Remorse

miseeire

Fingers Fingleton is now remorseful over the banking crisis.Obviously not remorseful enough to return the 1 million euro he was "gifted"in 2008.There really should be a type of Guantanamo bay for those jokers.

phkk

+1

Seth Brundle

and another +1

Actually, did you notice that he was wearing Berite's yellow suit?

titular

kbannon wrote: »

and another +1

Actually, did you notice that he was wearing Berite's yellow suit?

I thought he looked quite fetching - In a remorseless, soul-less wánkerish kind of way.

jimmycrackcorm

Don't forget the €27 million pension top up he got in 2007. If there ever was a case to get the IRA back fit a shooting job then he should be a recipient.

I don't say that very lightly either.

oppenheimer1

miseeire wrote: »

Fingers Fingleton is now remorseful over the banking crisis.Obviously not remorseful enough to return the 1 million euro he was "gifted"in 2008.There really should be a type of Guantanamo bay for those jokers.

His name is Michael, not fingers.

miseeire

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

His name is Michael, not fingers.

He is a disgrace to the name.It should be legally removed from him.I think fingers more fits his persona.

oppenheimer1

miseeire wrote: »

He is a disgrace to the name.It should be legally removed from him.I think fingers more fits his persona.

You know him personally do you?

femur61

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

His name is Michael, not fingers.

Fingers is a saying politely what most people are actually thinking. Of course he would say he's remorseful there was a camera stuck in his face.

Bill2673

+ 1; and don't forget the Irish electorate that voted in the jokers that propped these jokers up.....

Bill2673

of course none of us voted them in.....

Bill2673

or bought a house or apartment at the height of the market....

Brussels Sprout

Bill2673 wrote: »

+ 1; and don't forget the Irish electorate that voted in the jokers that propped these jokers up.....

I wasn't aware Fingers Fingleton was elected by the public. Please continue with your wisdom.

Bill2673

....ehh.....Fianna Fail.....galway tent.....property developers.....banks......


does this need to be explained?

femur61

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

You know him personally do you?

Do you? He must a great fella for you to defend him oh yeah the tax payer has just been informed the other day because of him the debt in Irish Nationwide is now nearly 3bn.

Brussels Sprout

Bill2673 wrote: »

....ehh.....Fianna Fail.....galway tent.....property developers.....banks......


does this need to be explained?

The majority of voters did not vote for Fianna Fail.

And for those that did-it's a bit of a leap to say that because they voted for FF that they are responsible for the greed of Fingleton. Do FF get a free pass then?
This probably won't be too popular an opinion but I think too many people on this forum are too eager to accept that the people are ultimately to blame for voting in FF. I'd like to think that a lot of voters genuinely thought that they were a good party and were doing good things for the country. It's very easy to use results orientated thinking with everything that has happened since. However I think passing the buck from FF to their voters is letting FF off the hook for being utterly morally bankrupt. Most people don't have the same level of interest in politics and economics than the average poster in here (more's the shame). As a result it's very easy for a party to lie in their election manifestos with the knowledge that a lot of people will fall for it.

Bill2673

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

The majority of voters did not vote for Fianna Fail.

And for those that did-it's a bit of a leap to say that because they voted for FF that they are responsible for the greed of Fingleton. Do FF get a free pass then?
This probably won't be too popular an opinion but I think too many people on this forum are too eager to accept that the people are ultimately to blame for voting in FF. I'd like to think that a lot of voters genuinely thought that they were a good party and were doing good things for the country. It's very easy to use results orientated thinking with everything that has happened since. However I think passing the buck from FF to their voters is letting FF off the hook for being utterly morally bankrupt. Most people don't have the same level of interest in politics and economics than the average poster in here (more's the shame). As a result it's very easy for a party to lie in their election manifestos with the knowledge that a lot of people will fall for it.

The major damage to this economy was done between 2005 and 2007. In 2007, Fianna Fail was voted in with its best electoral performance for decades; more people voted for Fianna Fail than anyone else; they were clearly the most popular party. It was also quite clear at that time that Fianna Fail politicians were closely connected with property developers, and relied on them for funding. And it was also clear that property developers and banks were closely in league. None of this was a problem for the wider public until the housing market collapsed. The housing market bubble, and implications if it burst, was nowhere near to being an electoral issue in the last election.

Look. No one is accepting responsibility for this. Not the govt, not bertie, not the regulators, not the central bank, not the bankers, not the property developers, and not, judging by your comments, the wider public.

I'm not saying Fingleton and Fitzpatrick were good guys. Far from it. I hope the courts go after them.

But I also remember going to view a modest terrace house 5 years ago, when there were 80 people viewing it, and they had to be divided into 4 groups of twenty to see the place....and the price of the house went 25% over the asking price within a week.....micheal fingleton didn't make that happen.

oppenheimer1

femur61 wrote: »

Do you? He must a great fella for you to defend him oh yeah the tax payer has just been informed the other day because of him the debt in Irish Nationwide is now nearly 3bn.

Well could you please point it out to me where I have defended him? Or are you just going to make stuff up?

dan_d

What Fingleton DID do was run a bank that practiced some extremely questionable ways of doing business that left it totally exposed to a crash. The fact that he may testify at an inquiry is bound to make some people very uncomfortable - it may become extremely clear who knew exactly what was going on in his banks, and other banks.

What he also did was take an over inflated pension and a top up and skip off into the sunset without even an apology, during one of the blackest years the Irish economy has seen and during a time when many others were handing back their bonuses etc (not that it makes them any better).

Why do we always have to drag people who didn't have to get mortgages, and who voted FF into it? It doesn't matter, we're talking about Micheal Fingleton here. And no matter how remorseful he may profess to feel, the fact remains that he oversaw practices that contravened every common sense rule of thumb and accounting practice that has been developed over years of crashes - and the resulting disaster has not affected him in the slightest. Yes, he may have been in a system that was facilitated by FF, but HE was in a position of power, and HE abused it. This is not about FF, it's about Michael Fingleton. (And I'm just looking at his career history - he joined a seminary at one point. The irony!)

I don't want to hear what he has to say, personally, I think his actions have said everything for him.

Brussels Sprout

Bill2673 wrote: »

The major damage to this economy was done between 2005 and 2007. In 2007, Fianna Fail was voted in with its best electoral performance for decades; more people voted for Fianna Fail than anyone else; they were clearly the most popular party. It was also quite clear at that time that Fianna Fail politicians were closely connected with property developers, and relied on them for funding. And it was also clear that property developers and banks were closely in league. None of this was a problem for the wider public until the housing market collapsed. The housing market bubble, and implications if it burst, was nowhere near to being an electoral issue in the last election.

Look. No one is accepting responsibility for this. Not the govt, not bertie, not the regulators, not the central bank, not the bankers, not the property developers, and not, judging by your comments, the wider public.

I'm not saying Fingleton and Fitzpatrick were good guys. Far from it. I hope the courts go after them.

But I also remember going to view a modest terrace house 5 years ago, when there were 80 people viewing it, and they had to be divided into 4 groups of twenty to see the place....and the price of the house went 25% over the asking price within a week.....micheal fingleton didn't make that happen.

I don't disagree with any of this. However in that period between 2005 and 2007 the government along with their economic cheer leaders in the media were telling everyone that there was going to be a soft landing.

At a time when the government should have been trying to cool the property market they were stoking the flames.

You know them ore I write about the this I feel the more I am trying to make up excuses for ignorant people. So, I don't know. I'd like to give the rest of the population more credit then that (maybe that's being too optimistic though)

Seth Brundle

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

His name is Michael, not fingers.

He is giving the two fingers to the taxpayer who is now expected to pay for his mis-management and for his €1m bonus and his €27m pension.
I'll call him whatever I like - referring to fingers would be the the least offensive!

Laminations

On the topic of his pension, where was it invested and how is it holding up? Did he invest in the building society that he drove into the ground?

jmayo

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

His name is Michael, not fingers.

I thought it was only seanie and the fitzpatrick clan you were interested in defending or as you would put it, complaining that their rights to privacy was infringed and unwarranted remarks form the media and the public was unfair ?

And here you are making sure that we all refer to FINGERS fingelton by his proper given name and thus are not unfair to the poor chap. :rolleyes:

femur61 wrote: »

Do you? He must a great fella for you to defend him oh yeah the tax payer has just been informed the other day because of him the debt in Irish Nationwide is now nearly 3bn.

femur61, you should also know that oppenheimer always appears to defend the fitzpatricks as well.
Or maybe I should say he/she tries to set us straight that we are being grossly unfair to their families.

