Shooting from boat

kay 9

Lads, as above, seen something strange this evening on the lake near me, a lad with a boat and engine trolling around the shore and shooting. Not sure what he was shooting though. Ducks I suppose. Is it legal or what?
First I seen it done. If it's legal, I'm sorry I didnt think of it before.

jap gt

if he is shooting duck its illegal, and im fairly sure its illegal to shoot from a moving boat but im open to correction on that

kay 9

jap gt wrote: »

if he is shooting duck its illegal, and im fairly sure its illegal to shoot from a moving boat but im open to correction on that

Thanks for prompt reply, yeah I thought it was peculiar alright.

kay 9

Seems its ok from a moored or anchored boathttp://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055997704&highlight=boat+shooting&page=2

hmm..easy enough move and then "anchor" again:rolleyes: Handy way of duck shooting though.

jap gt

did you know the man

jwshooter

report the asshole as he will fu0k it up for every one

kay 9

Oh I know him alright. He might know it was me that reported him is the only thing. Ah sure if he does he does, same fella I was goinng to report about a year ago for shooting somewhere no man has ever shot or brought a gun before:mad: As ye say he will ruin it on everyone else. Is it local garda I report such an incident to or some shooting body?

jap gt

id say garda would do to report it, doubt they will be of much use though without proof he was shooting duck, is he in a gun club...

if not maybe the club might have a quite chat with him

kay 9

Just his own club:rolleyes: They wont do much without me having proof. Maybe better to wait and get pics? He has a 223 aswell and shouldn't.

jap gt

kay 9 wrote: »

Just his own club:rolleyes: They wont do much without me having proof. Maybe better to wait and get pics? He has a 223 aswell and shouldn't.

do you mean he hasnt a licence?? if so i would defo report the prick

kay 9

He has licences alright afaik. Think I'll wait and get pics because if he gets wise to reports going in about him he will smart up till the heat is off again. Better to go to the garda armed(excuse pun)

deerhunter1

jap gt wrote: »

if he is shooting duck its illegal, and im fairly sure its illegal to shoot from a moving boat but im open to correction on that

I think you can shoot fro a "moving boat" as long as you are not using an engine,ie someone rowing is ok I think

locum-motion

deerhunter1 wrote: »

I think you can shoot fro a "moving boat" as long as you are not using an engine,ie someone rowing is ok I think

That's not what the consensus seemed to be on the other thread.

Mountainy Jack

I think you should be careful, you said yourself you are not sure what he was shooting.

If he was shooting duck, he could argue the boat was stopped etc. but he would have more of a job explaining why he was doing it in August.

wildfowler94

No.1 Its August Duck Shooting Season From 1st September - January 31st
Its Illegal
2. Moving Boat Powerd By Engine Illegal
This W**ker Will Ruin It For Us Responsable Shooters
If You No Him Reprt Him To Your Local Sation And Your District HQ...
What A C**t..:mad:

Vegeta

Section 36 of the Wildlife Act, 1976 as amended by Section 44 of the Wildlife (Amendment) Act, 2000 says the following:

1. Notwithstanding anything contained in this Act apart from this section but subject to, section 42, a person shall not hunt or disturb for the purpose of hunting—
   1. any protected wild animal by means of a mechanically-propelled vehicle, vessel or aircraft, whether it is being so propelled or is stationary,
   2. any protected wild bird by means of such a vehicle, vessel or aircraft while it is being so propelled.

The bits in red were removed in an amendment made in 2000

That's the legal side of things so if he was shooting anything while it was moving then he is in trouble.

rugerman

its like the m50 down our way opening morning assholes most of them using 30hp or more chasing them up and down river its another topic should be well adressed to the relevent athorities . as i shoot duck my self i think leaving the ducks alone till october should be brought in aswell

Birdnuts

rugerman wrote: »

its like the m50 down our way opening morning assholes most of them using 30hp or more chasing them up and down river its another topic should be well adressed to the relevent athorities . as i shoot duck my self i think leaving the ducks alone till october should be brought in aswell

+1.

Across the Pond there has been a big fall in the number of many Duck species with Mallard and Pochard among the worst hit www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/waterbirds-uk.html.

