English absentee landlords look to claim Irish lands back !!!!

PFL

VILLAGERS are reeling after English-based landlords staked claim to property that the original owners left almost a century ago.

Several locals in Rosses Point, Co Sligo, received a solicitor's letter telling them they had 28 days to hand over property to people they had never met.

The letters come from shareholders of the original owners of the property ground rent, the Middleton Estate, most of whose family departed Ireland up to 90 years ago.

In the 1970s, locals traced Middleton family members across the globe, and reached a deal where many bought their ground rent for sums of around IR£100.

But some did not clinch agreement, leaving uncertainty over the ground on which their homes was built, which is in one of the most valuable locations in the north-west.

Meanwhile, Devon-based vicar, the Reverend Guy Chave-Cox, and his wife Heather, who claims descent from the Middleton family, have been checking land in Rosses Point.

It includes a seaside home where the Yeats brothers, poet WB and painter Jack, holidayed with their Middleton cousins in the now-dilapidated Elsinore Lodge.

The lodge was originally built in the early 19th century by pirate captain John Black.

A number of homeowners received solicitors' letters in July, one of which has been seen by the Irish Independent, with the 28-day notice from shareholders of the Middleton estate.

It claimed the homeowner was "wrongfully in possession" of Middleton Estate property. It threatened proceedings without further notice if the property wasn't surrendered. That means, with the 28-day notice, proceedings against some householders could start today.

Mr Chave-Cox and his wife, on holiday from Barnstaple until September, were in Rosses Point on Saturday.

Mrs Chave-Cox said it was possible several villagers who did not sort out title to their land might have a mistaken belief that they owned their own ground rent.

When asked if legal proceedings were a prospect, Mrs Chave-Cox said: "We are looking to sort out the facts of any situation." She refused to say how many people were approached, adding: "It's none of your business."

Mr Chave-Cox pointed out that he was a vicar.

Honest

"Vicars are honest and clear about things," he said. "All we want is what's right and fair and (to) sort things out. Presumably that means people buying up the ground rent."

One local businessman said: "People are quite concerned where this is all going to lead. I know of one woman who actually cried when she received a letter claiming somebody else owns her property."

Solicitor Joe Carter, who represents a number of people who received legal letters, said the issue was resolved to most people's satisfaction in the 1970s, and it is at least 35 years since anybody paid ground rent.

"Nobody knows who these people are who have arrived on the peninsula. They are trying to lay some claim to the ground rents that were unresolved."

- Anita Guidera

Irish Independent

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/landlords-lay-claim-to-property-at-scenic-spot-2307972.html

I thought this was an April fool. Some Cheek.

squod

Someone should have given them the bill for cutting the grass for the last hundred years, cnuts.

Wolfe Tone

Foook off out of that

Sam Vimes

Isn't there something about if you're left undisturbed on a piece of land for 12 years or more you get squatters rights? Or something like that...

FearDark

Lol, only the English would want land back that they fúcking stole in the first place, the residents should wipe their arses with the letters and return to sender.

Biggins

LOL Thanks OP.
I need a quick laugh.

If they turned up at my door demanding their land back, my first response would be in a good Dublin accent I could muster "Would ya ever fook off!" :pac:

Biggins

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Followed with a few blasts of the shotgun.

No comment.
(I reserve the right not to indite myself by self incrimination for future possible acts)

Sam Vimes

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Followed with a few blasts of the shotgun.

Also this. Preferably with this playing in the background

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KA9QKgcNRM

Go on home British soldiers vicars etc

I'm not nationalist in the slightest but these chancers can GTFO

jimmycrackcorm

They should turn to Pat Kenny for advice. He's an expert in acquiring land from previous owners.

sherdydan

dirty land grabbing proddy b*stards! Tell that vicar to F*ck off and suck the archbishop of canterbury

tony1kenobi

Guy Chave Cox?.......Criminal offence right there.....counter attack.

starbelgrade

PFL wrote: »

the Reverend Guy Chave-Cox,

Guy shave cocks.

CiaranMT

In before thread descends into farce...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBT4ZWy6Lm4

some_dose

I'm speechless. Surely this vicar is just an epic troll. Yeah that must be it. Surely.



Right?


Because if not, he can fcuk right off

starbelgrade

The same thing happened a few years ago in Strandhill in Sligo too - don't think anything came of it though.

Augmerson

In this day and age, with banks turning people out despite the fact that the people OWN the banks, don't be surprised to see the colonists reclaim the land they robbed from us in the first place.

nachoman

Mine the land.

K4t

Cretins. We ran them out once, we can do it again. Oh wait...this is modern Ireland.

Who knows how this will play out. Imagine receiving a letter saying you didn't actually own your house and that you were to vacate it within 28 days. Unbelievable.

DOC09UNAM

I dunno, he makes a great point.

ejmaztec

KeithAFC wrote: »

Nice. For all you know they could be catholics from England? But again, not that it matters to nationalists.:)

As he's a married vicar, I think there's a slight possibility that he's not a Catholic.

