Bull Jumps into Crowd in Spain

losthorizon

Did anybody see this on the news this morning? TBH I dont have any sympathey for the crowd. I can understand killing animals for meat etc and to some extent maybe Hunting in some circumstances but cruelty to animals just for the sake of it is wrong imo.

http://www.euronews.net/2010/08/19/bull-jumps-into-crowd-at-spanish-arena-40-hurt/

fakearms123

This story is complete bull-sh*t! ohhh

Sea Sharp

"When beef burgers bite back"

sron

losthorizon wrote: »

Did anybody see this on the news this morning? TBH I dont have any sympathey for the crowd. I can understand killing animals for meat etc and to some extent maybe Hunting in some circumstances but cruelty to animals just for the sake of it is wrong imo.

http://www.euronews.net/2010/08/19/bull-jumps-into-crowd-at-spanish-arena-40-hurt/

It's all the same to the bull. In fact, such bulls have far better lives than any factory farmed animals, even if they have to go through a bit of pain for it. If you don't care about people supporting cruelty to animals (the spectators in this case) getting hurt, would you extend the same thoughts to those who frequent McDonalds?

thebigbiffo

i found that entertaining but i'll admit here i never really had a major problem with bullfighting. tradition's tradition, theres more relevant things in the world for people to get pissed off about tbh

My name is URL

Bull-leaping isn't that cruel tbh.. The bull rarely gets injured and it's not a sport per se, but a ritualistic depiction of worship for the animal

Wazdakka

That was some jump it did. :eek:

fakearms123

fakearms123 wrote: »

This story is complete bull-sh*t! ohhh

What does a brother have to do to get a few thanks around here!?

WindSock

Dodgebull!

fakearms123

WindSock wrote: »

Dodgebull!

how does he gets thanks!! that was a terrible joke :D

Saibh

fakearms123 wrote: »

What does a brother have to do to get a few thanks around here!?

Don't ask for any thanks is one way.

Wazdakka

fakearms123 wrote: »

how does she gets thanks!! that was a terrible joke :D

Obviously you're using the wrong avatar.

chin_grin

fakearms123 wrote: »

What does a brother have to do to get a few thanks around here!?

Better jokes.

I'm clutching at straws here but.......

Reports say that Victor Meldrew was a spectator. Witnesses heard "I don't bull-ieve it." before the bull (who didn't care for One Foot In The Grave) charged at the crowd.

I really need to wake up.........Coffee. Coffee is good.

super_furry

This sickening terrorist attack fully justifies my pro-steak stance. These so called 'vegitarians' make me sick, if a cow could eat you, it would.

Meat is murder? Meat is self-defence.

afatbollix

It wasnt bull fighting... It was bull dodging.. great craic.. The aim of the game is to touch the bull and not get gored.. If you have ever done Pamplona if you run into the stadium after the run they release the bulls back out for a run around..

King Felix

It's rare for a bull to jump even a medium height like that. Very well done, I have to say.

Minstrel27

losthorizon wrote: »

TBH I dont have any sympathey for the crowd.

Yeah. **** that 10 year old who received stomach wounds. That little mother****er.

spurious

True crowd participation. They all got to experience the thrill of dodging the bull up close and personal. They should charge them extra.

Pretty cool leap for such a big animal all the same.

anniehoo

I cracked up at the lad hanging onto his tail.What was he thinking?
"Using my manly power of tail holding i will stop this rampaging 800kg animal"

Forest Master

fakearms123 wrote: »

What does a brother have to do to get a few thanks around here!?

Make your jokes funny & not obvious.

bazmaiden

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Yeah. **** that 10 year old who received stomach wounds. That little mother****er.

ye **** that little dip****

cython

Reminds me of this:

Troy McClure wrote:

If a cow ever got the chance, he'd eat you and everyone you care about

fakearms123

Saibh wrote: »

Don't ask for any thanks is one way.

it was worth a try

Lorrs33

Brilliant

Sanjuro

thebigbiffo wrote: »

i found that entertaining but i'll admit here i never really had a major problem with bullfighting. tradition's tradition, theres more relevant things in the world for people to get pissed off about tbh

Tradition is a ridiculous argument. If we adhered to tradition, we'd all be butchering eachother over nothing (more so). Some traditions should be dropped. Slowly mutilating and killing a bull for sport is one of them.

starbelgrade

Sanjuro wrote: »

Tradition is a ridiculous argument. If we adhered to tradition, we'd all be butchering eachother over nothing (more so). Some traditions should be dropped. Slowly mutilating and killing a bull for sport is one of them.

