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6XC As a Viable Hunting Round

  • 24-08-2010 7:42am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭


    6XC as a Varmint Round/Deer Round
    http://www.norma.cc/sortimentjakt.asp?Kaliber=46&Lang=2&Kalibernamn=6XC

    It's above Deer Hunting requirement @ between 1800-1900 ft/lbs in 95 or 100 grain.

    In a 24" barrel would it be a nice viable varminter? I'd like to use it with a moderator on board

    I'm toying with the idea of Rebarrelling my Remington VSSF II in 6XC.
    In a nice Kreiger or Trueflite barrel, Stainless of course.;)
    With a Ballistic coefficient of .379 @95 grains it must be good Power to weight ratio

    The reason a rebarrel, well, I can't afford another rifle & scope.
    And The VSSF II is a great building block of an action to start with.

    Anybody here use 6XC Hunting/Varminting? Is ammo relatively easy source in Ballistic Tipped rounds of course :) Or do I have to go North every few months for re-supply?

    And before you say it.
    Yes I am probably mad, and need my head examined.
    I just would like a project for those dark winter months ahead.
    And if all I need was a barrel and some light machining then happy days.

    So question
    Who here has a 6XC?
    What is it like to shoot?
    what barrel & Twist are you using?
    Assuming 90% of owners of 6XC's are Target shooters, anybody use it Hunting yet?

    (FYI, I have a .308 as a Full time Stalking Rifle, I just want a little more versatility than my .223 offers me for Varminting and possibly some light stalking. I do not want another 7mm Calibre or bigger)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭tomcat220t


    I got a 6XC build over the last few weeks and should ready for some testing this weekend .1/8 twist seems to be the best for the 90gr+ rounds .If its as accurate as suggested to me ,it will make a great long range varmint setup .I intend to use it as a deer caliber ,too.I think there are 3-4 other users of this caliber in ireland .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    tomcat220t wrote: »
    I got a 6XC build over the last few weeks and should ready for some testing this weekend .1/8 twist seems to be the best for the 90gr+ rounds .If its as accurate as suggested to me ,it will make a great long range varmint setup .I intend to use it as a deer caliber ,too.I think there are 3-4 other users of this caliber in ireland .

    Let us know how it goes at the weekend would ya TC. I have a friend who's interested in that calibre and I know it'd interest him to see the results.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,393 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    How much is the ammo for this calibre.

    Sounds exotic and expensive and then as we are an island where everything is imported and 21% VAT, I'm cringing thinking what we might be charged for stuff like this


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    tomcat220t wrote: »
    I got a 6XC build over the last few weeks and should ready for some testing this weekend .1/8 twist seems to be the best for the 90gr+ rounds .If its as accurate as suggested to me ,it will make a great long range varmint setup .I intend to use it as a deer caliber ,too.I think there are 3-4 other users of this caliber in ireland .

    I might have to go further a field for experience of the round then though.

    With a 200 yard zero where s she at 100 250, 300, 350, 400, 450, 500, 550 etc.

    She is similar to the .22-250 and .243 but that is all I know in regards performance.

    What does one put down on licence application etc? 6mm? 6XC?
    Since our locals talk about a 6.5X5.5!!

    And what is the story on Ammo prices?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    The ammo is Norma, so it's not going to be cheap. Expect probably anything from about €35-42 depending on the load and how much the dealer wants to charge you. It's a flatter shooter than a lot of smaller 6mm cartridges, but it's still a small case. Expect it to be about the same as a .243. It derives from the 6mm International, which was effectively a necked up .22-250, so that's the case size. It's got a great reputation for accuracy. I believe the Swedes are using it as their cartridge for prone shooting these days.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭tomcat220t


    Vegeta wrote: »
    How much is the ammo for this calibre.

    Sounds exotic and expensive and then as we are an island where everything is imported and 21% VAT, I'm cringing thinking what we might be charged for stuff like this
    My local gun dealer got me in 400 rounds at 90 euros a box.They came in boxes of 50 !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    tomcat220t wrote: »
    My local gun dealer got me in 400 rounds at 90 euros a box.They came in boxes of 50 !