Of course he/she will say that if they have cases to answer then the courts will handle them and their families have nothing to do with the acts OR MONEY of the father.

jmayo

Laminations wrote: »

On the topic of his pension, where was it invested and how is it holding up? Did he invest in the building society that he drove into the ground?

Maybe a Nigerian oilwell ?

Scofflaw

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

The majority of voters did not vote for Fianna Fail.

And for those that did-it's a bit of a leap to say that because they voted for FF that they are responsible for the greed of Fingleton. Do FF get a free pass then?
This probably won't be too popular an opinion but I think too many people on this forum are too eager to accept that the people are ultimately to blame for voting in FF. I'd like to think that a lot of voters genuinely thought that they were a good party and were doing good things for the country. It's very easy to use results orientated thinking with everything that has happened since. However I think passing the buck from FF to their voters is letting FF off the hook for being utterly morally bankrupt. Most people don't have the same level of interest in politics and economics than the average poster in here (more's the shame). As a result it's very easy for a party to lie in their election manifestos with the knowledge that a lot of people will fall for it.

The responsibility, I suppose, lies in the fact that people didn't inquire too into what was happening as long as the boom kept getting boomier. Knowing that Fianna Fáil have a long track record of making an unholy economic mess out of prosperity, it might have behoved them to be a little more sceptical about the methods by which the apparent miracle was being generated.

cordially,
Scofflaw

liammur

Mind you, I haven't heard too many of our politicians saying sorry.

Bill2673

liammur wrote: »

Mind you, I haven't heard too many of our politicians saying sorry.

Have you heard anyone saying sorry?

liammur

I believe Brian Lenihan said sorry, and this must be why he is regarded as the greatest politician in the land!

oppenheimer1

jmayo wrote: »

I thought it was only seanie and the fitzpatrick clan you were interested in defending or as you would put it, complaining that their rights to privacy was infringed and unwarranted remarks form the media and the public was unfair ?

Yes i thought the publishing of a young girls holiday snaps, in a cynical attempt to discredit and destroy her reputation was grossly unfair. It was gutter journalism which the Daily Mail can keep in the UK.

And here you are making sure that we all refer to FINGERS fingelton by his proper given name and thus are not unfair to the poor chap. :rolleyes:

No, I find that the petty name-calling distracts from the real debate. How can one have a serious discussion when posters show this level of intelligence?

femur61, you should also know that oppenheimer always appears to defend the fitzpatricks as well.
Or maybe I should say he/she tries to set us straight that we are being grossly unfair to their families.

Of course he/she will say that if they have cases to answer then the courts will handle them and their families have nothing to do with the acts OR MONEY of the father.

If you read my posts carefully you will see that I never defend the FitzPatrick family. I am just annoyed at the way the family has been scapegoated. The disaster that has befallen the Irish economy would have happened with or without Anglo. They were a symptom rather than a cause.

miseeire

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

You know him personally do you?

I wonder if you are of the same ilk?

Bill2673

liammur wrote: »

I believe Brian Lenihan said sorry, and this must be why he is regarded as the greatest politician in the land!

yeah, but like.....well I wasn;t minister for finance until well after all the mess was made, so clearly that has damn all to with me, but sorry anyways guys.

Wonder will he say sorry for making such a balls of the banks gaurantee.

liammur

Now you're talking

oppenheimer1

miseeire wrote: »

I wonder if you are of the same ilk?

Care to explain what you mean?

Head The Wall

Laminations wrote: »

On the topic of his pension, where was it invested and how is it holding up? Did he invest in the building society that he drove into the ground?

I remember reading that it was now worth around 3 million. It was probably an unsubstantiated fact in one of the papers though

jmayo

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Yes i thought the publishing of a young girls holiday snaps, in a cynical attempt to discredit and destroy her reputation was grossly unfair. It was gutter journalism which the Daily Mail can keep in the UK.

Except AFAIK you never responded on substantive issue that same individual benefitted hugely from daddy's bank, including getting a mortgage when she was only in her teens.

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

No, I find that the petty name-calling distracts from the real debate. How can one have a serious discussion when posters show this level of intelligence?

Ah come on now we can still refer to these unethical individuals, that helped sink the country and leave us all (man woman and child) holding somehting like 6,000 of debt, with nicknames and have a realistic adult discussion.

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

If you read my posts carefully you will see that I never defend the FitzPatrick family. I am just annoyed at the way the family has been scapegoated. The disaster that has befallen the Irish economy would have happened with or without Anglo. They were a symptom rather than a cause.

