discussion on what goes where on this board.

DamagedTrax

neuro, as the users of this forum, shouldnt we be allowed to discuss my previous post? locking it was pointless IMO

i moderate elsewhere and its very easy to use your discretion on who is just shilling and who is genuinly looking for advice on a mix.

please dont lock this until a few others have had their say on the matter.

im not looking to argue your decision neuro i just think that theres a big differance between people showcasing their own tracks and engineers looking for advice on their mixing/recording of other peoples music.

i understand you need to keep the board clean but i dont think this should be done at the expense of what this section is for.

if no one replies then obviously im a minority on this and you can delete the fcuk outta this thread

Neurojazz

Keep it simple please - Music gets posted in the 'Lets hear your music'

If you have issues with that you need to open a ticket, appeal with the help desk.

On a serious note, if we let everyone post their music in main forum it would just turn into a mass epeen waving / self-aggrandising which is a big no-no. Your content may be valid, but the Sticky stops people spamming their latest wares in the main forum.

DamagedTrax

but thats my whole point! trackmix wasnt posting his latest "wares" (i really dont imagine mick siting at home writing synth pop for some reason!). it was music by someone else. he wanted advice on the engineering side of things.

surely that (and endless threads about this eq and that compressor) is what this forum is for, no?

i mean, if we were to look at every thread in this way then surely we'd have a sticky for every conceivable subject!

and im not about to go opening a ticket on this. thats way of discussing things is just plain ridiculas and would turn our lovely easy going section into the rules fest that the rest of boards.ie seems to be

Paolo_M

The Andy Sneap forum has a sub forum entitled "rate my tone/mix" or something to that effect. Just a thought.

I've lurked there for a while. It has it fair share of "please tell me how great I am" threads but, for the most part, it seems useful.

Neurojazz

Yep, you could ask for another stickie or even sub forum, open up this issue with the help desk and they would sort something out.

I really can't see this ever happening on this front page with people constantly bumping their own threads to stay at the top - would soon turn into a farce.

That or we lose a stickie and make a new one more on-topic (like losing the you tube stickie for example)

i57dwun4yb1pt8

I agree , we need a rate my tone sub tab

becasue the main forum obviously doesnt allow this discussion
even tho its music production forum


we need to keep the main forum page open for eclectic gear discussions and vaguely homoerotic innuendos

trackmixstudio

Totally agree.
We need a "rate my mix" sub forum.
The "lets hear your music" topic is a mess.
A discussion about somebody's track is impossible to follow due to new songs being put up and diverting the discussion.
At any time there could be 3 or more songs being discussed all overlapping each other.
I put the new track in question on the main forum because I was not saying "listen to my new track" but because the style of music is not what I would normally do and was looking for opinions from guys more used to mixing electro pop stuff.

Neurojazz

By the way, we did try and get sub forums about a year back and told NO. Best to petition the help desk or an SMod for this.

ogy

this is daft

i totally agree with damaged trax

i've got loads of brilliant feedback on projects i've been working on this board. it would be a shame that that would have to stop. posting up work in progress or even finished mixes is a great way to discuss technique etc. Its a lot more reliable too than someone roughly trying to describe problems or desired goals with words. far better to just post up the mix your working on and ask for critique on certain aspects or the whole thing!

the "lets hear music" thread is surely more for "by the way this the band im in, check it out" kind of thing.

MilanPan!c

Just my two cents, certainly not aimed at neuro or any one mod or person.

I personally think that the boards are wildly over-moderated.

I'm not sure if there was a "bad old days" or what, but I'm always finding myself getting frustrated by the moving of threads or the, "this is the wrong place for 'x'" approach to the forums...

I know messy can be bad, but surely putting things in the "wrong place" is a bigger issue for the poster than the readers of the post...

I have also seen this same complaint many, many times in multiple forums, so I know it's not specific to any mod, but instead just, "the way things are".

And that's ok, sure, but maybe, just maybe someone should poll the users of this place and see if they're happy with that approach, because some obviously aren't... at least then, if the majority want the status quo, you can point assholes like me to the poll and say see... we're doing what the majority want now **** off.

IMO IMO IMO

dav nagle

people posting their tracks is shilling whatever way you look at, its been rampant around here lately and i am glad its going to stop to be honest. working with this and that lads cop on. i know its sounds harsh but if i am entitled to my view and its nothing personal and not aimed at anyone it just should stop on the main page and you know it. if not for shilling its for kudos which in itself is a form of shilling so fuk ya all :pac::pac:

GTE

If I understand what happened correctly two people made their own thread looking for advice on a mix and then it was moved into either Lets Hear your music, the sticky on the Music Production board or some other board.