Einhard

Whatever about the vicar, the locals were more than a tad irresponsible not to have properly sought the legal title to the lands.

zuroph

but its his land?

rainbowdrop

zuroph wrote: »

but its his land?

He can't have thought much of it, if he didn't bother to claim it for 100 years. Fcuk him and fcuk his wife!!!

starbelgrade

Yeah Reverend - you can have my land. All you gotta do is pay off the mortgage on the negative equity house for the next 30 years.

mikemac

If this goes through sure why not hand back Dublin and Wexford back to Norway and Denmark, the Vikings owned them at one stage after all :rolleyes:

Augmerson wrote: »

In this day and age, with banks turning people out despite the fact that the people OWN the banks, don't be surprised to see the colonists reclaim the land they robbed from us in the first place.

So what? Pay your debts or lose your house. It's always been the way and will continue.
Otherwise I'd buy a house and refuse to pay my mortgage and claim hardship

starbelgrade

feelingstressed wrote: »

If this goes through sure why not hand back Dublin and Wexford back to Norway and Denmark, the Vikings owned them at one stage after all :rolleyes:

They only came because they heard about deee Harp.

Morlar

feelingstressed wrote: »

If this goes through sure why not hand back Dublin and Wexford back to Norway and Denmark, the Vikings owned them at one stage after all :rolleyes:

Berlusconi is eyeying up buckingham palace as we speak.

some_dose

Einhard wrote: »

Maybe all the Irish that have settled in Oz and America over the years should give it back to the native Americans too? It was stolen from them after all...

In all fairness you cannot really compare the settling of the Irish in America and Oz to this. I mean, the guy's family hasn't even lived there for years and then all of a sudden decides he wants "his land" back. I'm not a republican by any stretch of the imagination, but this kind of carry on will only serve to inflame anti-British sentiment in certain areas of our society

kjl

Best of luck to the good reverend, I'm sure his conquest will be victorious. :rolleyes:

But seriously, this is another case of non-news, they will be entitled to keep their land based on squatters rights. This is just more sensationalist journalism.

zenno

FearDark wrote: »

Lol, only the English would want land back that they fúcking stole in the first place, the residents should wipe their arses with the letters and return to sender.

damn right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ojBOKFk8Jk

DOC09UNAM

KeithAFC wrote: »

You hate protestants?

I'm no scientist, but it does look like he hates them.

Einhard

some_dose wrote: »

In all fairness you cannot really compare the settling of the Irish in America and Oz to this. I mean, the guy's family hasn't even lived there for years and then all of a sudden decides he wants "his land" back. I'm not a republican by any stretch of the imagination, but this kind of carry on will only serve to inflame anti-British sentiment in certain areas of our society

I was responding to sherydan's simple minded vitriol more than anything else. The fact remains though, that if he owns the title to the lands, then he can claim them. Might not be fair, but then life is often unfair, and those involved should really have sorted this out long ago.

Guy:Incognito

Augmerson wrote: »

In this day and age, with banks turning people out despite the fact that the people OWN the banks, don't be surprised to see the colonists reclaim the land they robbed from us in the first place.

How did "we" get the land in the first place? Is it just "us" that can stake a claim then everyone else is wrong ?

As k said in another thread on this , if I own a land or property I should be able to leave it and come back at any stage and expect it to be as I left it, not full of people who decide to take it over . Squatters right my ass

padma

i suppose they'll be looking for land back in

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there at it again

Super-Rush

sherdydan wrote: »

Its a vicar, therefor he's a prod you semi-retarded tit

Banned.

FearDark

Angriest thread of the night. lol.

scientific1982

The fcukin cheek of some people. Tell them their family also owns some plots in South Armagh.

Einhard

scientific1982 wrote: »

The fcukin cheek of some people. Tell them their family also owns some plots in South Armagh.

Well fair enough if they have the title deeds to prove it.

I sympathise for the families involved but legal title is legal title, and unless they can claim squatters rights which I'm not sure they can, then there's not much they can do about it.

sassa

PFL wrote: »

(quote)
Mr Chave-Cox pointed out that he was a vicar.

Honest

"Vicars are honest and clear about things," he said. "All we want is what's right and fair and (to) sort things out. Presumably that means people buying up the ground rent."

.

So God told him to do it

zenno

Einhard wrote: »

Maybe all the Irish that have settled in Oz and America over the years should give it back to the native Americans too? It was stolen from them after all...

that comment doesn't make any sense at all.

there is a difference, in entering a different country and forcibly trying to conquer it compared to being given asylum in said country.

jezko

Einhard wrote: »

Well fair enough if they have the title deeds to prove it.

I sympathise for the families involved but legal title is legal title, and unless they can claim squatters rights which I'm not sure they can, then there's not much they can do about it.

Why can't they claim Squatters Rights? some of these people have been on these sites for generations..

As for the Vicar and wife go buy an Irish History book and learn what happened to other absentee Landlords.... lease the same happens to them!!

steddyeddy

Einhard wrote: »

I was responding to sherydan's simple minded vitriol more than anything else. The fact remains though, that if he owns the title to the lands, then he can claim them. Might not be fair, but then life is often unfair, and those involved should really have sorted this out long ago.