Ah but you always ride in and defend them by trying to often lessen their actions.
You actually are doing so right now by claiming the disaster befalling the Irish economy would have been as bad as it is without Anglo.

You claim they were a symptom when most people, including finanical analysts and commentators, would now admit they were one of the trendsetters and helped create the virus of excessive unmanaged lending for property development that spread to all the other institutions.
They were the benchmark of how to bring in massive profits.
Most of the losses being written off by the taxpayers is down to Anglo so less of the sh**e things would be as bad wiothout them.
It is probably going to cost us above 50 billion (include NAMA, recapitalisation, loss of banking to businesses. etc.)

So they were not just some symptom as you would have us all believe.

Anyway how are the fitzpatricks does these days ?

Liam Byrne

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

The disaster that has befallen the Irish economy would have happened with or without Anglo. They were a symptom rather than a cause.

Please tell me that you don't believe this ?

Firstly, the disaster would be a lot smaller if the billions that FF inexplicably pumped into Anglo were available to give people real jobs in viable companies.

Secondly, the "untouchables" that ran the likes of Anglo are the ones who pushed greed to the limit in this country, and while I'd be perfectly OK if they took their own gambles, made the profits, and faced the consequences, the fact that I have to contribute to bail them out is what makes this 100% unjust and unethical.

I saw none of their profits, so why should I pay for their failures ? Why should they - supposedly "bankrupt" - still swan around in big cars and big houses while PAYE workers are having their modest houses reclaimed and their ESB cut off ?

People EARN respect. They also lose it by their actions. Fingleton is lucky that that's all we're calling him.

Useless, incompetent idiots run companies into the ground, dragging us all with them, aided and abetted by FF, and THEY get €27,000,000 of a pension while the rest of us scrape by ?

Capitalism and greed at it's very worst.

femur61

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Well could you please point it out to me where I have defended him? Or are you just going to make stuff up?

Maybe you didn't defend him but the man deserves to be called Fingers Fingleton calling him Michael would deem to much respect for him.

Liam Byrne

Here's another one for oppenheimer1 to reflect on.

Anglo gave (selected and well-connected) developers FAR TOO MUCH MONEY.

Those developers were then under pressure to pay that back, even though it wasn't feasible to do so. Anglo didn't do "due diligence" until someone else was footing the bill.

Because the developers had massive loans to pay back, they overcharged.

Yes, there was greed on the part of the big developers, who should have said no, and yes the other banks started to follow the pattern, giving unsuitable mortgages.

Yes, people should have said no to those mortgages, but they were "reassured" by FF in order to keep the unsustainable stamp duty and VAT rolling in.

So can we say "we would have been in this mess even without Anglo" ? Probably not, in my view.

We would be in a mess, but definitely not one of the scale that we are in, based on the two points earlier and the above combined.

oppenheimer1

jmayo wrote: »

Ah come on now we can still refer to these unethical individuals, that helped sink the country and leave us all (man woman and child) holding somehting like 6,000 of debt, with nicknames and have a realistic adult discussion.

I feel this point merits its own post and will address the rest of your comments later. In a proper adult discussion there is no place for diminutive or insulting nicknames. All they do is lower the tone to childish squabbling and the main points while often eloquent, get lost in the noise. I don't hold this opinion just for the former execs of the banks but other names which frequently appear like clowen, lendahand, inda, brutal, gormless, beards etc.

I'd like to think the debate here is of a smaller quantity but of a higher standard than the other politics discussion boards in Ireland.

jmayo

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I feel this point merits its own post and will address the rest of your comments later. In a proper adult discussion there is no place for diminutive or insulting nicknames. All they do is lower the tone to childish squabbling and the main points while often eloquent, get lost in the noise. I don't hold this opinion just for the former execs of the banks but other names which frequently appear like clowen, lendahand, inda, brutal, gormless, beards etc.

I'd like to think the debate here is of a smaller quantity but of a higher standard than the other politics discussion boards in Ireland.

That's it I am going to tell Dave over on p.ie what you said about his forum.

oppenherimer you can argue about this till you are blue in the face, but I will only show those people I respect any repsect in return.
Thus I do use the names clowen, lendahand, etc and I refuse to even use capitals for their names as I deem them unworthy of that respect.