If thats the case then I really dont understand the decision to move the threads as in both locations that it could have been moved to would result in the wrong scope for discussion. Lets hear your music sounds like a place where you show your own bands stuff.

The forum is only 8 pages big so if a bunch of people made their own thread then nothing else would get lost.

If there was one main thread where everyone posted their work in progress then that wouldnt get lost either, especially if we just favourite it.
Additionally if we all made good use of the quote feature then if there was one thread we could understand whats going on.

I have experienced a lot of this stuff in other boards here, Motors is constantly getting stuff about Top gear moved away from it which makes no sense since the talk we could have there would be more Motors then it would be TV.

Is the place a whole over moderated? Some elements are but I dont see bad members around the place at all really.

Personally I wouldnt be happy if I either:
a) Made a thread where I needed some help on a mix to find it moved to a general music thread/board
b) There was a (b), lost it now though.

Just as a final point. If I was to post up some mixes I would be looking for genuine advice on the mix and not to purposely get my ego boosted if for example things went well and I knew I had a decent mix. Secondly, I dont have a band so I would only be showing other peoples work if they didnt mind. There will always be an element of people only posting things for ego boosts but that is what the Lets hear your music page is all about really isnt it? They want advice and get it, then if they did a lot of hard work they want someone to notice.

DamagedTrax

glad you guys agree. dont feel like such an aggro head now

@ dav.. i dont think its shilling at all to ask for opinion. i think i've only ever posted 1 mix on here and trackmix might post one every 2/3 months. thats hardly drumming up business is it?

and theres another thread on the main forum thats gotten to 3/4 pages now which is basically the same thing as mick's but that never got moved.

ogy

people posting their tracks is shilling whatever way you look at, its been rampant around here lately and i am glad its going to stop to be honest. working with this and that lads cop on. i know its sounds harsh but if i am entitled to my view and its nothing personal and not aimed at anyone it just should stop on the main page and you know it. if not for shilling its for kudos which in itself is a form of shilling so fuk ya all

reactionary bull**** to be honest!

theres absolutely nothing wrong with someone going "im working on this tune, any advice on how to get the guitars sounding bigger/kick punching through more/in general anything i'm missing?" or "check this mix out, im really happy with it, i used xyz technique, first time i tried it..."

open ended questions in threads are great, alot of the time people post up interesting stuff with no particular direct question invovled and it gets slammed with responses like "so?/and?/what do you want us to do?"
can be quite frustrating.

for me that kind of stuff should be the meat and potatoes of the board to be honest, what else is there?

DamagedTrax

ogy wrote: »

for me that kind of stuff should be the meat and potatoes of the board to be honest, what else is there?

exactly my point. i'd rather sit here reading thru page after page of advice based on peoples actual projects than have to read thread after thread of opinions based around theory.

this is a production forum, not a theory forum.

GIVE US BACK OUR MUSIC :D:D:D:D

i57dwun4yb1pt8

well, shill not guilty
- im an ammie in bedroom .

I got drawn into an arrangement discussion on my one ,
and I only intended to post it for a mix tone discussion

my room is a tiny home studio and I wished for feedback on the low end / midrange / and high end
( mainly cos my ears are damaged in the high end )

I value the audio experience of the main regulars as try to learn this stuff.
not looking for a free course in engineering , no one is going to use me as an engineer .

it would greatley allow me to evaluate how the studio is translating ,
its not abbey road so I cant see it as being a problem to anyone .

ive posted very very little music here for this reason in the first place ,
i am not aiming to be an engineer / producer - I just want to check the sound is ok for
the music im working towards.
im also not looking for an engineering ego boost and I dont consider my self the future of rock n roll music wise .

I think we really need a sub forum for mix / tone dicussion .

ogy

I think we really need a sub forum for mix / tone dicussion

why bother with a sub forum, the board is quiet enough as it is?
everyone can spot someone who's just pushing their band or whatever a mile off, surely discretion can be used!

Neurojazz

Again, go and post this to the help forum - your ignoring the facts that people do shill and will keep bumping their threads up - it will end up a mess.

Read the rules, and think about other peoples actions (where they will just post any crap up, and not be thoughtful etc...)

It's been running like this for ... how many years now?

Ask for sub forum, deal with it etc...

From this point onwards you need to goto the help thread en-masse if you feel you can't manage to use the PM feature or stop linking your music and asking for PM to used on your posts (so then you are in the clear)

This will be locked... people carrying this on can have a 3 day holiday until you go through the right channels to get boards working the way you want it.