john greene

custom 7mm08

hey guys can anyone tell me what the story is with john greene. i read the post that he put up here a few days ago. but was trying to ring him yesterday between 4 and five as his wife said to do but there is no answer.

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ianoo wrote: »

lads i was in with john greene on thursday morning ,
he was up to his eyes in work ,i only got in cos i met him outside ,he told me that he is working the rounds of the clock to finish 30+ rifles and wont be opening the shop or answearing the phone for a few days till he gets on top of it ,,he just got a long awaited shipment of barrels in (mine included) and has a deadline with some of them so thats why he's probably too busy to answer the door or phone ,

ian

Thanks

Darragh

tomcat220t

Theres a mate of mine having tried all week to contact him on the phone about his well over due rifle build, sitting outside his shop since 9.30 this morning to see whats going on :(.

patsat

custom 7mm08 wrote: »

hey guys can anyone tell me what the story is with john greene. i read the post that he put up here a few days ago. but was trying to ring him yesterday between 4 and five as his wife said to do but there is no answer. is it a case of him being close to folding up or what no wonder he is losing business the way he is going

Not sure what the story is I was trying to get through to him yday too, I reckon it could be down to being so close to the 1st of sept and he might be trying to get as much out as possible.

That's only my take on it I'm not sure what's going on but I seen on <mod snip> that's he has closed his shop to business on Mondays and Tuesdays also to concentrate on working on rifles.

landkeeper

he told me he was going to be working on the rifles he has to complete for lads mon-tues-wens so would be not opening the shop or doing phone calls those days either he is working on the 30 or so custom rifles on order
ps i don't think there is any possibilty of him folding either or losing buisness i think it's rather the opposite

Vegeta

Lads the tone and direction of this thread is up to you.

So far there has been one dodge post removed, apart from that there is not a single insult aimed at the man.

patsat

I'd just like to add I wasn't trying to cut the man, I was only giving my take on why it was hard contact him and if he is that busy then fair enough.

If you read his post on the other forum you have to understand where he is coming from.

Vegeta

jwshooter wrote: »

whats the OP then .

patsat wrote: »

I'd just like to add I wasn't trying to cut the man, I was only giving my take on why it was hard contact him and if he is that busy then fair enough.

If you read his post on the other forum you have to understand where he is coming from.

Don't worry patsat, a thread outlining how difficult it is to contact a man who doesn't want to be contacted (by his own admission), so he can get some work done, could only be taken as insulting, if already looking for insult.

GixxerThou

Has anyone here had problems with parts being paid for in full, by way of a trade in and never received them?

ianoo

lads i was in with john greene on thursday morning ,
he was up to his eyes in work ,i only got in cos i met him outside ,he told me that he is working the rounds of the clock to finish 30+ rifles and wont be opening the shop or answearing the phone for a few days till he gets on top of it ,,he just got a long awaited shipment of barrels in (mine included:D) and has a deadline with some of them so thats why he's probably too busy to answer the door or phone ,

ian

Sparks

Thanks for the info Ian.

from beyond a mile

john green is not closed or gone out of busness cos i was in his shop to today, i saw and heard all the story about him and their are all crap iam gettin my rifle built by so that is my dealing with him every body must under stand that he cant get any work done if he is constantly on the fone answering questions for people is he turned off his fone is that he could get sum work done if ur getting a gun built by him relax its on the way it takes time rome was not built in aday , if u were in a rurh you should have bought a factory built gun

bunny shooter

from beyond a mile wrote: »

john green is not closed or gone out of busness cos i was in his shop to today, i saw and heard all the story about him and their are all crap iam gettin my rifle built by so that is my dealing with him every body must under stand that he cant get any work done if he is constantly on the fone answering questions for people is he turned off his fone is that he could get sum work done if ur getting a gun built by him relax its on the way it takes time rome was not built in aday , if u were in a rurh you should have bought a factory built gun

Thanks John

Seroiusly though, it does make sense, that and some people might think they can jump the queue

Dusty87

bunny shooter wrote: »

