Peugout 407 1.6 hdi 2005

Bobby A

Hi
I have a 2005 407 that is going for NCT next week , a warning light comes on for about 4 secs and states that The Particle Filter is too low.
Will it pass ?
Also i have a smell of fumes when i turn on the aircon would this be connected.

Thanks

Row

Bobby A wrote: »

Hi
I have a 2005 407 that is going for NCT next week , a warning light comes on for about 4 secs and states that The Particle Filter is too low.
Will it pass ?
Also i have a smell of fumes when i turn on the aircon would this be connected.

Thanks

Not so sure if it will pass the Nct but you need the eloys additive topped up and reset the dpf system before the warning will go out....I guessing the warning message is "fluid to low"
As for the smell of fumes in the cabin....have alook around the injectors for signs of a black carbon substance... injector seals should sort it but the injectors(s) will have to be removed to replace them...:)
this may help.... http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055752516&highlight
Ron.

scooby girl no1

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055996023&page=2

you can do what my friend has done with his peugeot 407,
call in to Sportchip.ie in Dublin, they can switch off control of dpf filter,
he paid €350 and get rid of the problem once for all

Row

scooby girl no1 wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055996023&page=2

you can do what my friend has done with his peugeot 407,
call in to Sportchip.ie in Dublin, they can switch off control of dpf filter,
he paid €350 and get rid of the problem once for all

Do superchips Physically remove the dpf from the car or do
they just alter the engine ecu's software for €350 ....???
Ron.

JimmyCrackCorn

Row wrote: »

Do superchips Physically remove the dpf from the car or do
they just alter the engine ecu's software for €350 ....???
Ron.

id assume they just disable the check flag on the ecu

Row

The 407 hdi's use different sensors that are used to run the dpf regen process..
e.g. up stream/down stream differential pressure sensor,dpf temp sensor,
fuel tank sensor which partly controls the additive dosing,
when the dpf is due a regen the engine ecu advances the timing of the engine brings on fans...heated rear window& rearview mirror all to put a load on the engine to bring up the dpf temp to burn off the sooth.....Just wondering how they get around all these obstacles...

scooby girl no1

Row wrote: »

Do superchips Physically remove the dpf from the car or do
they just alter the engine ecu's software for €350 ....???
Ron.

it is Sportchip !!!

I've been told that they can remove filter if someone will request that, its extra cost and it isn't expensive

that guy I know didn't have to remove his filter, job was done only on ecu but I would not know details other than he's happy cause car doesn't give him trouble any more, he also has mentioned that Sportchip is doing some jobs for Peugeot garage

bazz26

Just curious, would a faulty or removed DPF cause a car to fail the emmissiones test in the NCT?

Row

scooby girl no1 wrote: »

it is Sportchip !!!

I've been told that they can remove filter if someone will request that, its extra cost and it isn't expensive

that guy I know didn't have to remove his filter, job was done only on ecu but I would not know details other than he's happy cause car doesn't give him trouble any more, he also has mentioned that Sportchip is doing some jobs for Peugeot garage

Sorry about the mispelling.....They dpf would need to be removed otherwise it would block totally create back pressure and cause turbo/engine failure...:eek:

scooby girl no1

Row wrote: »

Sorry about the mispelling.....They dpf would need to be removed otherwise it would block totally create back pressure and cause turbo/engine failure...:eek:

sorry my mistake , I've talked to him after work and he said he went to mechanic after the job in Sportchip and removed the filter

Du1

hi row i am getting particle filter urgent on my 407 1.6 hdi only have it a few weeks and light came on checked eloys and still 1/3 full i was wondering would it be the filter ?? any help would be really great thanks

Row

Du1 wrote: »

hi row i am getting particle filter urgent on my 407 1.6 hdi only have it a few weeks and light came on checked eloys and still 1/3 full i was wondering would it be the filter ?? any help would be really great thanks

Usually when one of the dpf related sensors fail and it cannot carry out a dpf regen can bring up this fault.
The only way to find out is to get a diagnostic plugin to find out.
The condition of your dpf can also be checked on live data using a good level
diagnostic equipment.
Post your location as there maybe someone on here to help out...:)

Du1

I am from dundalk i only bought it a few weeks ago and i have various warning lights coming on abs and esp light and dipped headlight fault alot of beeping when you start the car

Du1

Thanks Row really appreciate it

Row

No problem....The 407's do beep alot but that also goes for alot of the newer
cars today...:eek:
I don't have any contacts in Dundalk but most good independent garages with a good level diagnostic equipment should be able to read a 407.

A full diagnostic check will pin point whats causing the "Particle filter regeneration urgent" message and find out (which i'm guessing) which
abs speed sensor has failed..:)

Is the actual dipped bulb blown...?
Its best to use good quality bulbs and i tend to replace both at the same time.

