Deadlift bars

Dathai

I'm looking to buy a bar for practicing deadlifts at home. I'm in the gym about 4-5 days a week, but I'd like to practice (with a lower weight obviously) in the evenings just for extra technique.

I don't have a huge amount of room, so one of the 6ft or 5ft bars would be out of the question. Just wondering would an ez bar be sufficient for deadlifts? I've never tried it in the gym, but I'm just wondering is there any reason not to use one for a deadlift? I can imagine the curves on it would suck for grip. They're the smallest bars I've seen, so I naturally thought of them first. If anyone has any links or info on other bars, that'd be great.

Any input is greatly appreciated,

Cheers.

COH

Why dont you just do more warm up sets if you're worried about your form? You're never going to be deadlifting with an EZ-bar... so why would you practice deadlifting using one!

beefjerky

I actually use an EZ bar for this, it's all I have at the moment but then again I amn't shifting much weight either... I'd be interested to see any POV on whether it is a good or bad idea as the op asks also!

COH

beefjerky wrote: »

I actually use an EZ bar for this, it's all I have at the moment but then again I amn't shifting much weight either... I'd be interested to see any POV on whether it is a good or bad idea as the op asks also!

You use an ez bar to deadlift? Or you use an ez bar to practice deadlifting?


If the op is in the gym 4-5 times a week anyway then I dont see why he would need to be practicing at home with different equipment. Like you wouldn'y practice your bench press technique on an incline, or using dumbbells, you'd practice on a bench, with a bar.. as if you were benching.

That being said, if you only have an ez-bar, and its what you use to train then fair enough. Use the ez bar. However its probably going to hinder your progress. Like are you actually able to use a staggered grip with an ez bar? Or is it one of the hollow ez bars from argos that bends/warps with upwards of 60kg on it?

beefjerky

Yeah I use an ez bar to deadlift, but like i say it's eff all weight so suits me until I get some money together... only new to these lifts you see, easing in .
it is one from argos (havn't even put 30kg on it yet) but all I have and will have for the next month or so

wotzgoingon

beefjerky wrote: »

Yeah I use an ez bar to deadlift, but like i say it's eff all weight so suits me until I get some money together... only new to these lifts you see, easing in .
it is one from argos (havn't even put 30kg on it yet) but all I have and will have for the next month or so

What are u male!!

Untrained male should b deadlifting at least 50 Kg starting off.

Its not worth ur while other wise!

TommyKnocker

wotzgoingon wrote: »

What are u male!!

Untrained male should b deadlifting at least 50 Kg starting off.

Its not worth ur while other wise!

IMHO an untrained "any gender" should start off as light as they need to until they have the technique dialled in, then they can start to increase the weight on the bar.

Also just a point, but the use of txt spk (u, b, ur etc) is discouraged in posts on all forums across Boards.ie.


M

beefjerky

wotzgoingon wrote: »

What are u male!!

Untrained male should b deadlifting at least 50 Kg starting off.

Its not worth ur while other wise!

As my post implies, thats all i have at the moment until I get some money together.

Apart from getting a feeling of superiority, I don't know why you would post the above, but thanks for the advice, I should really sort my life out.

rjp123

Dathai wrote: »

I'm looking to buy a bar for practicing deadlifts at home......
I don't have a huge amount of room, so one of the 6ft or 5ft bars would be out of the question. Just wondering would an ez bar be sufficient for deadlifts?
Any input is greatly appreciated,

Cheers.

look for a 'hex bar'....you stand inside them. never used them myself and dont know what the difference is between them and an oly bar for dlifting. may work slightly different muscles if alignment is more centrally distributed, but should solve the space issue you are having,

squod

beefjerky wrote: »

Yeah I use an ez bar to deadlift, but like i say it's eff all weight so suits me until I get some money together... only new to these lifts you see, easing in .
it is one from argos (havn't even put 30kg on it yet) but all I have and will have for the next month or so

I can remember using two calor gas bottles and a yard brush when I was young (100 years ago ). Keep a look out on the freebie sites for a standard bar and weight. Use some phonebooks or something to get the bar to the correct height for lifting.
http://www.gumtree.ie/dublin/freebies_1058_1.html

http://www.buyandsell.ie/categories/freebies

Nate--IRL--

rjp123 wrote: »

look for a 'hex bar'....you stand inside them. never used them myself and dont know what the difference is between them and an oly bar for dlifting. may work slightly different muscles if alignment is more centrally distributed, but should solve the space issue you are having,

A Trap Bar?

Nate

beefjerky

Cheers squod, i have been keeping an eye on those alright.

Thanks for the tips on the phonebooks!

rjp123

cant open link (my problem) but i think they are one and the same. hex bar as its hexagonal, trap bar as it works your traps too. aka shrug bar too i think but i stand to be corrected

d'Oracle

I'm pretty sure that Trap bar and Hex Bar are interchangeable terms.

Nate--IRL--

d'Oracle wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that Trap bar and Hex Bar are interchangeable terms.

I've never head it being called a Hex bar. You learn something new everyday.....

Nate

TommyKnocker

Hi Beefjerky

I am living around Dublins Northside and have a standarb bar (from Argos) which you would be more than welcome to if you can collect.

PM me if this is of any interest and we can arrange for you to pick it up.


M

Dathai

rjp123 wrote: »

look for a 'hex bar'....you stand inside them. never used them myself and dont know what the difference is between them and an oly bar for dlifting. may work slightly different muscles if alignment is more centrally distributed, but should solve the space issue you are having,

Had a look at the irishlifting site and they seem to have one. Standing inside the bar and lifting? Sounds odd. I'll check it out none the less mate. Cheers.

rubadub

Dathai wrote: »

I can imagine the curves on it would suck for grip.

I actual prefer deadlifting with one due to the curves -though I use a double overhand grip
i.e. this

beefjerky wrote: »

it is one from argos (havn't even put 30kg on it yet) but all I have and will have for the next month or so

I have a cheapo hollow argos one, it began to bend over 130kg or so, up to 100kg it is fine, 110kg and it starts to flex. I think they are technically only rated to 60kg. I have a straight solid one too.

Most people use a mixed grip like this at higher weights

This would not be good with a ez curl bar

Brian?

rubadub wrote: »

I have a cheapo hollow argos one, it began to bend over 130kg or so, up to 100kg it is fine, 110kg and it starts to flex. I think they are technically only rated to 60kg. I have a straight solid one too.

They have those in Jackie Skelly in Swords, terrible once you get over 70-80kg. You can actually feel the bar bending in your hands.

soc$

wotzgoingon wrote: »

What are u male!!

Untrained male should b deadlifting at least 50 Kg starting off.

Its not worth ur while other wise!

That's silly - if someone is "untrained" they should be working on technique only until they have it correct - especially for lifts like squat & deadlift which could have serious implications for your back if done incorrectly!

soc$

rjp123 wrote: »

look for a 'hex bar'....you stand inside them. never used them myself and dont know what the difference is between them and an oly bar for dlifting. may work slightly different muscles if alignment is more centrally distributed, but should solve the space issue you are having,

+100% on the Hex bar - they are much easier on your lower back and are particularly useful when you go start to use weights that might be too heavy for your frame.

Genetics dictate that everyone has a certain skeletal frame with a certain tolerance for things like ligaments and discs - with lifts like squat and deadlift it is entirely possible to develop muscles that will lift weights your skeletal frame cannot cope with - the Hex bar gives you more scope here because the pressure on your lower back is less when doing deadlift.

grimloch

soc$ wrote: »

+100% on the Hex bar - they are much easier on your lower back and are particularly useful when you go start to use weights that might be too heavy for your frame.

Genetics dictate that everyone has a certain skeletal frame with a certain tolerance for things like ligaments and discs - with lifts like squat and deadlift it is entirely possible to develop muscles that will lift weights your skeletal frame cannot cope with - the Hex bar gives you more scope here because the pressure on your lower back is less when doing deadlift.

What. This is the worst thing I've read here in long time.

Better not lift too heavy on those squats bro's, your skeleton might explode.

Edit: Oh look he's spouting the same manure over on the knee wraps thread.

Hanley

soc$ wrote: »

+100% on the Hex bar - they are much easier on your lower back and are particularly useful when you go start to use weights that might be too heavy for your frame.

Genetics dictate that everyone has a certain skeletal frame with a certain tolerance for things like ligaments and discs - with lifts like squat and deadlift it is entirely possible to develop muscles that will lift weights your skeletal frame cannot cope with - the Hex bar gives you more scope here because the pressure on your lower back is less when doing deadlift.