Given the devastation mink alone have wrought on breeding wildfowl here eg. (they've basically wiped out what was once the biggest breeding mallard colony in the UK and Ireland on Lough Carra Co. Mayo in the last 20years) duck shooting needs to be carefully regulated with zero tolerance for cowboys!!

rugerman

in our village they have 50-60 tame ducks down by the river and i fish there i see a grey crow take 8 ducklings in 20mins i asked around to see if i cud shoot whatever greys are down there and they said no guns

SpringerF

Whether this link is applicable to this event or not I dont know.

http://www.wilddeerireland.com/report-crime.html

yessam

The illegal practice of shooting from boats is quiet common. On most of the big lakes on the 1st of September you will see a boat crawling along by the reeds with a gun man sitting to the front of the boat hoping to get a shot at a duck that might rise from the reeds.
I have been talking about this at gun club meeting for years and there seem to be very little that can be done about it without the evidence.
I have also seen boats going into sanctuary areas where mallard was reared to drive out the ducks to waiting guns.
Shooters should be more responsible and respect the law and the duck.

SpringerF

No more punt guns so I suppose:D

kay 9

Mountainy Jack wrote: »

I think you should be careful, you said yourself you are not sure what he was shooting.

If he was shooting duck, he could argue the boat was stopped etc. but he would have more of a job explaining why he was doing it in August.

I think I'll wait until I get more evidence lads, more to work with;) I'm sure I'll see this cowboy again. I pretty much have the lake at my front door and will keep the binos close by.

bunny shooter

Birdnuts wrote: »

+1.

Across the Pond there has been a big fall in the number of many Duck species with Mallard and Pochard among the worst hit www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/waterbirds-uk.html.

Given the devastation mink alone have wrought on breeding wildfowl here eg. (they've basically wiped out what was once the biggest breeding mallard colony in the UK and Ireland on Lough Carra Co. Mayo in the last 20years) duck shooting needs to be carefully regulated with zero tolerance for cowboys!!

So wouldn't carefully 'regulating' the mink be a better idea?

jap gt

a few of us wer talking about mink last night, one lad suggested that a bounty should be brought out for mink similar to foxes

Birdnuts

bunny shooter wrote: »

So wouldn't carefully 'regulating' the mink be a better idea?

Totally agree - i was just pointing out that many wildfowl species are already under pressure to the extent that losses from illegal hunting(which is the subject of this thread) are now even more damaging to remaining populations:(

bunny shooter

Ilegal and legal hunting are are nothing compared to the damage mink are doing. And a lot of the current mink populations ancestors were released by animal rights activists :rolleyes:

Easy option to blame hunting IMO :mad:

johngalway

If the Government/wildlife agencies/concerned other were remotely serious about the mink there they'd press hard and get a bounty put on mink. They're an invasive alien species that need to be wiped out, no if's, and's, but's, or maybe's.

bunny shooter

johngalway wrote: »

If the Government/wildlife agencies/concerned other were remotely serious about the mink there they'd press hard and get a bounty put on mink. They're an invasive alien species that need to be wiped out, no if's, and's, but's, or maybe's.

The Government should put a bounty on mink & grey squirrel as JG says and a lot of unemployed shooters & hunters will soon make them very endangered I reckon in a short time :cool:

Extra VAT would be collected on shells, traps and bullets. Firearms dealers sales would increase........... Pity the Greens aren't promoting this kind of policy :rolleyes:

Birdnuts

bunny shooter wrote: »

Ilegal and legal hunting are are nothing compared to the damage mink are doing. And a lot of the current mink populations ancestors were released by animal rights activists :rolleyes:

Easy option to blame hunting IMO :mad:

Please re-read my post - I'm not blaming hunting!! I'm merely pointing out that the last thing already decimated populations of wildfowl need is the activities of cowboys acting outside the law.

PS: I'm not an AR activist either and consider the release of mink by these people as an act of appalling environmental sabotage against Irelands Natural Heritage!!:mad:

Feargal as Luimneach

Illegal hunting bad.
Mink bad.
Simples!

Grizzly 45

SpringerF wrote: »

No more punt guns so I suppose:D

Would be stil legal,if you could get BP and enough shot to fill one of those cannons.

bunny shooter

Birdnuts wrote: »

Please re-read my post - I'm not blaming hunting!! I'm merely pointing out that the last thing already decimated populations of wildfowl need is the activities of cowboys acting outside the law.

Don't need to :rolleyes: Maybe you should re-read mine I'm sure every hunter here would agree that the "cowboys" need to be sorted out BUT that is not an easy thing to do when the PTB won't do anything when they're reported.

Birdnuts wrote: »

PS: I'm not an AR activist either and consider the release of mink by these people as an act of appalling environmental sabotage against Irelands Natural Heritage!!:mad:

I didn't say or infer you are/were but obviuosly I touched a nerve I simply made a statement that is all too often forgotten by those who see hunters as the problem :rolleyes: