin and 12 rds stamina that allow him to be always in with a massive chance. His chin was very solid, and at peak, he could fight and maintain that
power for 36 minutes.

Now, if you said that a Joe Walcott, Floyd Patterson, Jess Willard could at peak beat any man that ever lived, I would be quite enquiring as to this belief.;) But, Mike at peak was sensational, and the thing is, once you possess that kind of power, it always is a possibility. Flush shots like the one that dropped Holmes are only ever inches away when you face Tyson.

Also, of his ten or so defences, who even got close to him? He dominated all
his title opposition. And some of them men were damn handy.

Take the two most famous, Ali and Louis. I really believe that Louis' style is perfect for
Mike, and Mike's chin sees him take Louis', but no way does a 200 lb Louis
survive the bombs from a 218 lb Tyson. Tyson hit far too hard for Louis.

Ali of the Liston fights probably gets the job done, but very tough and close.
He would be on much greater alert than he was for Liston, and maybe
this affects Ali and benefits Mike. It's almost a toss up, but as you say,
one wicked shot flush could end it, or dramatically change the
course of the fight.

One more is the peak Holy. Now, the ones that met were BOTH past it.
The best Tyson is just overall too strong and heavy handed for a 1991-1992
Holyfiled. He was well past it in 1996, jail time and all, yet survived 11 rds with
a Holyfield that was probably physically a deal stronger than the 1991-1992 version.
I think he was juiced big time.

Bert Cooper gave Holy serious trouble; and Holy had to really dig deep. Bert
isn't close to what Mike could do. Bowe wobbled Holy very badly, and Tyson IMO
was even heavier with the hands. Holyfield too brave for his own good. Mike from
1986-1988 would relish a war with a 1990-1992 Holyfield. I am also
betting that Mike isn't all that troubled with Holy's power

Auvers

walshb wrote: »

Nitpicking? Seriously, there is a huge difference between the two words; they aren't remotely close. Could OLD George defeat peak Mike? I doubt it. Kill him? I doubt it even more. So, I don't think I was nitpicking at all.;)

fair enough

but my point still stands I honestly think that Tyson at that time was scared of Foreman and they where waiting for George to just get a little slower and older and in the invening years build up the hype (Don Kings wet dream) for the fight, but then Tyson went and got himself arrested for rape

L.T.P.

There is no heavyweight in history that would've beaten Tyson in his prime. He would've wiped the floor with Haye..

mrgardener

L.T.P. wrote: »

There is no heavyweight in history that would've beaten Tyson in his prime. He would've wiped the floor with Haye..

Seriously!!
So that would make Tyson the greatest heavyweight ever???
I would be hard pressed to have Tyson in the top ten.
Maybe its because he rejuvenated the heavyweight division and had an excellent KO record?
But as we all know, there are other ways to win fights than by KO.
Fighters are judged by skill, speed etc but also by the quality of their opposition at the time.
Tyson lost time and time again to boxers that would not make the heavyweight top ten.
The argument that "Tyson was past his prime" is a ridiculous one imo. He was younger, stronger, faster than most boxers he faced but didnt have the will, heart, confidence or brains to get the job done.
And that is what makes a true legend in my eyes.

walshb

I think what the poster means is that at peak, one on one in a fight, that Mike could have beaten any man ever. Now, this is a very plausible thought.
We are talking basically for those three or so years, 1986-1988.

Yes, age wise in 1990 Mike was peak, but seriously, watch that Tyson vs. Douglas, it was quite obvious a lot was missing. Preparation, commitment and focus wasn't there, and yet he still showed tremendous courage, heart and a steel chin that night. Buster hit him with everything for ten rds.
Rooney, Mike's soul, his guide, his motivator, was gone!

Career wise it's a different debate. Was Mike's career as impressive as Alis? I don't think so. Would Mike stand a very good chance at peak to beat the best Ali? You would have to say yes. Remember, it's that awesome speed and power that will always be so dangerous for his opponent, no matter who that is. Also, Mike's stamina and chin at peak allow him to be always in the fight.

BTW, Tyson lost to men AFTER his three year stretch inside. He was not close to the 80s
peak when he lost to men like Holyfield, McBride, Lewis etc. You cannot judge the
mid 90s Tyson as being close to peak. He was not. He was finished as a real force when he
went to prison.

Rob113

I dont think its even worth debating. An absolute peak Tyson blows almost everyone away.

Although in saying that he must still be regarded as one of the biggest wastes of talent in boxing. He should have dominated the division for years. If he hadnt gone off the rails as badly i dont think the heavyweight division would be in the state it is in now.

Ash.J.Williams

Man check out the david haye audley harrison press details.....Haye is a joke isn't fit to even look at Tyson...............

mrgardener

walshb wrote: »

BTW, Tyson lost to men AFTER his three year stretch inside. He was not close to the 80s
peak when he lost to men like Holyfield, McBride, Lewis etc. You cannot judge the
mid 90s Tyson as being close to peak. He was not. He was finished as a real force when he
went to prison.

Thats one of the points I was making. Many boxers have had time away from the ring for whatever reason (Ali being the obvious one) yet had the skill, determination etc to regain world titles etc.
If the argument is this "peak" Tyson, then I firmly believe that "peak" Ali, Frazier and even Bowe would have beaten him. There are a few more to be honest, but neither of the three mentioned would have been intimidated by Tyson.
I really dont get the argument that Tyson was the greatest ever.
Very good, yes. So was Holyfield, Bowe, and Lewis. They just didnt have that amazing KO record.
I guess because he went to jail, people use that as an excuse as to why his boxing skills went downhill.
Tyson would have had a chance against ANY great boxer no doubt, but then, so would Klitschko (probably a better KO record as well).

Warper

This has to be the worst comparison of all time. Haye is a Sky product fighting has-beens.

Benny Lava

Prime Audley Harrison vs. Prime Mike Tyson, who wins?

Warper

Benny Lava wrote: »

Prime Audley Harrison vs. Prime Mike Tyson, who wins?

Lol, now that is a fight I would love to see.

CorkMan

The things is Tyson doesn't have a record of faring well against fighters who didn't show signs in being intimidated ala Bonecrusher Smith, Holyfield, Douglas (not that every fighter who wasn't intimidated would have beat him).

For example Ali wasn't the most intimidating guy, but he beats the seeming indestrucble Sonny Liston, as Tyson would come to be regarded, over 6 rounds. But Patterson, was KO'd over 2 fights in the 1st round by Liston, went 11 with Ali!

Point being, Ali wasn't the most intimidating guy, but he would surely beat the best of best, 66-67 version. A good question would be Tyson VS a 67-70 Frazier or 71-74 Foreman. Both wouldn't have been intimidated or pushed around, and both could take a great punch. The relentless pressure of Frazier would have been a lot, the hardest hitting heavyweights of all time Foreman would question Tysons ability to take a punch he never took before.

Who knows, Foreman could have lifted Tyson off his feet! "Howard Cosell: Don King ushers to Foremans corner, slowly but surely"

JonathanAnon

It's been so long ago it can be hard to remember exactly how good Tyson was.. In his younger days, he was extremely aggressive yet still skillfull, fast, disciplined and accurate. He tended to just go after his prey from the starting bell, and I couldnt imagine that Haye would have made it past the first..

Would love to see it all the same. Anything exciting in the heavyweight division would be a change.. All the last Klitchko, Haye, Chagaev, Harrison fights have been snoozefests.

Warper

JonathanAnon wrote: »

It's been so long ago it can be hard to remember exactly how good Tyson was.. In his younger days, he was extremely aggressive yet still skillfull, fast, disciplined and accurate. He tended to just go after his prey from the starting bell, and I couldnt imagine that Haye would have made it past the first..

Would love to see it all the same. Anything exciting in the heavyweight division would be a change.. All the last Klitchko, Haye, Chagaev, Harrison fights have been snoozefests.

Ya the heavyweight division has been a joke for over 10 years now. Every round is the same crap with neither fighter willing to throw a punch.

magma69

This would be David Haye's new home.

nacho libre

A more intriguing question would be how long a prime Vitali would last against him.