BMW X1, Peugeot 3008 or Nissan Qashqui

cozzie55

This is my first thread so please be patient.

My mother will be upgrading her 07 avensis in the coming months. She is a disabled driver and is looking for a small SUV with a high seating position to ease getting in and out of the car

I am looking at either something along the lines of a Nissan Qashqui, Peugeot 3008 or BMW X1. At the moment I think the BMW has the winning of it, followed by the Peugeot.

Anyone with any thoughts on any other cars which might suit or the best of the three above? We don't want an especially big 4X4 either and would prefer a 2l Diesel (Rav4 is out cause that diesel is 2.2l. And don't really want the 2l petrol), The budget is 32K but lower is better.


Also anyone know if it is easy and advisable in terms of resale to adapt a car so that it becomes an auto with the flick of a switch, something like a VW DSG gearbox. I know it can be done but would be worried about removing it when selling the car afterwards.

Swampy

I've been in the 3008 with the 1.6 diesel engine. Great car. Very roomy and suprisingly loads of poke out of the engine.

Drummerboy08

Out of those three, the BMW is much more expensive. A 2.0DCi SVE Qashqai could be bought, converted and still probably have change from the price of the BMW. Likewise with the Peugeot.

In terms of resale, the Qashqai will probably be the one which holds its value the most. The BMW will hold a certain value, but you will lose more money on it compared to the Nissan. The Puegeot will be the worst of the 3 IMO.

I'd also be looking at the Ford Kuga. Also, IIRC there is a new 2.0D4D coming in the Rav4, so that might be worth a look too.

cozzie55

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Out of those three, the BMW is much more expensive. A 2.0DCi SVE Qashqai could be bought, converted and still probably have change from the price of the BMW. Likewise with the Peugeot.

In terms of resale, the Qashqai will probably be the one which holds its value the most. The BMW will hold a certain value, but you will lose more money on it compared to the Nissan. The Puegeot will be the worst of the 3 IMO.

I'd also be looking at the Ford Kuga. Also, IIRC there is a new 2.0D4D coming in the Rav4, so that might be worth a look too.

Don't know i think the qashqai is the worst in terms of looks at the least badge appeal. Plus there is loads of them on the road. The Peugeot has a good engine but we have a 407 at the moment at it is plagued by problems electrical and mechanical. I know people are saying that these have been sorted out in the 3008 but i would still be wary of going towards the brand cause of it. The BMW should be a solid performer with a 2l engine and plenty BHP for what we need and hold a good bit of value but then there is the price.

I should have pointed out my mother is entitled to claim back VRT and VAT on the car. For a qashqai the allowance isn't as big as for the BMW. It would look like we'd be paying €10k for the BMW and €4k for the qashqai approx. So its only €4k of a difference and you have a BMW instead of a Nissan. Plus the adaption would be free of charge under the Disabled drivers scheme.

The Kuga is a good looker and not many on the road but would think the resale wouldn't be great cause it has been out a few years now. Didn't hear anything about a 2l D4d Rav4 mite be an option but it would have to be here before January.

Drummerboy08

Ok, that changes things a bit.
In terms of resale, the Kuga wont be any worse than the Qashqai - both are around since 2007.

The one thing I will say is that the BMW is small inside, so make sure to test drive it well before you buy. The Qashqai would be a little bigger.

In the end it all comes down to personal choice - 4k is a lot of wedge for a lot of people.

Redderneck

Another worth a look would be the new Hyundai ix35. Looks a heck of a lot like a Kuga, but I'd imagine comes in a few grand cheaper. I'd imagine they'd all suffer on resale values by comparison with the BMW though.

I think I remember reading that the Skoda Yeti 1.2Tsi is available with the DSG gearshift too...

Drummerboy08

Yeah, a 2.0TDi Yeti with DSG might not be a bad shout if space isnt too much of a concern. And the IX35 for that matter. Should be cheaper than all of the above suggestions too

Poulgorm

I could not drive a Yeti. Too ugly

cozzie55

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Ok, that changes things a bit.
In terms of resale, the Kuga wont be any worse than the Qashqai - both are around since 2007.

The one thing I will say is that the BMW is small inside, so make sure to test drive it well before you buy. The Qashqai would be a little bigger.

In the end it all comes down to personal choice - 4k is a lot of wedge for a lot of people.

