Irish Death certificates pre 1924

Aglomerado

Hi folks,
I'm wondering where (if possible) I can get a copy of a pre-1924 death certificate? A great-uncle died in 1908 at age 30 and I'm curious to know the cause. Certificates.ie only supply certs for 1924 or later.

Do certs before this time even exist?

Thanks!

dlofnep

You might have to source them from British sources, given that Ireland was under British control in 1908. Although, it's possible that Britain transferred all such documents to the Irish Government upon the creation of the Free State. Hopefully someone knows. I'd be interested myself.

Aglomerado

Cheers, I'll try contacting the British GRO: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content

I've got an English cert from 1916 on order with them so I'll ask if they've got anything for Ireland.

shanew

For all Irish Certs apply to the GRO www.groireland.ie

There's an index available at : http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails&c=fs%3A1408347

GRO UK do not have any Irish Certs. For NI certs from 1922, you need to apply to GRONI.

edit : registration, and therefore certs, for birth and deaths started in 1864, non-Catholic marriages in 1845, and Catholic marriages in 1864


Shane

InchicoreDude

I searched the indexes at the above links and found some ineteresting stuff.

In order to obtain the certs, What should I do with the indexes?

shanew

InchicoreDude wrote: »

I searched the indexes at the above links and found some ineteresting stuff.

In order to obtain the certs, What should I do with the indexes?

you send the references to the GRO. Download the relevant order form from their website, and enter your name, address and payment details. Ignore the rest of the form. On a separate page include the references to the cert you wish to order, and attach to the order. The required details are :

Name, type of record (e.g. death), registration district, year/quarter, volume number and page number. A research cert, which are scans/photocopies of the original register are usually best option. These cost €4 in the research room when you provide the references .. not sure if that's the charge by post. The other details on the index (film, image no etc) are LDS/familysearch internal references and not relevant to the GRO


You can also bring the references to the GRO research room in the Irish Life Centre (Abbey St, Dublin) and order and collect certs there.



Shane

p.s. details included on a death cert :

Registration District, County etc
Date and Place of Death
Name and Surname
Sex
Condition
Age last birthday
Rank, profession or occupation
Certified cause of death and duration of illness
Signature, Qualification and Residence of Informant
Date of registration
Registrars name

Deaths were registered from 1864

Condition is usually one of Bachelor, Spinster, Widow, Widower etc

In the case of a married woman or child, the husband/father's occupation is sometimes given - e.g. Theresa Reilly, wife of Farmer

If the informant is a family member this is usually mentioned as the qualification - e.g. on the death of a child 'Patrick Kelly, Father, Dunmore'

In the case of a death in a Hospital, Institution etc - the usual residence (townland or street) is sometimes entered under the name.

InchicoreDude

Mention on the page hat you would like research certs. These are scans/photocopies of the original register.

The other details on the index are LDS/familysearch internal references and not relevant to the GRO

I understood you up until this point. Can you elaborate?

What exactly is the purpose of the research room of the GRO if everything I can get there can be obtained from the link posted earlier in this thread?

Thanks for your help. This is the only main source of my family history that I have not yet availed of.

shanew

InchicoreDude wrote: »

I understood you up until this point. Can you elaborate?

What exactly is the purpose of the research room of the GRO if everything I can get there can be obtained from the link posted earlier in this thread?

Thanks for your help. This is the only main source of my family history that I have not yet availed of.

The BMD index on familysearch is based on the index books available in the GRO research room - it's just much easier to search the details online. There is also a charge for using these index books. The details included in these books are the same as the index - i.e. name, registration district, year/quarter, volume number & page. Other than these details, you dont need any of the other references from the familysearch website when order a cert..


Once you have established the references of interest you can either order by post from Roscommon, or drop into the GRO research room in Dublin - depends on your location and your level of patience ..

GRO Roscommon is postal orders only, you just download the order form - no online system.




Shane

InchicoreDude

Once you have established the references of interest you can either order by post from Roscommon, or drop into the GRO research room in Dublin - depends on your location and your level of patience ..

So if I get the index information from the net and bring that into the GRO research room in Dublin, Will they provide the certs to me there?

shanew

InchicoreDude wrote: »

So if I get the index information from the net and bring that into the GRO research room in Dublin, Will they provide the certs to me there?

yes - they have a small form you need to fill out for each cert - basically the detail mentioned above. Note you can only collect a maximum of 5 certs per day - any additional cert you order will be posted out to you later on.

It's worth arriving early (i.e. just before they open at 9:30) - as they can get busy.

They are in Building 7, floor 3 - some of the signs say something about department of Health & Children. Building 7 is to left when entering from Abbey street past the fountain.



Shane

InchicoreDude

Thanks for this information. I visted the GRO and got some good information. Very nice office and well organised in there.

Can be a little difficult to get the correct records though if you dont know the exact year and your family name is common. For example, I was looking for a death cert of somebody who dies between 1901-1911. 5 entries of a person with that name in the same district dies in this time. And with my luck, it was the last one I applied for so it cost me €20 instead of €5!

mickmackey1

Yep, I'm looking for two death certificates from 1902 and 1916 and now realise the silly HSE site only goes back to 1924. What a joke!

Aglomerado

mickmackey1 wrote: »

Yep, I'm looking for two death certificates from 1902 and 1916 and now realise the silly HSE site only goes back to 1924. What a joke!

Very annoying not being able to apply online, but I had no trouble getting my 1908 cert from the GRO via the traditional form in the end.

mickmackey1

If they can go back to 1924 why not go back to the beginning... i mean the documents are in the same building so i can't see the problem they should all be digitised and available freely in this day and age anyway...:mad:

KMFCross

Quick Question Folks.

I have found some Events on the Family Search website about births and deaths of great grandparents, if i order the cert from the GRO do i get an more details then the site shows. E.G Cause of Death??

shanew

on a death cert you get :

Date and place of death
condition (widow, married etc)
name, occupation and age of deceased
cause of death and duration of illness
name, address & qualification of informant (e.g. Mary Kavanagh, Dromore, wife)
date of registration

shanew

birth cert :

Date & Place of Birth
Name (of the Child)
Sex
Name and Surname and Dwelling Place of Father
Name and Maiden Surname of Mother
Rank or Profession of Father
Signature, Qualification and Residence of Informant
Date of Registration
Registrars name

as well as the usual county and district information on BMD certs