    That'll be the Norma Diamondline stuff. Very, very good ammo. Not a bad price at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭tomcat220t


    I might have to go further a field for experience of the round then though.

    With a 200 yard zero where s she at 100 250, 300, 350, 400, 450, 500, 550 etc.

    She is similar to the .22-250 and .243 but that is all I know in regards performance.

    What does one put down on licence application etc? 6mm? 6XC?
    Since our locals talk about a 6.5X5.5!!

    And what is the story on Ammo prices?
    Its ment to be very simular to the 6x47 .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭4gun


    thought I stick this up for you, although I'd guess you hav already seen it

    http://www.6mmbr.com/6XC.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    tomcat220t wrote: »
    My local gun dealer got me in 400 rounds at 90 euros a box.They came in boxes of 50 !

    In laymans terms thats €35 a box of 20 or €180 a 100 rounds; not cheap, but not redic.
    Is that Ballistic tipped stuff TC?

    Thats a serious of amount of ammo you ordered!

    Are you getting it on a new licence or are you trading one in for it?

    What barrel length are you going with?I'd like to keep the rifle the same weight "or less" than it is now, scope rifle bipod = 1stone


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭tomcat220t


    In laymans terms thats €35 a box of 20 or €180 a 100 rounds; not cheap, but not redic.
    Is that Ballistic tipped stuff TC?

    Thats a serious of amount of ammo you ordered!

    Are you getting it on a new licence or are you trading one in for it?

    What barrel length are you going with?I'd like to keep the rifle the same weight "or less" than it is now, scope rifle bipod = 1stone
    Its norma with 105 berger hollow point .Getting it on a new licence .Its built on a remmy short action with a 28" krieger barrel .I gave the rifle builder a few requests when it was ordered .Max weight 10-11 lbs/SUB MOA accuracy at 1000 yards /and under 30 cal.He gave me a price ,timescale,and caliber (6XC)!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    tomcat220t wrote: »
    Its norma with 105 berger hollow point .Getting it on a new licence .Its built on a remmy short action with a 28" krieger barrel .I gave the rifle builder a few requests when it was ordered .Max weight 10-11 lbs/SUB MOA accuracy at 1000 yards /and under 30 cal.He gave me a price ,timescale,and caliber (6XC)!

    I wonder how she would perform in a 24" config

    Hollow point interesting. Are they hunting ammo/ I do notice some match ammo are hollow point, however do they mushroom?

    14lbs with Mod scope and Bipod on would be my ideal or lighter if possible!
    I'd be vry happy MOA @1000 :D

    Eventually I might trade the NF 8-32 for a 12-42 NXS version.

    T'would be nice to join the 1000 yard club, or even 1200 GOSH lol

    I'd be very happy having the ultimate varminter though.
    TBH my 26" Remmy with another 4-5" of a mod on can get awkward going through ditches.
    A 24" would be my ideal max length with a Mod used.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    What trigger and stock are you going to have in her TC? Sounds like you're going to have a serious rig when she's done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭tomcat220t


    I wonder how she would perform in a 24" config

    Hollow point interesting. Are they hunting ammo/ I do notice some match ammo are hollow point, however do they mushroom?

    14lbs with Mod scope and Bipod on would be my ideal or lighter if possible!
    I'd be vry happy MOA @1000 :D

    Eventually I might trade the NF 8-32 for a 12-42 NXS version.

    T'would be nice to join the 1000 yard club, or even 1200 GOSH lol

    I'd be very happy having the ultimate varminter though.
    TBH my 26" Remmy with another 4-5" of a mod on can get awkward going through ditches.
    A 24" would be my ideal max length with a Mod used.
    Id say a 24" would work fine ,perhaps a little down on M/V over a longer barrel .I will setup a thread as soon as its tested .Can show her groups and plenty of pictures of it been built .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭tomcat220t


    johngalway wrote: »
    What trigger and stock are you going to have in her TC? Sounds like you're going to have a serious rig when she's done.
    Timney 1/2 lb trigger and laminated tombhole bedded stock.After all it a field setup and not for target .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭customrifle


    The 6xc is a great round. Mine is one hole group at 300 yards and at 600 shes one in beside the other. Using 115gr dtubb heads. Rifle is remy action, aics stock, 30" krieger 1/8 twist and timney tactical trigger set at 2oz. Built by Fergal White. My only complaint is lack of time to shoot it:( Have weeks hols coming up plan on some serious trigger time :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    The 6xc is a great round. Mine is one hole group at 300 yards and at 600 shes one in beside the other. Using 115gr dtubb heads. Rifle is remy action, aics stock, 30" krieger 1/8 twist and timney tactical trigger set at 2oz. Built by Fergal White. My only complaint is lack of time to shoot it:( Have weeks hols coming up plan on some serious trigger time :D

    115grain, Are they Hunting ammo?
    I want to go 24 or 26". Not a superheavy barrel though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Rifle is remy action, aics stock,

    Delighted to hear that bit, my mate loves the AICS stock, but wanted a custom action. I don't reckon he needs one, a Rem action would do the job for him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭customrifle


    The 115gr are a target hpbt round tack Id say they would be very hard hitting for deer. If i wanted a 6xc in a varmint rig id use the 87gr hornady v max they have a high bc and would be relativily flat shooting. Ud prob have good success with a 1/10 barrel if you were going to be finishing it at 24"-26".
    The remy is a great action alright John,a good barrel fitted by a good gunsmith and they will flat out shoot. Most of the custom actions have a remy footprint so that must say something


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    The 115gr are a target hpbt round tack Id say they would be very hard hitting for deer. If i wanted a 6xc in a varmint rig id use the 87gr hornady v max they have a high bc and would be relativily flat shooting. Ud prob have good success with a 1/10 barrel if you were going to be finishing it at 24"-26".
    The remy is a great action alright John,a good barrel fitted by a good gunsmith and they will flat out shoot. Most of the custom actions have a remy footprint so that must say something

    Would I not be better with a faster twist in a shorter barrel though ?? 1/8 or 1/9?

    87g Flat shooting sounds good to me, especially with good BC abilities.

    87grain Ballistic tipped would be screamers alright
    Very good for varminting.
    What is the energy of them in ft/lbs?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭badshot


    great thread tack


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭customrifle


    A 1/9 twist would def cover you in a 24" barrel for the 87gr v max might even get you up asfar as the 105gr vld. And 24" barrel should still be able perform well out to 600. Its great round you wont be disappointed plus it very mild recoil-wise i was able to stay on target after shot at 5 and 600 and watch strikes on little bits of clay on bank.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    A 1/9 twist would def cover you in a 24" barrel for the 87gr v max might even get you up asfar as the 105gr vld. And 24" barrel should still be able perform well out to 600. Its great round you wont be disappointed plus it very mild recoil-wise i was able to stay on target after shot at 5 and 600 and watch strikes on little bits of clay on bank.

    I'm sorely tempted to try it out.
    I was going to rebarrel my .223 with a Match barrel, but why not rev her up a bit whilst I am at it.

    The 6XC gets Rave reviews.
    If my local Fo is happy for a straight swap for my .223 I'd say it could happen fairly soon.

    These Auld dark evenings one has to be tinkering at something, and Feck all bunnies during teh winter :D

    T'would be great to have a long range varminter and a tough as boots stalking rifle too yet both ample if Bambie reared her pretty head ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭tomcat220t


    I'm sorely tempted to try it out.
    I was going to rebarrel my .223 with a Match barrel, but why not rev her up a bit whilst I am at it.

    The 6XC gets Rave reviews.
    If my local Fo is happy for a straight swap for my .223 I'd say it could happen fairly soon.

    These Auld dark evenings one has to be tinkering at something, and Feck all bunnies during teh winter :D

    T'would be great to have a long range varminter and a tough as boots stalking rifle too yet both ample if Bambie reared her pretty head ;)
    Even as a long range bunny basher or foxer i think the 105-115 gr vld would work out best ,imo.If you were thinking of the lighter rounds a quality factory .243 ,maybe! .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    It's a really obvious point, but don't forget that you'll need either a new bolt or to have the bolt face opened for the larger cartridge. Not sure how much meat is in a Remington bolt face, but it should be possible.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    It's a really obvious point, but don't forget that you'll need either a new bolt or to have the bolt face opened for the larger cartridge. Not sure how much meat is in a Remington bolt face, but it should be possible.