Thanks John

Seroiusly though, it does make sense, that and some people might think they can jump the queue

i only know the man from what i read here and elsewhere, but i surprised he stil answers the phone, the pressure he seems to be under. Id say half his calls are lads full of sh1t timewastin.

custom 7mm08

it is good myself and my dad were down with john greene yesterday as my dad was picking up his custom build. i must say that the work is spot on. my original post was just to see where he was in terms of his work load thats all. he explained the whole situation so everything is all good. so roll on next year for my custom build

vixdname

I have been in with John upteen times over the last few weeks and yes he is busy, he was never great at answering phone calls but when you have as much work to do as him, its understandable.
John puts up with all sorts of s**t, he showed me a few weeks ago an anonymous letter some twat sent to his shop which contained a printed article on how to crown a rifle barrell taken from the internet.
He didnt know who sent it, but whoever did obviously had a problem with John but didnt have the balls to talk to him face to face.
So not only is he up to his neck he also has to put up with time wasters on the phone, in the shop and assholes sending his anonymous letters in the post, is it any wonder hes not answering phones or closing for a couple of days a week.
Anyway, as far as I've seen John is busier now the ever - and good luck to him !

Tackleberrywho

vixdname wrote: »

I have been in with John upteen times over the last few weeks and yes he is busy, he was never great at answering phone calls but when you have as much work to do as him, its understandable.
John puts up with all sorts of s**t, he showed me a few weeks ago an anonymous letter some twat sent to his shop which contained a printed article on how to crown a rifle barrell taken from the internet.
He didnt know who sent it, but whoever did obviously had a problem with John but didnt have the balls to talk to him face to face.
So not only is he up to his neck he also has to put up with time wasters on the phone, in the shop and assholes sending his anonymous letters in the post, is it any wonder hes not answering phones or closing for a couple of days a week.
Anyway, as far as I've seen John is busier now the ever - and good luck to him !

The country needs several custom rifle builders.
The more we have the more common it will become.
The more common it becomes the cheaper it will become due to economies of scale.

tomcat220t

When i got my .204 built ,it worked out great!Then i send 4 friends down .One guy gets his build back firing 5-6" groups at 100 yards .(went back twice)That was a year ago and to date is still waiting on a shooter !The other guy got a rifle back SLAM FIRING:eek:...I sent a almost brand new Anschutz target rifle down to get bedded .The action came back bedded 5mm off center and the stock all marked .......Any problems he has is of his own making . I will never recommend him or his work again.

bunny shooter

I am speaking from my own experiences and those of my friends who have dealt with him too.

I am not saying you or some of your friends have had no problems.

But I or none of my friends have.

landkeeper

the full story would be nice so we can hear what really happened

custom 7mm08

i would just like to say when i started this thread it was not done to have a go at john greene. it was just to find out if he was still in business or what. before this thread is closed may i say that his work i cant fault this. my dad got his rifle off him friday and shot a sub 1 inch group with yesterday using federal fusion. if some people have had bad experiences then fine. but leave it at that this website as far as i can understand is not here so people can use it to attack a mans character. final point more people here seem to be happy with his work than unhappy. this is just my opinion

Tackleberrywho

custom 7mm08 wrote: »

i would just like to say when i started this thread it was not done to have a go at john greene. it was just to find out if he was still in business or what. before this thread is closed may i say that his work i cant fault this. my dad got his rifle off him friday and shot a sub 1 inch group with yesterday using federal fusion. if some people have had bad experiences then fine. but leave it at that this website as far as i can understand is not here so people can use it to attack a mans character. final point more people here seem to be happy with his work than unhappy. this is just my opinion

Every man deserves a break, every man can make mistakes.
Not so long ago Roedale precesion was on here similar issue.

This thread has pro's and cons on Mr G.
it is up to perspective customers to make up their own minds.

Although from a business perspective the customer is always right as the customer pays the rent.
Custom 7mm-08 you are happy so you will recommend, others are not so they won't.