These people have never shown me nor my family any respect when they made their decisions that have consigned us to unncessary hardship.
Even though it is seen as an extremily non Irish thing to say, but I couldn't care less if lenihan croaks.
He means nothing to me, but another face of what ff stand for and that is for themselves and their supporters.
He represents everything I despise.
He has used his office to help scupper the country for the benefit of a few and just because he is more educated and better able to put across his point does not mean his point is any more correct or any more honest.

His true colours were shown the day he stood up in the Dáil and vehemently supported a fellow legal professional who had lied to the second highest court in the land.
And I will continue to remind you of this fact everytime you praise him and laud his supposed acheivements.

As for his acheivements, what are they ?
Oh yes he refuses to discuss his decisions that have resulted in us the taxpayers of little old Ireland having to now take on the private multi billion euro debts of some very high flying ff connected bankers, developers and entrepreneurs.
He has sold the current and future taxpayers down the river to save what, the biggest corporate loss making venture in the world in 2009.

I hold the motto "respect the rank and not the man" does not even hold true anymore as these people have sullied the office they hold.

John_Mc

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I feel this point merits its own post and will address the rest of your comments later. In a proper adult discussion there is no place for diminutive or insulting nicknames. All they do is lower the tone to childish squabbling and the main points while often eloquent, get lost in the noise. I don't hold this opinion just for the former execs of the banks but other names which frequently appear like clowen, lendahand, inda, brutal, gormless, beards etc.

I'd like to think the debate here is of a smaller quantity but of a higher standard than the other politics discussion boards in Ireland.

Why do you need to address the points made to you in this thread, in another post? You've made these ridiculous statements and many people have countered - seems like you're running away from having to respond to them.

Have it out here, or please- keep your comments to yourself.

oppenheimer1

jmayo wrote: »

That's it I am going to tell Dave over on p.ie what you said about his forum.

oppenherimer you can argue about this till you are blue in the face, but I will only show those people I respect any repsect in return.
Thus I do use the names clowen, lendahand, etc and I refuse to even use capitals for their names as I deem them unworthy of that respect.

These people have never shown me nor my family any respect when they made their decisions that have consigned us to unncessary hardship.
Even though it is seen as an extremily non Irish thing to say, but I couldn't care less if lenihan croaks.
He means nothing to me, but another face of what ff stand for and that is for themselves and their supporters.
He represents everything I despise.
He has used his office to help scupper the country for the benefit of a few and just because he is more educated and better able to put across his point does not mean his point is any more correct or any more honest.

His true colours were shown the day he stood up in the Dáil and vehemently supported a fellow legal professional who had lied to the second highest court in the land.
And I will continue to remind you of this fact everytime you praise him and laud his supposed acheivements.

As for his acheivements, what are they ?
Oh yes he refuses to discuss his decisions that have resulted in us the taxpayers of little old Ireland having to now take on the private multi billion euro debts of some very high flying ff connected bankers, developers and entrepreneurs.
He has sold the current and future taxpayers down the river to save what, the biggest corporate loss making venture in the world in 2009.

I hold the motto "respect the rank and not the man" does not even hold true anymore as these people have sullied the office they hold.

Just a brief reply, it isn't even about respect. Its pretty well known around these parts you're not well, ahem, "fond" of the current administration. The point is that by referring to these individuals by derisive nicknames simply constitutes baiting, eliciting only an emotional response from those brave enough to enter the thread on the opposing side. It stifles debate.

Although my point isn't about respect, I find it disheartening that you can find it ok to deride a fellow human being, politician or not. In the end its only money.

John_Mc

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Although my point isn't about respect, I find it disheartening that you can find it ok to deride a fellow human being, politician or not. In the end its only money.

You tell that to the 400,000+ out of work and living on the dole. Tell the people losing their house that it's only money.

oppenheimer1

John_Mc wrote: »

Why do you need to address the points made to you in this thread, in another post? You've made these ridiculous statements and many people have countered - seems like you're running away from having to respond to them.

Have it out here, or please- keep your comments to yourself.

I am well aware others have countered, I'm not blind and I can read. I wanted a response to my main point before I responded to this thread further. I din't wand my main argument to get buried in a torrent of anti-govenment and possibly personal abuse which is likely to follow.

When I get the time, I will give a considered reply to you all. I won't run away. I never do.

jonsnow

If its only money why doesn,t FINGERS give back the million to the taxpayer or at least to charity like he said he would (and the rest of his goldplated pension while hes at it).I think he puts a higher value on it than some of his cheerleaders.