Will definately be test driving a few of them so no fear of that. Really only need the front seats to be roomy enough for 6 foot tall people, for the few times she carries the rest of the family at this stage I think we'll survive the conditions. Even though we are 6 foot plus
€4k isn't too bad cause it'll be my mothers last car before she retires and wants something nice that she won't make a loss on when she trades it in, in two years time.

Don't like the look of the yeti it looks a bit too much like a van. And that split grill on the hyundai ain't nice either.

cozzie55

cozzie55 wrote: »

Will definately be test driving a few of them so no fear of that. Really only need the front seats to be roomy enough for 6 foot tall people, for the few times she carries the rest of the family at this stage I think we'll survive the conditions. Even though we are 6 foot plus
€4k isn't too bad cause it'll be my mothers last car before she retires and wants something nice that she won't make a loss on when she trades it in, in two years time.

Don't like the look of the yeti it looks a bit too much like a van. And that split grill on the hyundai ain't nice either.

actually the difference in price will only be about €2k between the two(qashqui and X1)

colm_mcm

watch the allowances, VRT and VAT reclaim can't exceed E9525 for a driver thats including the VAT on the conversion.
Also engine has to be under 2000cc

cozzie55

colm_mcm wrote: »

watch the allowances, VRT and VAT reclaim can't exceed E9525 for a driver thats including the VAT on the conversion.
Also engine has to be under 2000cc

As far as i'm aware of its any greater than €9525 then you pay the balance. Most cars wouldn't be an option if you couldn't buy one where the VAT and VRT exceed 9525.

Wasn't aware of the VAT on conversion bit. Not too worried though the conversions aren't that expensive. Hand control already installed in the car we have so they only get switched onto your new car if you want them. Not sure of the price of Auto gear box adaption though.

pburns

cozzie55 wrote: »

...would prefer a 2l Diesel (Rav4 is out cause that diesel is 2.2l. And don't really want the 2l petrol), The budget is 32K but lower is better.

Engine size makes bugger all difference these days, it's all about the CO2 level (unless it still effects disability driving tax breaks). What about a Subaru Forester?
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201024198430935

R.O.R

Does the vehicle need to be an automatic?

You mention an Automatic conversion, but unless there are some real genius's out there - I'm pretty sure that is either impossible or seriously expensive.

If it does need to be an Auto then that narrows the choices as I don't think there is an option for that on the Qashqai.

Think the VW Tiguan is available as a DSG and there should be the auto option on the X1. Adding Auto usually adds a lot to the cost because it ups the CO2 emissions taking the car in to the next VRT category. The BMW and VW auto options don't add too much to the CO2 emissions.

Stevie Dakota

This months Car magazine has a pretty damning long term report on the X1. Lots to dislike it seems.

Antrim_Man

The new Kia Sportage looks like it will be a cracker. I like these type of cars but have been put off by the boot space but I've read the Sportage will have over 600 litres in the boot :eek:



http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/252433/kia_sportage_20_crdi.html

cozzie55

R.O.R wrote: »

Does the vehicle need to be an automatic?

You mention an Automatic conversion, but unless there are some real genius's out there - I'm pretty sure that is either impossible or seriously expensive.

If it does need to be an Auto then that narrows the choices as I don't think there is an option for that on the Qashqai.

Think the VW Tiguan is available as a DSG and there should be the auto option on the X1. Adding Auto usually adds a lot to the cost because it ups the CO2 emissions taking the car in to the next VRT category. The BMW and VW auto options don't add too much to the CO2 emissions.

No it is definitely possible to do cause we were considering having it done to our last avensis. Basically you flick a tiny switch under the steering wheel and then the clutch engages and remains that way while you drive and I presume a computer takes over to change gears. Not a hundred percent sure what happens to be honest but definitely possible. Only reason I want this adaption is that my mother wants an auto but don't think we could afford an auto X1(€38000) and it would be pointless in terms of resale having an auto 3008 or Qashqui. Plus the adaption is free:D and allows the rest of the family drive the car as a manual if we want too. Tiguan worth a look so i suppose.

cozzie55

Antrim_Man wrote: »

The new Kia Sportage looks like it will be a cracker. I like these type of cars but have been put off by the boot space but I've read the Sportage will have over 600 litres in the boot :eek:



http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/252433/kia_sportage_20_crdi.html

I don't know to be honest. think beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Think it looks a bit weird. Mite grow on me though.

af_thefragile

You could save monet and get a Skoda Roomster!!!