Another poster to put on "ignore" so...

Barry.Oglesby

rjp123 wrote: »

cant open link (my problem) but i think they are one and the same. hex bar as its hexagonal, trap bar as it works your traps too. aka shrug bar too i think but i stand to be corrected

It's a trap bar because it's trapezoid in shape.

They're a good deal shorter than a regular bar. Might be a space saver but you're pretty limited with them.

COH

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Might be a space saver but you're pretty limited with them.

Not according to the lads I saw using one for overhead pressing yesterday :rolleyes:

Barry.Oglesby

COH wrote: »

Not according to the lads I saw using one for overhead pressing yesterday :rolleyes:

How did they get it overhead? We've a swiss bar and even that's tricky.

COH

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

How did they get it overhead? We've a swiss bar and even that's tricky.

No idea... one of them was pressing it overhead as he walked past me. I'm sure its some sort of power-curl explosive-front-raise variation. There's an idea for your next video blog!

cc87

COH wrote: »

No idea... one of them was pressing it overhead as he walked past me.

Wait....they were overhead pressing a trap bar and walking around the place while pressing it??????

squod

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

How did they get it overhead? We've a swiss bar and even that's tricky.

I just googled swiss bar.

COH

cc87 wrote: »

Wait....they were overhead pressing a trap bar and walking around the place while pressing it??????

Yup, you see some pretty aggravatingly stupid curious things working in a gym for long enough

Barry.Oglesby

COH wrote: »

No idea... one of them was pressing it overhead as he walked past me. I'm sure its some sort of power-curl explosive-front-raise variation. There's an idea for your next video blog!

That's fairly awesome. So awesome that I went out to see if I could stand in the bar and raise it overhead. It's very difficult. It's also really difficult to get overhead from it being in front of you.

COH

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

That's fairly awesome. So awesome that I went out to see if I could stand in the bar and raise it overhead. It's very difficult. It's also really difficult to get overhead from it being in front of you.

You just need more core strength... whatever that is :pac:

brianthebard

COH wrote: »

No idea... one of them was pressing it overhead as he walked past me. I'm sure its some sort of power-curl explosive-front-raise variation. There's an idea for your next video blog!

how many of them were there? If there were three I'm willing to bet the two spotters lifted either end for the guy about to do the exercise...

squod

Surely it's a log lift. Swiss bars are skinnier than trap bars, so google says.

itsallaboutheL

squod wrote: »

Surely it's a log lift. Swiss bars are skinnier than trap bars, so google says.

Swiss bars are a full size version of those ****ty tricep things you get in argos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPCF4a7eKak

Scuba Ste

squod wrote: »

Surely it's a log lift. Swiss bars are skinnier than trap bars, so google says.

squod wrote: »

Every video on Elitelifts has chains in it.

Hehe you must have missed this one.

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

Swiss bars are a full size version of those ****ty tricep things you get in argos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPCF4a7eKak

Not sure this post was worth the effort, but I can't study nomore

wotzgoingon

soc$ wrote: »

That's silly - if someone is "untrained" they should be working on technique only until they have it correct - especially for lifts like squat & deadlift which could have serious implications for your back if done incorrectly!

But sure its only 50Kgs if i said 100Kg then i would understand what you are saying.

rjp123

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

It's a trap bar because it's trapezoid in shape.

is it not a trap bar as it works the trapezius muscle rather than because it is trapezoidal shape ? a trapezoid has 4 sides. The bar has 6 , hence hex - bar.

soc$

grimloch wrote: »

What. This is the worst thing I've read here in long time.

Better not lift too heavy on those squats bro's, your skeleton might explode.

Edit: Oh look he's spouting the same manure over on the knee wraps thread.

Steady on mate - just cause it's something you might not believe.

I'm only speaking from personal experience - I managed to compress my lower spine enough to create a minor bulge in a disc. I've also damaged knee cartiledge through years of heavy squatting. And this isn't me hypothosising - it's me being told by medical professionals.

Hanley

soc$ wrote: »

Steady on mate - just cause it's something you might not believe.

I'm only speaking from personal experience - I managed to compress my lower spine enough to create a minor bulge in a disc. I've also damaged knee cartiledge through years of heavy squatting. And this isn't me hypothosising - it's me being told by medical professionals.

How was your form?