I would feel more sympathy for factory farmed animals to be honest - their lives are much worse & their deaths, not much better. Any meat eater who disagrees with this, is a hypocrite, pure & simple.

Canis Lupus

anniehoo wrote: »

I cracked up at the lad hanging onto his tail.What was he thinking?

must avoid the pointy bits!

Personally I've no care for adults or children getting hurt when a bull goes out of control in these things. It's harsh I know but ****, if given the option of taking a child to the park for a play on the swings or to watch a bull being hurt for sport then I'll choose the park every time.

Sanjuro

starbelgrade wrote: »

I would feel more sympathy for factory farmed animals to be honest - their lives are much worse & their deaths, not much better. Any meat eater who disagrees with this, is a hypocrite, pure & simple.

Cant really argue with this. I do what I can to buy only ethically sourced meat, but it is something that needs to be improved.

Auvers

sron wrote: »

It's all the same to the bull. In fact, such bulls have far better lives than any factory farmed animals

first "little" bit of pain they have to endure is four people on horseback throwing spears into their neck to let them bleed a little so they will be exhausted and confused and frightened so some asshole in tights can come in and ram a sword down into the nape of their necks for no other reason than to satisfy the bloodlust of the crowd

sron wrote: »

would you extend the same thoughts to those who frequent McDonalds?

Ridiculous thing to say, slaughtering an animal for food or enjoying seeing it suffering are two completley different things

Fizgig Bandicoot

Has anyone ever heard off Bous a la Mar- In Alicante, Bulls are goaded to chase people culminating with them jumping after people into the sea.....strange. Don't think I would ever participate in a bull run because i can't run fast. And in the case of this one, I can't swim fast either.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/7873013/Bous-a-la-Mar-bulls-chase-people-into-the-sea-in-Denia-near-Alicante-Spain.html

I actually didn't realise till recently, that at the end of a normal bullrun, the bulls are all herded into a big arena, then killed in front of spectators. I would never be able to witness this, or a bull fight, it sounds horrific.

Canis Lupus

starbelgrade wrote: »

I would feel more sympathy for factory farmed animals to be honest - their lives are much worse & their deaths, not much better. Any meat eater who disagrees with this, is a hypocrite, pure & simple.

I come from a farm and my best friend is also a farmer but on a much much bigger scale than my place. I've travelled to and been in plenty of farms and can tell from my experiences that cattle/sheep have a decent life in Ireland. It might not be true of all farms and less so on the continent or America but in general, farmers in Ireland, wanting to actually protect their income treat animals well and I've yet to hear of one that puts them in a ring and kills them in the most barbaric way possible. I mean have you googled the end of a bullfight? It's absolutely horrendous.

kilburn

well done to the bull, get some revenge

Ghost Train

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W2T5swEH3s

great jump

sron

Auvers wrote: »

first "little" bit of pain they have to endure is four people on horseback throwing spears into their neck to let them bleed a little so they will be exhausted and confused and frightened so some asshole in tights can come in and ram a sword down into the nape of their necks for no other reason than to satisfy the bloodlust of the crowd

Better a good life and a painful death than a painful life and a good death, I say. As pointed out above, the majority of Irish cattle are treated reasonably well (though few as well as a fighting bull), but that is not the case in a great many parts of the world. Even if McDonalds buys meat ethically produced here, they don't everywhere else.

Auvers wrote: »

Ridiculous thing to say, slaughtering an animal for food or enjoying seeing it suffering are two completley different things

Why does one eat meat and not live as a vegetarian? The usual answer is because people ENJOY meat.
Anyway, what matter the intentions when the act is the same? A dead bull is dead whether killed for sport or meat; it makes no difference to him.