Who wouldn't want a car that's called Roomster!

cozzie55

af_thefragile wrote: »

You could save monet and get a Skoda Roomster!!!

Who wouldn't want a car that's called Roomster!

it mite be called a roomster but that is one of the most van like looking cars ever, after a renault kangoo that is. I know i said previously it'll be her last car before retirement, but she ain't planning on spending her days as a flower delivery person or anything:D

bijapos

Cozzie: My father has some disability issues after a stroke and ended out with a Golf Plus. Seats are the perfect height for him getting in and out as is the roofline at the front door. OK, his choice was limited as he only buys VW and this was 2006 but he is very happy with it.

Either way take your mother around to car showrooms and have her get in and out of various cars, see how she feels. Another thing to test is the doors, some can be very heavy for older people to close.

Best of luck.

cozzie55

bijapos wrote: »

Cozzie: My father has some disability issues after a stroke and ended out with a Golf Plus. Seats are the perfect height for him getting in and out as is the roofline at the front door. OK, his choice was limited as he only buys VW and this was 2006 but he is very happy with it.

Either way take your mother around to car showrooms and have her get in and out of various cars, see how she feels. Another thing to test is the doors, some can be very heavy for older people to close.

Best of luck.

thanks man
Hav had the same problem up till now as my mother will only buy toyota cause its the local garage, she wants a higher car but the Rav4 (urban cruiser and verso a definite no no) is out so we have to move away from the brand thank god. Mite get something with a bit of soul and passion in it now.

I'm hearing a lot about the golf don't know if she would go for a hatch back but it seams to definitely be worth a look.

I know the doors can be an issue so i'll be checking them.

My mother ain't the most enthusiastic person when it comes to cars so dragging her around to car showrooms wouldn't be the best idea.
I'm trying to narrow down the options first to 4 or 5 cars then take her to see them.

RedorDead

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

This months Car magazine has a pretty damning long term report on the X1. Lots to dislike it seems.

Never driven one but have have sat in one and had a good look at the interior - very poor cheap plastics and build quality doesnt seem upto usual BMW standards. It looks awful from the outside too.

cozzie55

RedorDead wrote: »

Never driven one but have have sat in one and had a good look at the interior - very poor cheap plastics and build quality doesnt seem upto usual BMW standards. It looks awful from the outside too.

I haven't been in an X1 yet but i presumed most of the interior would share similarities with a 1 series??? I kind of guessed the interior would be a bit cheap considering it is one of the cheapest BMW's, I presume if you go for a higher spec level things would improve.

I don't think it looks too bad from the outside. The front end is a bit too stretched alright. Think if we are getting it I would get it in metallic black I think it looks better and hides the black bumpers.

Drummerboy08

I think there's a guy who frequents here who has an X1. Cant remember who he is though. Might be worth asking him about it if you can find out who he is!

Drummerboy08

R.O.R wrote: »

If it does need to be an Auto then that narrows the choices as I don't think there is an option for that on the Qashqai.

I'm fairly sure there is - i think the emmisions go through the roof though

alexmcred

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

I think there's a guy who frequents here who has an X1. Cant remember who he is though. Might be worth asking him about it if you can find out who he is!

That would be me have to say really like my x1, looked at what was said in the car review and can't really comment as I don't have auto wipers or auto lights just leave them switched on all the time.

Interior wise it's a lot nicer place to be than my golf was and even though its the 118d I have I think there is pleanty of power in it, at least it hasn't let me down yet.

The car is misery on fuel am getting 45mpg with mainly town driving.

Any other questions please feel free to ask.

cozzie55

alexmcred wrote: »

That would be me have to say really like my x1, looked at what was said in the car review and can't really comment as I don't have auto wipers or auto lights just leave them switched on all the time.

Interior wise it's a lot nicer place to be than my golf was and even though its the 118d I have I think there is pleanty of power in it, at least it hasn't let me down yet.

The car is misery on fuel am getting 45mpg with mainly town driving.

Any other questions please feel free to ask.

is it big enough to fit adults(6 foot at least) in the front???

Did you test drive anything similar when you were going buying it, that you liked???

RandomAccess

Really like the look of the Ford Kuga, it is available in the uk with the powershift transmission which is fords version of DSG.

However I didn't see it on the ford ireland website, but it still might be worth asking if it is available.