    Well IWM, I had already discussed this point with my local custom rifle builder, so that is not the issue.

    Every 6XC he has chambered to date have been on a Remington action.

    I'm currently more concerned with twist rate and what the minimum barrel length has to be, 28" seems the max required for powder burn by this round for 1000 yards.
    I personally am more interested in a 600 yard machine.
    That is seriously accurate.
    similar to the accuracy of customriflers rig without the weight, I have held customrifles rig and it is seriously heavy as he has a serious barrel on board, over 1" thick and 30" long

    Way to heavy for a weakling like me :D
    The standard weight of the VSSF II is my current constraint. I do not want heavier as I will be affixing a moderator, bipod and one of the bigest scopes on the market.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    tomcat220t wrote: »
    Even as a long range bunny basher or foxer i think the 105-115 gr vld would work out best ,imo.If you were thinking of the lighter rounds a quality factory .243 ,maybe! .

    You don't have any bullet drop charts for a few different weights?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Well IWM, I had already discussed this point with my local custom rifle builder, so that is not the issue.

    Every 6XC he has chambered to date have been on a Remington action.

    I'm currently more concerned with twist rate and what the minimum barrel length has to be, 28" seems the max required for powder burn by this round for 1000 yards.
    I personally am more interested in a 600 yard machine.
    That is seriously accurate.
    similar to the accuracy of customriflers rig without the weight, I have held customrifles rig and it is seriously heavy as he has a serious barrel on board, over 1" thick and 30" long

    Way to heavy for a weakling like me :D
    The standard weight of the VSSF II is my current constraint. I do not want heavier as I will be affixing a moderator, bipod and one of the bigest scopes on the market.

    They'll be on Remington 700 actions alright, but the bolt will be a standard .308 bolt face (.473") rather than your .223 bolt face, so you'll require work there one way or another. Go with a 1:8" twist and go as long as you can if you want the velocity. I would say 27", and to hell with a mod. It's not going to be that loud.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    They'll be on Remington 700 actions alright, but the bolt will be a standard .308 bolt face (.473") rather than your .223 bolt face, so you'll require work there one way or another. Go with a 1:8" twist and go as long as you can if you want the velocity. I would say 27", and to hell with a mod. It's not going to be that loud.

    Well if one is firing 30 or so shots in fields with animals in or near then yes it will be loud (and I like the moderated rifle)
    In regards the bolt face my local custom rifle builder has already discussed this with me.

    26"barrel is my max, I would prefer 24" as I am not interested in 1000 yards in the field (i'm far to blind to see a bunny @1000yards and hit him accurately)

    I still have more research to do on Hunting ammo in the calibre, as very little info on it in comparison to other cals

    boards member customrifles 6XC is seriously accurate.
    If I get pretty damn close to his levels of accuracy I will be happy:D
    I like fluting too, even though many target shooters could bot be bothered with it.
    Makes a rifle look really well IMvHO and slightly lighter barrels


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    Has anyone out there licensed 2 barrels for the one rifle by the way?
    For all the world like a SAKO Quad
    I may do this for my .223 and licence a 6XC barrel and Bolt and use same action.

    it would save buying another scope and mounts.
    Just a notebook and pen to record clicks :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭tfox


    As far as I know you can only have multiple barrels in the same calibre, if its a different calibre it's seen as a different firearm :rolleyes: Makes the SAKO quad seem ridiculous with our laws......?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    tfox wrote: »
    As far as I know you can only have multiple barrels in the same calibre, if its a different calibre it's seen as a different firearm :rolleyes: Makes the SAKO quad seem ridiculous with our laws......?

    TBH, I kinda know that is not 100% true.
    However as I do not know the individual who has done it I can't comment with certainty.

    I'd be using the same housing, different barrels, and I'd have 2 bolts.

