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Planning permission question

  • 23-08-2010 1:36pm
    #1
    Luciddrummer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20 ✭


    Hi all,

    I was just wondering if someone could clear this up for me once and for all.

    Im building a room out my back. 30'x15'. Its going to be a play room.
    No plumbing etc. Slanted roof. No windows just a door.

    It is on the other side of my back garden. Not blocking anyones light or view of anything.

    I did intend on using one of the boundary walls as one of the walls for the room... i dont know if this would be allowed.

    Can someone who knows about this please tell me if i need planning permission please?

    Thank you


Comments

  • #2
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,171 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    yes you do.

    it is only exempt if it complies with these requirements.


  • #3
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,449 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Your proposed 'playroom' will be approx. 9 x 4.5m = 40.5 m.sq., so as sydthebeat says, you need planning permission. No exemption for a stand alone structure of that size (max. allowable is 25 m.sq.).

    Building on the boundary wall is not a planning matter - this needs to be agreed with your neighbour.


  • #4
    Poor Uncle Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Building on the boundary wall is not a planning matter - this needs to be agreed with your neighbour.

    I do know what you mean, but overhanging of a neighbours property is a planning matter and since half the boundry wall is belonging to the neighbour, then technically any construction on a boundry wall can be viewed as not being an exempted development.

    In any event planning permission is required in this case as the floor area of the development is in excess of that allowed for exempted developments.


  • #5
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,449 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    If you look at most planning permissions (for urban areas anyway) it will say something like (actual quote from a South Dublin CC planning permission) 'in the event of encroachment or oversailing of adjoining property, the consent of the adjoining property owner is required'. Dublin City Council, Fingal and DLR CC also have similar wordings on their planning permissions.

    Really the planning authority does not want or need to know as building on boundaries and/or oversailing (i.e. what could be termed 'trespass') is a civil matter between two parties and not a planning matter. Planning is obviously only concerned with 'proper planning and devleopmnet' and not legal matters.


  • #6
    Poor Uncle Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    Yes, I agree that planning should not be about the legalities of the ownership of a piece of ground, but, even the exempted development description element of SI No. 600 of 2001, refers in several places to boundries and distances thereto, ergo, boundries are important from a planning point of view, ergo, building on a boundry can be taken as being a planning matter.


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  • #7
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,449 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »
    but, even the exempted development description element of SI No. 600 of 2001, refers in several places to boundries and distances

    Correct me if I am wrong, but this refers to the placing of windows in walls and the distance of those windows from boundary walls rather than specifically the walls themselves?

    Not looking for a fight or argument BTW! :)

    All I know is that there is nothing stopping you legitimatly carrying an exempt development with exetrnal walls built just inside the existing boundary walls (i.e. 0mm inside the boundary wall), without any windows or indeed the agreement of the party on the other side of the wall, or built on the boundary wall (or replacing the wall itself), with the agreement of the other party.

    I mightn't know too much about septic tanks - I know a lot more about planning! :)


  • #8
    Poor Uncle Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Correct me if I am wrong, but this refers to the placing of windows in walls and the distance of those windows from boundary walls rather than specifically the walls themselves?
    Correct, among other reference to boundries.
    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Not looking for a fight or argument BTW! :)
    I know, I'm just being pedantic...
    DOCARCH wrote: »
    All I know is that there is nothing stopping you legitimatly carrying an exempt development with exetrnal walls built just inside the existing boundary walls (i.e. 0mm inside the boundary wall), without any windows or indeed the agreement of the party on the other side of the wall, or built on the boundary wall (or replacing the wall itself), with the agreement of the other party.
    It's when you build over the boundry (1mm) that the boundry can become a very big issue and a planning matter.
    DOCARCH wrote: »
    I mightn't know too much about septic tanks - I know a lot more about planning! :)
    :confused:


  • #9
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,449 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »
    It's when you build over the boundry (1mm) that the boundry can become a very big issue and a planning matter.

    I can 100% tell you planners or planning departments will not want to know if that happens - they will tell you it's a civil matter, not a planning issue. ;)

    The septic tank bit was with regard to my other thread. :)


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