Im sure theres documents somewhere in britain that claim ireland belongs to the british and look where that got them.

Mr Cawley

http://www.daft.ie/searchsale.daft?id=475367

Greedy prick

Stinicker

After reading this I took out the deeds to my own land, and amazingly some landlord actually owns the rights to the mineral underneath my own land!!! :eek:

My family received the land from the Irish land commision after the foundation of the Irish state but had been living on the land and paying rent to British landlords for about 100 years before under British rule. If this British guy ever turns up to my doorstep giving me grief about minerals underneath so help me but he will be in big trouble. As for the families in Sligo, they should just ignore him and take no notice of a such a fool.

The English people today are a fine secular liberal race of people, and I have no problems with them, however when a person comes into your country trying to steal your land and property they deserve the full contents of natural justice and whether this guy is a Vicar or a Hindu monk makes no difference he is a knobhead and should not be allowed to stir up such crap. The British lost everything after the Irish defeated them in the War of Independence and people like this guy are only sh!tstirrers.

At the end of the day the land belongs to the Irish people and the strongest law of all is the law of the land, and if anyone tried to ever evict me of my own land especially a British vicar I would simply blow their heads off.

mikemac

€695,000 for a 7.4 acre site.
Instead of farming cattle is the main activity mining gold? :eek:

The greediness knows no bounds.
And nobody is going to pay that price, ever

steddyeddy

jezko wrote: »

Why can't they claim Squatters Rights? some of these people have been on these sites for generations..

As for the Vicar and wife go buy an Irish History book and learn what happened to other absentee Landlords.... lease the same happens to them!!

Forget squatters rights they should just ignore the letter, the vicar seems completly ignorant of what irish history says about people who take our land.

As regards people talking about america and austrailia both these came under british rule if the irish played a part in slaughtering natives then it was over shadowed by how many the british killed.

jezko

Stinicker wrote: »

After reading this I took out the deeds to my own land, and amazingly some landlord actually owns the rights to the mineral underneath my own land!!! :eek:

My family received the land from the Irish land commision after the foundation of the Irish state but had been living on the land and paying rent to British landlords for about 100 years before under British rule. If this British guy ever turns up to my doorstep giving me grief about minerals underneath so help me but he will be in big trouble. As for the families in Sligo, they should just ignore him and take no notice of a such a fool.

The English people today are a fine secular liberal race of people, and I have no problems with them, however when a person comes into your country trying to steal your land and property they deserve the full contents of natural justice and whether this guy is a Vicar or a Hindu monk makes no difference he is a knobhead and should not be allowed to stir up such crap. The British lost everything after the Irish defeated them in the War of Independence and people like this guy are only sh!tstirrers.

At the end of the day the land belongs to the Irish people and the strongest law of all is the law of the land, and if anyone tried to ever evict me of my own land especially a British vicar I would simply blow their heads off.

Amen!

mikemac

Stinicker wrote: »

After reading this I took out the deeds to my own land, and amazingly some landlord actually owns the rights to the mineral underneath my own land!!! :eek:

It's quite common.
I know in our local town a lot of houses are liable for ground rent.
Now it's pretty much a nominal sum. Some pay, most don't.

And if a solicitors letter arrived for every resident there would be war.
This issues needs to be sorted. De Valera stopped paying the land annuities in the 1930's.

And yet this issue is still coming up?
Either pay the landlords off or better still have Míchéal Martin as minister for Foreign Affairs send out an appropriate Fook off letter to claimants. Let the minister earn his money

ChocolateSauce

padma wrote: »

i suppose they'll be looking for land back in

.......
British East Africa
British Guiana - see Guyana
British Honduras - see Belize
British Indian Ocean Territory

there at it again.........

I'm pretty sure Lord Ashcroft already owns Belize.:pac:

Einhard

zenno wrote: »

that comment doesn't make any sense at all.

there is a difference, in entering a different country and forcibly trying to conquer it compared to being given asylum in said country.

It'd be naive in the extreme to think that Irish settlers in the New World did so in in harmony with the indigenous population. The Irish were a major component of the federal armies which massacred Indian tribes, and forced them into reservations.

jezko wrote: »

Why can't they claim Squatters Rights? some of these people have been on these sites for generations..

Yeah but AFAIK the locals may own the houses, but not the land on which they're built. The vicar owns the ground rent and so has a claim to the land, but can't claim the whole property outright which means squatters' rights moot. That's my understanding of it anyway. I may be wrong.

steddyeddy wrote: »

Im sure theres documents somewhere in britain that claim ireland belongs to the british and look where that got them.

I'm not sure what that means exactly. Look, if the man has a legal title to the sites, then their his to do with as he pleases. Unless the locals can claim squatters' rights which I hope they can, but I'm not sure it'll be possible.

zenno

I better leave before i text something here that gets me banned.

if anyone recieved a solicitors letter just burn it and forget about it

or just send them back a copy of this and tell them where to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i-L3YTeJJM