Menengroth™

unbullievable.


i'm dead inside.

JerryHandbag

I thought the guy grabbin his tail was gonna start swinging him around....Superman-stylee:pac:

starbelgrade

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I come from a farm and my best friend is also a farmer but on a much much bigger scale than my place. I've travelled to and been in plenty of farms and can tell from my experiences that cattle/sheep have a decent life in Ireland. It might not be true of all farms and less so on the continent or America but in general, farmers in Ireland, wanting to actually protect their income treat animals well and I've yet to hear of one that puts them in a ring and kills them in the most barbaric way possible. I mean have you googled the end of a bullfight? It's absolutely horrendous.

It's true that cattle & sheep in Ireland are reared well, in terms of a standard of life. The same however cannot be said of pigs & chicken. We also import a lot of meat & meat products from outside the country, so there is very little guarantee that the animal you are eating had a good quality of life.

Or even a humane death - the EU have been trying to push through increased standards for over 10 years as a lot of slaughterhouses have very poor animal welfare standards. It will be at least another 10 years before these standards come into place. And even then - the same standards won't apply to meat imported from outside the EU.

At present, you have zero guarantee that the animal you consume has had a less painful death than that of a bull in the ring.

And yes - I have seen the end of a bullfight. In fact I've been to many bullfights in Spain. I have also seen some fights where - because the bull put up such a good fight - that his life was spared. This could never happen to an animal farmed for it's meat, which is a small but significant detail.

Auvers

sron wrote: »

Better a good life and a painful death than a painful life and a good death, I say. As pointed out above, the majority of Irish cattle are treated reasonably well (though few as well as a fighting bull), but that is not the case in a great many parts of the world. Even if McDonalds buys meat ethically produced here, they don't everywhere else

I am a bit confused are you defending Bullfighting?

I am quite aware of the mistreatment of animals by the food industry but that mistreatment is driven by trying to give you a burger for 99c, by doing things on the cheap, I also have a major gripe with this but thats for another thread

all I am trying to say that does not detract from the fact that bullfighting is a barbaric outdated "sport"

starbelgrade

Auvers wrote: »

I am a bit confused are you defending Bullfighting?

I am quite aware of the mistreatment of animals by the food industry but that mistreatment is driven by trying to give you a burger for 99c, by doing things on the cheap, I also have a major gripe with this but thats for another thread

all I am trying to say that does not detract from the fact that bullfighting is a barbaric outdated "sport"

The point is, that it is hypocritical to eat meat & be opposed to bullfighting.

losthorizon

Auvers wrote: »

I am a bit confused are you defending Bullfighting?

I am quite aware of the mistreatment of animals by the food industry but that mistreatment is driven by trying to give you a burger for 99c, by doing things on the cheap, I also have a major gripe with this but thats for another thread

all I am trying to say that does not detract from the fact that bullfighting is a barbaric outdated "sport"

Personally because of this I always try and eat free range food. I have no problem with animals being killed (providing they are not endangered) but not cruelly.

The_Minister

losthorizon wrote: »

Did anybody see this on the news this morning? TBH I dont have any sympathey for the crowd. I can understand killing animals for meat etc and to some extent maybe Hunting in some circumstances but cruelty to animals just for the sake of it is wrong imo.

http://www.euronews.net/2010/08/19/bull-jumps-into-crowd-at-spanish-arena-40-hurt/

I would imagine that the ten-year-old boy with stomach wounds, possibly gored, was brought by his parents.

Auvers

starbelgrade wrote: »

The point is, that it is hypocritical to eat meat & be opposed to bullfighting.

of course its hypocritical but the basic thing is bullfighting is all about primal bloodlust and I just cant get my head around people getting off enjoying seeing an animal suffering

let me pose this question to you, since you have been to a few bullfights and enjoyed the spectacle, would you attend a "fight" if it was between two dogs\bears\horses?

fonecrusher1

starbelgrade wrote: »

The point is, that it is hypocritical to eat meat & be opposed to bullfighting.

Nah thats rubbish.

Im not one of these whinging hippy types that shed a tear when someone steps on a bluebottle but i don't like bullfighting. Your essentially saying if i eat meat i kind of have to zip it & accept this 'tradition'?