    So If I could unscrew barrel, screw on 6XC barrel dial in scope.
    Unscrew barrel screw on .223 barrel, exchange bolts, dial out scope and off again.

    That is the Theory


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭patsat


    TBH, I kinda know that is not 100% true.
    However as I do not know the individual who has done it I can't comment with certainty.

    I'd be using the same housing, different barrels, and I'd have 2 bolts.

    So If I could unscrew barrel, screw on 6XC barrel dial in scope.
    Unscrew barrel screw on .223 barrel, exchange bolts, dial out scope and off again.

    That is the Theory

    I reckon you would be left with nothing only a pain in your head! Wouldn't everytime you change the barrel cause a change in zero?

    Why keep the .223 when you can have a superior and more accurate round?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    patsat wrote: »
    I reckon you would be left with nothing only a pain in your head! Wouldn't everytime you change the barrel cause a change in zero?

    Why keep the .223 when you can have a superior and more accurate round?

    Pat, if the scope does not move the Zero holds true.
    The Nightforce scope is very easy to adjust as its adj is external.

    It would also be nice to have a cheaper round to fire if ammo was scarce or just more options in general.

    AFAIK a guy has a .308 7mm-08 and 6XC on same licence for different disciplines.

    Very easy change barrels and scope stays on action so if zero'd for 2 diff rounds not a big job adjust elevation dial


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Pat, if the scope does not move the Zero holds true.
    The Nightforce scope is very easy to adjust as its adj is external.

    It would also be nice to have a cheaper round to fire if ammo was scarce or just more options in general.

    AFAIK a guy has a .308 7mm-08 and 6XC on same licence for different disciplines.

    Very easy change barrels and scope stays on action so if zero'd for 2 diff rounds not a big job adjust elevation dial

    You're going to require a licence for each individual calibre to buy ammo for it. You're also going to require a barrel wrench and an action vice and a set of go/no-go gauges for each barrel and bolt setup. The Remmy's not exactly a dedicated switch-barrel system, so the facility is going to be a pain in the hole. I'd love something similar for my Sako, but it's not practical.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    You're going to require a licence for each individual calibre to buy ammo for it. You're also going to require a barrel wrench and an action vice and a set of go/no-go gauges for each barrel and bolt setup. The Remmy's not exactly a dedicated switch-barrel system, so the facility is going to be a pain in the hole. I'd love something similar for my Sako, but it's not practical.

    Barrel wrench I can get, gauges too.

    I have heard a certain guy has several barrels on an AICS system. However I do not know the chap to ask specific questions.

    I was chatting with my builder and he reckons it's handy enough.
    most of the builds he does are on Remington actions.
    One of my mates is supposed to be buying my .223 barrel, but has not shown the green stuff yet so I was considering keeping it.

    a separate licence for a barrel AFAIK SHOULD not be a big deal in my area, as from a security aspect I still will only at any one time have 1 barrel on it.(or so I have been told) Different jurisdictions may vary

    €80 for another permit
    a bolt and a 6mm barrel and I'm away AFAIK.
    I have seen several barrels fitted, and the Remington works quite well,only easier action BELIEVE it or not to rebarrel is the Howa!

    If it blows the Budget I'll can it, I'm awaiting a price plan, and I am in no hurry!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    I thought about it, and even if it were only moderately impractical I'd have the switch-barrel, so keep us posted. Frankly, I'd rather hold onto the .25-06 (or a .270) barrel and just get a new bolt made up and a spare .300 win mag barrel if possible. .300 Win is an awful lot of gun for a general purpose rifle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭tfox


    TBH, I kinda know that is not 100% true.
    However as I do not know the individual who has done it I can't comment with certainty.

    I'd be using the same housing, different barrels, and I'd have 2 bolts.

    So If I could unscrew barrel, screw on 6XC barrel dial in scope.
    Unscrew barrel screw on .223 barrel, exchange bolts, dial out scope and off again.

