Patriotic duty

dgrump1

There is certainly someting to be learnt from what this government has done to this country by way of bankrupting it and the spin that they have managed to put on it afterwards that is still holding them in power. I think in terms of all our patriots that died for Ireland in the past. Were they patriots or was it a spin put on their deeds at the time that made them look like patriots, after all we did name all our ghettos after them. We now have BL calling on the people of this country to do their patriotic duty, what exactly does he mean by that? Buy more Eircom shares like one of his relations insisted we do when she was in government and left everybody broke.

jonsnow

"patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" which is why we always have FF scum lecturing us about it while bankrupting the state for their own and their mates ends

deise go deo

Dose this thread have a point?

Patriotism is subjective. If you question the common idea that those who died for Ireland were Patriots then go and read accounts of their life and times and decide for yourself.

PeakOutput

when politicians use patriotism in any context its usually cause they are trying to guilt trip you into doing something they think should be done

i have no problem examining historical figures and deciding they were patriots and loved their country, i have a serious problem with people using patriotism as an excuse for having ridicolous opinions

piby

Well I think to be considered patriotic and to appeal to somebody's sense of patriotism are two different things.

A patriot is somebody who loves their country and does something extraordinary, or unusual, to further the interests of that country or its people. Pearse and Wolfe Tone were patriots, Gandhi was a patriot, the SS were in way patriots. It is generally an honourable thing although we can see that in the last example, that in light of the atrocious crimes against humanity carries out by the Nazis, this is not always the case.

But as was said:

PeakOutput wrote: »

when politicians use patriotism in any context its usually cause they are trying to guilt trip you into doing something they think should be done

It is normally an appeal to people when they have not or cannot be persuaded by reason and rational argument. It is if you like the 'low blow' and I think it demeanes what it is to be a patriot. Only history can decide that.

limklad

I am A Patriot to my own idea of culture.

Denerick

How many of these bogmen threads will we have to endure before the Irish citizenry accept personal responsibility for their failings? If you hadn't got yourself into debt to the tune of six, seven, eight times you annual income, you wouldn't be anywhere near in as much shít. If you didn't buy shít you didn't need you wouldn't be in any shiít. If you didn't spend 5 euro on a fúcking coffee every day you wouldn't be in any shít.

The whinging of the Irish people is a serious turn off. I don't know how tourists put up with us.

Liam Byrne

Denerick wrote: »

How many of these bogmen threads will we have to endure before the Irish citizenry accept personal responsibility for their failings? If you hadn't got yourself into debt to the tune of six, seven, eight times you annual income, you wouldn't be anywhere near in as much shít. If you didn't buy shít you didn't need you wouldn't be in any shiít. If you didn't spend 5 euro on a fúcking coffee every day you wouldn't be in any shít.

Bull.

I'm not "in debt to the tune of six, seven eight times my annual income"; a bank offered more than I could afford, and I refused.
I don't buy "****"
I don't spend 5 euro on a coffee every day

And while I'm not quite "in the ****" I'm still on a knife-edge.

So please don't make blatantly incorrect sweeping statements and generalisations.

Statements like the above are just attempts to attribute and spread the blame without bothering to acknowledge facts and - ironically - avoid acknowledging the fact that individuals might not be responsible because of prudent decisions that they - as individuals - did make.

No, far easier to blame them for collective decisions of others and admit the fact that many people did act responsibly; however those people are being walloped by those in power who won't even take responsibility for their actions.

Sickening.

Denerick

The bottom line is that it is irresponsible to place blame solely with the governing party at the time, who merely did what any other party would have. The economy was fueled by cheap credit, massive consumer consumption and foreign investment. We're going to have to take responsibility for this sooner or later, as the delusion is only damaging our prospects for economic recovery.

Drumpot

Denerick wrote: »

How many of these bogmen threads will we have to endure before the Irish citizenry accept personal responsibility for their failings? If you hadn't got yourself into debt to the tune of six, seven, eight times you annual income, you wouldn't be anywhere near in as much shít. If you didn't buy shít you didn't need you wouldn't be in any shiít. If you didn't spend 5 euro on a fúcking coffee every day you wouldn't be in any shít.

The whinging of the Irish people is a serious turn off. I don't know how tourists put up with us.

I actually agree with your next post . . I have been saying for ages that the books starts at the electorate . . The government mirrors its people (about the 90th time I posted it here!). . On one hand you have people demanding an election because the government have no mandate from the people. On the next hand you have the same people lambasting the government for fullfilling the mandate of the people during the "boom" years!

However, you have to understand that there are people and families that bought houses for fear that they would never be able to afford one . . Its easy for some people to come on here and judge others who had differant motives (not everybody was looking to make it rich!) for making big financial decisions. .

Dont also forget that many people could easily afford their mortgage until they lost their jobs. And anyways, the way the market was going, it wasnt unreasonable for people to think they could easily sell off their property if they got into financial trouble.

There are innocent victims of the celtic tiger, who own houses. . . While many were in hindsight ignorant and uneducated in spotting the warning signs, I dont think its a reason to condemn people. People who dont awknowledge their role do deserve mocking, but people who are just trying to keep the heads up deserve credit.