The only disadvantage I can see is that powershift and autos in general tend to send the co2 rating into the upper brackets which could mean higher road tax. Is road tax an issue? Or is there some form of allowance made?

cozzie55

RandomAccess wrote: »

Really like the look of the Ford Kuga, it is available in the uk with the powershift transmission which is fords version of DSG.

However I didn't see it on the ford ireland website, but it still might be worth asking if it is available.

The only disadvantage I can see is that powershift and autos in general tend to send the co2 rating into the upper brackets which could mean higher road tax. Is road tax an issue? Or is there some form of allowance made?

Road tax isn't an issue cause the disabled drivers get a road tax exemption. Ford kuga is now on my list to test drive. Will ask about powershift transmission though.

Drummerboy08

I'm fairly sure there is an option for Powershift in the Kuga, but I'd imagine its a 8-12 week order for one.

Ford were offering free Powershift upgrades from manual trans on the Mondeo and Galaxy recently, so you might get a good deal on one.

alexmcred

cozzie55 wrote: »

is it big enough to fit adults(6 foot at least) in the front???

Did you test drive anything similar when you were going buying it, that you liked???

I think it's fine size wise there's still room in the back with tall people in the front. I test drove the Kuga and Tiguan but just thought the BMW looked better and was better value. The back seats are actually set fairly far back on it so there is plenty of room for four adults or three kids in it.

Car wise I looked at a 09 m-sport 3 was around the same price as the x1 but with the x1 being the new model I went with that.

Looked at the GTD Golf and loved it but with the experience I had with my last golf I didn't want to the the risk.

I was also very close to getting an elite Astra but again the deal I was able to get on the x1 was much better.

There also seems to be a fairly long waiting period for a new x1 now.

If it's for your mam and you could get away with four seats the Mini Countryman may be another one to look at.
I reckon you should also look at the Saab 93-x although it may be out of your budget.

Drummerboy08

Actually, I know its as old as the hills, but you might get a good deal on an Opel Antara too. Big money off em at the minute. Whether there are any available or not is another thing.

veetwin

I'd have to agree with most of the comments on the X1. I sat into one the other day and was amazed with how little space there is inside. I had the seat all the way back and I could have done with more room. Also I'd hate to be the one sitting behind me! There is even less space in the back.

My father has the 3008 and I like it alot. Plently of space and nice to drive. Nice bit of poke for a 1.6D also and the interior is lovely. Unfortunately it's pig ugly but that may not be an issue for the OP.

Of all those mentioned I'd have the Kuga with the powershift transmission.

R.O.R

New C-Max is due for release in November in both 5 and 7 (Grand C-Max) seat versions.

Available with the Powershift Gearbox with the 2.0Tdci 115ps engine. Pricing (ex. works) for the Activ is €28,345, €30,245 for the Titanium. Band C for tax (€302)

Might be worth a look. Not sure about the styling myself - looks a bit like a bloated Fiesta from the photo's I've seen.

Kuga is currently only listed as 4wd with the Powershift, and that puts it in to the €630 a year to tax bracket. While the OP doesn't have to worry about the tax, it's going to be a factor come sale time.

I'd say a 2wd Kuga Powershift in the €302 bracket would be a decent proposition.

cozzie55

Thanks for all the advice people

The test drive list is as follows

BMW X1 (sdrive18d €33,300)
Peogout 3008 (1.6l diesel SV €29,300)
Ford Kuga (2.0TDCI powershift, Zetec, most expensive though €35k)
VW Tiguan (2.0 TDI SPT €31,500)
Toyota Rav4 (provided 2l diesel is on the way)

Now just have to drag the mother to the garages to view them

Stevie Dakota

cozzie55 wrote: »

Now just have to drag the mother to the garages to view them

Why not drive to Belfast to browse? Odds are you could see them all on the Boucher rd rather than driving all over the place here. Was up their recently and it was great to have every car dealership within minutes of each other.

Ford, VW and BMW at one end all a short walk apart, Peugeot and Toyota the other end.

cozzie55

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

Why not drive to Belfast to browse? Odds are you could see them all on the Boucher rd rather than driving all over the place here. Was up their recently and it was great to have every car dealership within minutes of each other.

Ford, VW and BMW at one end all a short walk apart, Peugeot and Toyota the other end.

its hard enough to get her to drive 10 mins to limerick without telling her we are going for a 4 hour drive to belfast to see cars.:D