    That is the Theory

    Taken from the Garda website

    SPARE/REPLACEMENT BARREL
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]A spare or replacement barrel for a firearm will not require a separate firearms certificate, provided it is of the same calibre. But if an applicant requires a spare or replacement barrel for a firearm which would result in a change of calibre to the firearm, then a separate firearms certificate will be required and will be subject to the normal €80 fee required for a firearm certificate.
    [/FONT]
    [/FONT]
    http://garda.ie/Documents/User/Commissioners%20Guidelines%20(as%20amended%2022nd%20Oct)%20in%20relation%20to%20Firearms%20Licensing%5B1%5D.pdf


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    I thought about it, and even if it were only moderately impractical I'd have the switch-barrel, so keep us posted. Frankly, I'd rather hold onto the .25-06 (or a .270) barrel and just get a new bolt made up and a spare .300 win mag barrel if possible. .300 Win is an awful lot of gun for a general purpose rifle.

    And hefty on the pocket a Win Mag to fire, even in HPS.

    Why not a .25-06 and a .30-06, same bolt, different barrel.

    Then you could range from varmint to 220grain .30-06 to a 75 grain .25-06.

    Same barrel profiles etc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    tfox wrote: »
    Taken from the Garda website

    SPARE/REPLACEMENT BARREL
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]A spare or replacement barrel for a firearm will not require a separate firearms certificate, provided it is of the same calibre. But if an applicant requires a spare or replacement barrel for a firearm which would result in a change of calibre to the firearm, then a separate firearms certificate will be required and will be subject to the normal €80 fee required for a firearm certificate.
    [/FONT]
    [/FONT]
    http://garda.ie/Documents/User/Commissioners%20Guidelines%20(as%20amended%2022nd%20Oct)%20in%20relation%20to%20Firearms%20Licensing%5B1%5D.pdf

    Thanks for link

    As I said earlier, not a major deal. :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭tfox


    Here to help ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    And hefty on the pocket a Win Mag to fire, even in HPS.

    Why not a .25-06 and a .30-06, same bolt, different barrel.

    Then you could range from varmint to 220grain .30-06 to a 75 grain .25-06.

    Same barrel profiles etc

    Don't really care about the money. The difference on the pocket between .25-06 and .300 win mag is slim enough. I would prefer a .30-06 but it's not France-legal, which is a requirement for me, while .300 win mag is (as long as nobody tells them that the Bundeswehr and the USMC use it as a long-range sniping round anyway). If the Mauser M03 were as accurate (it's as nice to handle, which is saying a huge amount) as my Sako 75, then I would ideally have one in the centrefire cartridges of my choice, but it's not quite as accurate, so unfortunately, there are compromises to be made. A .25-06 and a .300 Win have you covered from foxes to just about any non-dangerous game (and plenty will let you hunt leopard with the latter), so that and a .404 Jeffery in a bolt gun or a .450/400 3" NE in a double is a full centrefire battery for me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    Don't really care about the money. The difference on the pocket between .25-06 and .300 win mag is slim enough. I would prefer a .30-06 but it's not France-legal, which is a requirement for me, while .300 win mag is (as long as nobody tells them that the Bundeswehr and the USMC use it as a long-range sniping round anyway). If the Mauser M03 were as accurate (it's as nice to handle, which is saying a huge amount) as my Sako 75, then I would ideally have one in the centrefire cartridges of my choice, but it's not quite as accurate, so unfortunately, there are compromises to be made. A .25-06 and a .300 Win have you covered from foxes to just about any non-dangerous game (and plenty will let you hunt leopard with the latter), so that and a .404 Jeffery in a bolt gun or a .450/400 3" NE in a double is a full centrefire battery for me.

    The .300 Win mag is a big kicker though
    Just in case you did not know already you can get a custom left hand action for your rifle.
    if you have the spends $900 + VAT & CCT

    http://www.6mmbr.com/actions.html

    Back on to the 6XC :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    The .300 Win mag is a big kicker though
    Just in case you did not know already you can get a custom left hand action for your rifle.
    if you have the spends $900 + VAT & CCT

    http://www.6mmbr.com/actions.html

    Back on to the 6XC :D

    Mine is a left-hand action. Most rifles are offered in left-hand variants and the Sako is as good as any of them, so I'm happy. .300 Win Mag isn't a big kicker. It's stout, but in the scheme of things, it's still a small cartridge. It'll kick about the same amount as a typical 34gram shotgun load. Big shotgun loads can run closer to .375 H&H Mag performance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    I meant leftie actions for a 300 Win mag.