However communication with customers is imperative to be successful in business.
The 5 performance objectives have to be met for a business to be successful in a TQM approach.
• Speed
• Cost
• Quality
• Dependability
• Flexibility

If any of these are not met, particularly in poor times it can cause a business to fail.
I do think that Mr G. will taker note of this thread in his future endevours & I wish him well.
Ireland needs custom rifle builders for the scene to become better & better & possibly a few Olympic/world championship golds along the way.

dwighet

custom 7mm08 wrote: »

i would just like to say when i started this thread it was not done to have a go at john greene. it was just to find out if he was still in business or what. before this thread is closed may i say that his work i cant fault this. my dad got his rifle off him friday and shot a sub 1 inch group with yesterday using federal fusion. if some people have had bad experiences then fine. but leave it at that this website as far as i can understand is not here so people can use it to attack a mans character. final point more people here seem to be happy with his work than unhappy. this is just my opinion

Your dead right;)

greenpeter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Every man deserves a break, every man can make mistakes.
Not so long ago Roedale precesion was on here similar issue.

This thread has pro's and cons on Mr G.
it is up to perspective customers to make up their own minds.

Although from a business perspective the customer is always right as the customer pays the rent.
Custom 7mm-08 you are happy so you will recommend, others are not so they won't.

However communication with customers is imperative to be successful in business.
The 5 performance objectives have to be met for a business to be successful in a TQM approach.
• Speed
• Cost
• Quality
• Dependability
• Flexibility

If any of these are not met, particularly in poor times it can cause a business to fail.
I do think that Mr G. will taker note of this thread in his future endevours & I wish him well.
Ireland needs custom rifle builders for the scene to become better & better & possibly a few Olympic/world championship golds along the way.

Don't know the man but read alot on here and else where about his work,
He seams to be over worked with builds so why not get help?

As you said the customer is always right and people need to know whats going on if they have a rifle with him or are considering getting work done with him.

Whats the point having a shop if its not open certain days or your to busy to take phone calls and speak to potential costumers or existing customers?


A thread like this could do his business serious harm

patsat

greenpeter wrote: »

A thread like this could do his business serious harm

That's why we should stop posting.. He has an overload of work and has taken the required steps to get on top of it as soon as possible without sacrificing the quality.

A mechanic would tell you come back another day if his garage was full of cars. So why can't he?

Sparks

greenpeter wrote: »

A thread like this could do his business serious harm

He doesn't seem to think so. John knows what's posted here as well as any of us do, if he thought we were being unfair, he'd say something. Fact is, he's a victim of his own success, if nothing else - we're not hurting his business, if anything, the extra exposure helps.

And lads, if you think that we should shut down a thread that says anything negative about a gunsmith that you like, but that a thread that defames a gunshop you don't like should stay open, then you need to think a bit harder about standards and fairness. If tomcat had a bad customer experience with John, then he's got as much right to say so as any of you have to say that gundealer X is a rip-off (and you've all been doing that since the forum was first created).

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, etc, etc...

Sparks

The rule is simple - if you're posting your experiences and they're negative, that's okay; if you're just looking to get the boot in, that's not. One's a genuine customer satisfaction issue (and frankly, is worth something to the business - successful businesses pay large amounts of money to collect that data); the other is a bitching session that's not based on fact, but on opinion and inertia.

If this thread goes down the second route, it'll get closed, same as all the others. If it doesn't then there's no need to close it.

philydiver

Hey Guys, has it all gone very quiet on this thread ?????

homerhop

philydiver wrote: »

Hey Guys, has it all gone very quiet on this thread ?????

Thats because this thread has caused a lot of ill feeling on this forum and regular posters are sick to the back teeth of the **** that is going on

sixpointfive

had one dealing with the man, first and last, new barrell on rifle, that would be "done in a day" took 8 months and when i collected the gun it was a second hand barrell that had been threaded and had loads of scratches on it and the mark of a moderator on, he didnt even bother to clean inside, manky with fouling <mod snip>

marlin vs

I was trying to refrain from adding to this post as it just seems to be a John Greene bitching tread (I know everyone is entitled to their opinion) but he treaded my gun for a mod also supplied me with the mod and re-crowned my barrel all in 3 day's,I wouldn't be happy with bad service, but I found him ok.

tomcat220t

landkeeper wrote: »

well i'm sick and tired of all these anonymous lads posting how unhappy they are withe the work done by john greene it's easy to sit behind a keyboard and spout crap about he did this and he didn't do that
so my name is stephen jerrard and im more than happy with my dealings with the man
so if your one of the whingers be a man and if your going to put the man down use your real name don't hide behind a username

John Greene knows exactly who i am ,my address,and phone number !Any thing i wrote here on his workmanship is well watered down as to not completly knock the gunsmith trade .

kildare.17hmr

Iv been watchin this thread since it started and since iv had no dealings with the man iv said nothing. I dont think anything wrong with people telling of their bad experience, it lets others make a more informed decision if their thinking of spending money with the guy simple as. People jumping down other peoples throaths for telling their story of what happened in their dealings with the guy is a load of ****e.

elius

To be honest this is all abit anal to me.
Half of the terminology is lost on me. All i no is i payed 550 quid for my rifle stuck on a set of mounts a scope went out with a target 8x8" And if i managed to hit the middle good enough for me after that its down to my own sh1te shooting:).
All this recrowning and stuff is way way over my head. I no if i go out with mine tonight and take a head shot on a bunny. I dont care where it hits once its his head if i miss so be it the bunny live's to fight another day.

I dont know how they managed years ago. If i asked my grandad what recrowning was he would look at me with ten heads (and tan my hole) further more if he seen a scope on a rifle he wouldn't have known what to do with it.:o . He always said keep things simple and you wont go far wrong and will live a peaceful life.:cool:.


Though i do quite fancy a thumb hole stock:pac:
Edited to say this must be all the build up of testosterone due to lack of shooting your desired game :pac::pac:

Sparks

Hartman banned for one week for abusive posting.
Trimming out most of the interpersonal stuff now. Folks, could we keep this a bit calmer and more civil please.

sharky0922

its like soap opera here
she loves you..but i saw here with other man, no that was her uncle
but he's dead? no he was just sleeping

but thread like that should be kept.
you can't learn if everybody says how great and amazing you are, criticism helps you see what you did wrong..
and helps you improve your job.. if person realy care about it.


its still amazes me how businesses in this country dont have ..
and dont want WEBSITE its number 1 on list "things to do" when you start your own company. .. i thought its the EASIEST QUICKEST AND CHEAPEST way to do business, and get information about you to potential customer
if somebody cant afford website or just waiting for one ..he can make a thread here(can he?)..and come here once a day and answer all questions, wouldnt be that easier? "Gunsmith Paddy- information thread"

only "willing" is the problem..

Sparks

Sparks wrote: »

Trimming out most of the interpersonal stuff now.

And that's all the interpersonal stuff, the back seat modding, and the editorialising around the testimonial stuff deleted. The thread remains open folks, but keep in mind the rule we have regarding the line between a negative customer testimonial and defamation, please. I think we've had to ban enough people already.

bunny shooter

Can I just say ............ that this thread has created so much bad feeling between so many regular posters and has turned out to be such a decisive thread that it is a real shame that it has come to this on what is usually a fairly happy place despite at times my very dry sense of humour

Sparks

Personally bunny, I think most of the bad feeling was viciously self-inflicted. There wasn't any need for any of it at all; the thread says precisely the same without it now as it did with all that muck cluttering things up.

Darragh

Folks

I'm setting this post back live after a lengthy discussion with the moderators of the forum.

It's as simple as this - Boards.ie will not host post, threads or comments that are false, defamatory or specifically designed to damage someone's business.

Honest answers about or critiques of people's work is fine. In my opinion, if you're willing to post a negative review of someone's work, you should also put up your name and contact details for that person to contact you.

We are not here to "get" anyone. We are not here to promote one business over another - we are a platform for discussion - and as long as that discussion is honest, open and transparent, we're happy.

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I feel this discussion is now closed. Happy to answer any questions put to me but for the moment, the question was asked:

"Is John Greene just busy or is there something else up?" and the answer "He's just busy" was given.

Unless there's more to be gained from continuing this conversation, I'm closing it now.

Thanks

Darragh
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