Dathai

Had a look at youtube for hex bar deadlifts. It seems great. However, for technique it doesn't really do anything for me as you hold the sides rather than holding the bar in the traditional way (horizontally). But I guess you're using more or less the same muscles to lift the weight.

Someone mentioned earlier that I should just do more warm up sets where I can practice technique. That is a good suggestion and all (one which I have tried before), but there are factors involved which prevent this. I'm in the gym at 7am to about 9.30 most mornings, then head to work. So time is a factor trying to get my all sets and rest periods in. If I do more warm up sets I'll find myself becoming too tired to complete my planned sets which messes up my training on that particular exercise for the week.

d'Oracle

rjp123 wrote: »

is it not a trap bar as it works the trapezius muscle rather than because it is trapezoidal shape ? a trapezoid has 4 sides. The bar has 6 , hence hex - bar.

Also, All deadlifts work your traps.
But seriously, you are arguing over nothing.

rjp123

d'Oracle wrote: »

Also, All deadlifts work your traps.
But seriously, you are arguing over nothing.

whos arguing? just asking questions and learning. never seen one that shape before.

soc$

Hanley wrote: »

How was your form?

My form was fine - I was in lifting shoes so well planted with chesk up/open, shoulder blades retracted and a strong core (slight arch in the lower back) - sitting back into the squat and bending only at the hip. There was no problem on the way down but when pushing up I got an incredibly sharp pain in lower back on my left side and immediately dropped the bar from my back. Back went into a spasm after that - subsequent examination by physio the next day plus an mri that evening showed a very slight bulge in the disc which pressed on a nerve. The physio felt I had compressed the disc too much and attributed it to the loading created by the weight against my naturally small "frame".

COH

soc$ wrote: »

My form was fine - I was in lifting shoes so well planted with chesk up/open, shoulder blades retracted and a strong core (slight arch in the lower back) - sitting back into the squat and bending only at the hip. There was no problem on the way down but when pushing up I got an incredibly sharp pain in lower back on my left side and immediately dropped the bar from my back. Back went into a spasm after that - subsequent examination by physio the next day plus an mri that evening showed a very slight bulge in the disc which pressed on a nerve. The physio felt I had compressed the disc too much and attributed it to the loading created by the weight against my naturally small "frame".

Not being smart.. but isnt that just a long winded way of saying 'I wasn't strong enough'?

Nothing to do with your frame

Hanley

COH wrote: »

Not being smart.. but isnt that just a long winded way of saying 'I wasn't strong enough'?

Nothing to do with your frame

This.

soc$

COH wrote: »

Not being smart.. but isnt that just a long winded way of saying 'I wasn't strong enough'?

Nothing to do with your frame

I had happily moved up to squatting 160kg 3RM for a few weeks before the injury so I'll read it differently but I guess you can read it anyway you want - honestly I don't really care.

COH

soc$ wrote: »

I had happily moved up to squatting 160kg 3RM for a few weeks before the injury so I'll read it differently but I guess you can read it anyway you want - honestly I don't really care.

I don't care what you were squatting. You're saying someones frame dictates the limit to which they can make progress. And thats just stupid. If you train to be stronger your frame will support that progress, you dont just stop one day and say 'well thats my skeletal limit'.

Thats called giving up

Hanley

soc$ wrote: »

I had happily moved up to squatting 160kg 3RM for a few weeks before the injury so I'll read it differently but I guess you can read it anyway you want - honestly I don't really care.

I'd be very surprised if there's a healthy adult male who legitimately couldn't support 160kg. There's about 20,000,000 other reasons why you could have been injured. Your skeletons innate inability to support the weight's about 19,456,842 on that list.

Transform

soc$ wrote: »

My form was fine - I was in lifting shoes so well planted with chesk up/open, shoulder blades retracted and a strong core (slight arch in the lower back) - sitting back into the squat and bending only at the hip. There was no problem on the way down but when pushing up I got an incredibly sharp pain in lower back on my left side and immediately dropped the bar from my back. Back went into a spasm after that - subsequent examination by physio the next day plus an mri that evening showed a very slight bulge in the disc which pressed on a nerve. The physio felt I had compressed the disc too much and attributed it to the loading created by the weight against my naturally small "frame".

there are a ton of female olympic lifters that would blow your assumption out of the water.

discus

Guys, whatever way he put it, he got a nasty back injury.