As someone said that old livestock have a terrible life before they're slaughtered tale is great leverage for people who want to watch an animal suffer (possibly beacuse they have some sort of inadequacy?) & then have a handy instant excuse ready when someone expresses an objection.

Im a meat eater, i love a steak. I still don't like bullfighting. It smacks of stupidity & its never a fair fight.

Mrmoe

I don't really have a problem with any bloodsport or eating meat. These cows/bulls would probably not even exist if it wasn't for these industries. They are generally well treated and have a good life. There are definitely issues with some aspects of meat production especially poultry.

starbelgrade

Auvers wrote: »

of course its hypocritical but the basic thing is bullfighting is all about primal bloodlust and I just cant get my head around people getting off enjoying seeing an animal suffering

let me pose this question to you, since you have been to a few bullfights and enjoyed the spectacle, would you attend a "fight" if it was between two dogs\bears\horses?

The whole point of bullfighting is not to make an animal suffer. If it were, there are many easier ways of doing so.

As for bear / dog / horse fighting - I never heard of bear or horse fighting, but I'm not sure what the point to dog fighting is, beyond it being a means for people to gamble, so I wouldn't attend one.

Auvers

starbelgrade wrote: »

The whole point of bullfighting is not to make an animal suffer

hahahahahaha post of the day

whats the point so?

SoWatchaWant

I'm as hard hearted as the rest of them, but as 10yr old boy was wounded in the stomach so I'd be slow to mock the people who got hurt...

southsiderosie

Auvers wrote: »

I am a bit confused are you defending Bullfighting?

I am quite aware of the mistreatment of animals by the food industry but that mistreatment is driven by trying to give you a burger for 99c, by doing things on the cheap, I also have a major gripe with this but thats for another thread

all I am trying to say that does not detract from the fact that bullfighting is a barbaric outdated "sport"

So cheap food that is terrible for you is a better justification for killing animals than entertainment or cultural rituals?

Personally, I have no desire to go to a bullfight, and I've lived in Spain and had plenty of opportunities to do so. However, among bullfighting aficionados and participants, the bulls are revered, and the matadors have great respect for them. I don't think we can say the same thing for Perdue, Swift, or Burger King.

Spaniards put a great deal of effort and care into breeding and raising fighting bulls that are then slaughtered for their viewing pleasure. They also put a great deal of effort into breeding and raising pigs that are then slaughtered for their (our) eating pleasure. I make no apologies for my love of jamon iberico, especially since I know that the pig had a much better life running around the forest eating acorns than the pig that died to make a 2-euro ham sandwich at Spar.

stupidusername

Bull fighting is cruel. you can speculate as to how well the animal is treated during its life but taunting an animal like that because some people see it as entertaining is just retarded tbh. Eating animals is a natural thing, it's part of the cycle of life, but where in the rest of nature is an animal used for sport like this?

I've no sympathy for the people that get injured or killed as a result of this, except for any children as they obviously aren't in the position to decide this is what they want to support. If people have their bodies ripped apart because they've something to do with it they deserve it.

fonecrusher1

I say make it a fair fight.

Mount a machine gun on the bulls back & incorporate some sort of laser targeting system in the weapon so that it fires at the little guy that prances around with the red quilt.

It'l be safe enough. As long as the bull doesn't jump up into the......

Auvers

southsiderosie wrote: »

So cheap food that is terrible for you is a better justification for killing animals than entertainment or cultural rituals?

where did I say that I justify animal cruelty by food manufactures to barbaric bullfights

southsiderosie wrote: »

Spaniards put a great deal of effort and care into breeding and raising fighting bulls that are then slaughtered for their viewing pleasure.

fighting Dogs are also revered in Japan, would you defend the people to watch of those "fights" for their viewing pleasure

while your at it head off to Pakistan and defend their bear fights

southsiderosie wrote: »

They also put a great deal of effort into breeding and raising pigs that are then slaughtered for their (our) eating pleasure.

there is a world of difference between that and getting gratification by watching an animal being subjected to barbarity for amusment or "viewing pleasure" as you put it