Lenihan is no hero just more FF scum.One of the "born to rule" ones.His story of the week is insisting on giving a pay increase to the anglo boys which was higher than the recommended levels of his own department because they were working hard !!(at shredding documents no doubt).Dukes then turned around and cut his pay by 100000(or so he claims).So what the hell was lenihan thinking if even the chairman felt he was being overpaid!!!What reckless diregard and contempt does this show for the taxpayer.

Brussels Sprout

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

The point is that by referring to these individuals by derisive nicknames simply constitutes baiting,
............................................................................................................
......................... In the end its only money.

this is a level right?

rumour

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Care to explain what you mean?

:pac: Can we call you Nicky??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicky_Oppenheimer

Laminations

Fingers is a completely appropriate name, if it's derisive that's because he DESERVES derision. But I think it's more descriptive, he had his Fingers in the cookie jar, he's given the tax payer the Fingers etc.

As for Seanies daughter, I think the pics were fair game, I want to see where my tax money is going, I want to see what bankrupt looks like, I want to see the lack of remorse and tact that exists in that family. She got a mortgage under the legal age with no income source, what's the legal ramifications for her or her daddy? She's involved in daddys property companies, she took a 2 year round the world trip while the rest of us faced into a recession- I wanna see what a good time she's had, it's evidence that fuels her deservedness for derision

jmayo

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Just a brief reply, it isn't even about respect. Its pretty well known around these parts you're not well, ahem, "fond" of the current administration. The point is that by referring to these individuals by derisive nicknames simply constitutes baiting, eliciting only an emotional response from those brave enough to enter the thread on the opposing side. It stifles debate.

Although my point isn't about respect, I find it disheartening that you can find it ok to deride a fellow human being, politician or not. In the end its only money.

Spoken with true fitzpatrick fingelton arrogance.
Every so often the mask is revealed showing the flippant attitude that makes it so apparent why you so often come on defending these people and their families.
You are it appears cut form the same cloth.

It's usaully the ones that have lots of money that tend to see money as something petty and trifling.


Why don't you tell that line to the families of those who have lost businesses, not bubble enterprises, but real businesses that were productive, around for generations, and survived hard times until the banks would no longer allow them necessary credit.
These were businesses that employed a few people and thus kept a few families going.

These are the same banks that ar** licked some very well connected individuals usually connected to ff, so that they could spend billions buying over priced property that is now worthless and hanging like a millstone around the necks of the taxpayers.
These are the same banks that only survive because your hero is willing to throw my taxes and the taxes of every other taxpayer current and future at them.

It is only money to you, but that money can make a big difference to normal families and ordinary people.
It can mean a decent standard of living, it can mean more opportunities for the children, it can mean better care for the elderly.
It can mean better health care for the young, the old and the sick.

Why don't you tell that to the likes of Orla Tinsley a cystic fibrosis sufferer who has campaigned for years to have dedicated cystic fibrosis wards in our hospitals ?


Yes I would be one of the most vocal anti ff and anti government posters around here.
Personally speaking I would have no problem seeing them all swing from a tree and if ever they need someone to kick the stools from under them I will gladly do it.

They have ruined this country and have done so for generations.
The list of ff politicans throughout it's history I admire I could count on one hand.

I detest a lot of ff supporters, indeed people like you, who excuse the sh** they pull, all because somewhere along the line they probably benefit from the policies or rather the strokes they pull.

rumour

In case anybody missed it...check this out....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1278799/While-Se-n-FitzPatrick-ruining-economy---business-partner-daughter-living-life-.html

oppenheimer1

Laminations wrote: »

As for Seans daughter, I think the pics were fair game, I want to see where my tax money is going, I want to see what bankrupt looks like, I want to see the lack of remorse and tact that exists in that family. She got a mortgage under the legal age with no income source, what's the legal ramifications for her or her daddy? She's involved in daddys property companies, she took a 2 year round the world trip while the rest of us faced into a recession- I wanna see what a good time she's had, it's evidence that fuels her deservedness for derision

So just because Ireland entered recession its an excuse to stop people from having a good time? How do you know how she financed her trip? Indeed what right do we have to comment on it when she has been implicated in no wrongdoing.

Would you have the same opinion if a family had its facebook photos put in a national newspaper because they are now facing difficulties paying the mortgage but at the time of the holiday things were ok at the time?

Or is it one code of conduct expected from the FitzPatricks and another for the rest?