    As for the 6XC

    I want it to be able to do something like this.
    "it's the US, but you'll get the idea"
    So it has to be light enough to carry within reason, and short enough to not be Top heavy. As my current set up is a shade top heavy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭tomcat220t


    The 115gr dtac @3050fps (0@200 yards) 34" drop,1360lbs hitting and 12.95" drift ,with at 10mph cross wind at 500 yards .Hope that helps ,tac.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    tomcat220t wrote: »
    The 115gr dtac @3050fps (0@200 yards) 34" drop,1360lbs hitting and 12.95" drift ,with at 10mph cross wind at 500 yards .Hope that helps ,tac.

    so if i am reading this correct. Target recieves 1360ft/lbs of Energy @500?
    And is 34" low @ 500 from a 200 yard Zero? Which is on a par (Trajectory wise with a .243 58grain BC .250)
    David Tubb’s Superior Shooting Systems currently offers two high-BC bullets, both produced by Sierra Bullets to David’s specifications. The original DTAC is a 115-grainer with a normal match hollowpoint. The second bullet is a 117gr MJPT (Metal Jacket Plastic Tip), with a super-high 0.600 BC, confirmed by actual field tests.

    We’ve just learned that DTAC plans, shortly after SHOT Show, to introduce a new, 110 or 111-grain 6mm bullet. Like the 117 MJPT, this will have a plastic tip. However, it should have a shorter base-to-ogive measurement than the 117-grainer. Hopefully the new bullet will be short enough to work in rifles throated for the 105s and 108s. David Tubb tells us that the bullet will be about .050″ shorter than the 117 and should need .020-.025 less throat. It should look like the 117 in the photo below, but with a shorter bearing surface, and a BC around 0.545:


    just off the phone from Intershoot.
    And after doing a search on ammo I see Currently only Norma chamber itas a round.
    And HPS do not have 6mmXC brass and you have to supply your own brass,
    However that is amazing BC for that Trajectory.

    In a plastic tipped configuration that would be a serious hard hitting round in relation to it's size.

    Hmmmmmm Veeeeeeery Interesting.

    Who supplies your ammo?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    dtac115x350.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭tomcat220t


    so if i am reading this correct. Target recieves 1360ft/lbs of Energy @500?
    And is 34" low @ 500 from a 200 yard Zero? Which is on a par (Trajectory wise with a .243 58grain BC .250)
    David Tubb’s Superior Shooting Systems currently offers two high-BC bullets, both produced by Sierra Bullets to David’s specifications. The original DTAC is a 115-grainer with a normal match hollowpoint. The second bullet is a 117gr MJPT (Metal Jacket Plastic Tip), with a super-high 0.600 BC, confirmed by actual field tests.

    We’ve just learned that DTAC plans, shortly after SHOT Show, to introduce a new, 110 or 111-grain 6mm bullet. Like the 117 MJPT, this will have a plastic tip. However, it should have a shorter base-to-ogive measurement than the 117-grainer. Hopefully the new bullet will be short enough to work in rifles throated for the 105s and 108s. David Tubb tells us that the bullet will be about .050″ shorter than the 117 and should need .020-.025 less throat. It should look like the 117 in the photo below, but with a shorter bearing surface, and a BC around 0.545:


    just off the phone from Intershoot.
    And after doing a search on ammo I see Currently only Norma chamber itas a round.
    And HPS do not have 6mmXC brass and you have to supply your own brass,
    However that is amazing BC for that Trajectory.

    In a plastic tipped configuration that would be a serious hard hitting round in relation to it's size.

    Hmmmmmm Veeeeeeery Interesting.

    Who supplies your ammo?
    John Lambert in Camolin supplied my 6XC ammo .I think for hunting i will be using the berger vld ammo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Think that should be John Lambert ;)


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