If you bought your 407 from a Garage get it back to them...If you bought it private then spend a few quid on getting it sorted.
Post up the fault codes that are logged and i'll try my best to help out...;)

George Dalton

Du1, I know a good guy in Newry if you are having trouble finding someone to check the car out for you. PM me if you want his details.

The 407 is an under-rated car I reckon. They aren't a bad car at all in my opinion once you know your way around them. They have their issues like any car but most of them are easy enough to sort out and not too hard on the pocket either. For example those ABS sensors are troublesome but are also very cheap from Peugeot so it's not that big a deal when they fail.

Du1

cheers row for the advise would it be worth my while investing in a code reader ? and would you recommend it ? i see one on e bay


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CAR-FAULT-CODE-READER-ENGINE-SCANNER-DIAGNOSTIC-RESET-TOOL-OBD-2-CAN-BUS-/140611230014?pt=UK_Diagnostic_Tools_Equipment&hash=item20bd15193e#ht_1648wt_826

Du1

thanks george would love details is he all right on the pocket ??

George Dalton

I don't know I have never used him. I just know him through the trade and I am aware that he knows his stuff. I will PM you his details.

Du1

cheers george : )

Stovepipe

I've a pain in me hole with my peugeot. ABS sensor on again (2nd) and depoll light on. Filter changed and additive topped up last time, stinks in the cabin and injector seal changed this time. Next time around, peugeot will be off the list!

regards
Stovepipe

Du1

maybe cabin filter ???

Stovepipe

Where is it located in the car? If it can be changed, I'd do it.

regards
Stovepipe

Row

Stovepipe wrote: »

Where is it located in the car? If it can be changed, I'd do it.

regards
Stovepipe

The pollen filter is in the pass side footwell...see attached diagram..:)



The 407's have common faults such as faulty Abs sensors..leaking injector seals(1.6hdi) and particle filter additive topup + replacment/cleaning of dpf.
You've seemed to have came across all these at the same time..:(

Row

Du1 wrote: »

cheers row for the advise would it be worth my while investing in a code reader ? and would you recommend it ? i see one on e bay


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CAR-FAULT-CODE-READER-ENGINE-SCANNER-DIAGNOSTIC-RESET-TOOL-OBD-2-CAN-BUS-/140611230014?pt=UK_Diagnostic_Tools_Equipment&hash=item20bd15193e#ht_1648wt_826

These are fine for just reading faults....some readers have live data which is
handy when fault finding.....for the money it looks o.k...:)

A few years back i bought one of these and tbh its a great tool and works on all most makes/models..:)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/U581-Diagnostic-Fault-Code-Reader-Scanner-Memoscan-CAN-OBD2-/160747120524?pt=UK_Diagnostic_Tools_Equipment&hash=item256d46678c

Du1

cheers row i was looking at that one as well just did'nt know which one thanks for the advise handy to be able to ask its great :D:D:D:D

Row

Du1 wrote: »

cheers row i was looking at that one as well just did'nt know which one thanks for the advise handy to be able to ask its great :D:D:D:D

No Problem....If you really want to push out the boat get one of these.
http://www.ebay.ie/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570&_nkw=lexia+3
Load the software onto a xp laptop and you can do virtually everything with Peugeot/Citroen..;)
As dealer tools go lexia 3 is great value...:cool:

Du1

i ordered this one today row i will let you know how i get on
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300661179601&ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:IE:1123

Row

Du1 wrote: »

i ordered this one today row i will let you know how i get on
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300661179601&ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:IE:1123

Its a great tool for the money and the beauty of it it will work on nearly all
makes/models (engine ecu only)
Also it can be updated free on the net.:)
Post up any p-codes you pick up..;)

Du1

well row just after getting the scanner after it was delivered to the wrong address .......... got a few codes
p 2408
p 1351
the first one is i think to do with the fuel cap sensor
and the second is the glow plugs ..... would this show the fault on the particle air filter ????

Row

Du1 wrote: »

well row just after getting the scanner after it was delivered to the wrong address .......... got a few codes
p 2408
p 1351
the first one is i think to do with the fuel cap sensor
and the second is the glow plugs ..... would this show the fault on the particle air filter ????

Your on the ball Du1.

P2408 Additive system : Fuel tank cap sensor signal fault
P1351 Pre-heating relay circuit : Coherence ; Relay supplied and glow plugs not supplied

To check the fuel cap sensor get yourself/borrow a digital multimeter and if i remember correctly you should be getting around 17-18 ohms when the fuel cap sensor is on and high resistance when cap is open.
You'll pick up a fuel cap sensor up north for around €40 at the dealers
(€94 down south..:mad:)

As for the Glow plugs just be very careful as the tips of the plugs can break
very easy in the head...its best remove them when the engine is hot.

To get you going for the moment a fuel cap sensor should get your dpf to regenerate correctly again...:)
Best of luck...;)

Du1

cheers row great info:) i was just wondering would the fuel cap not locking have anything to do with the sensor ?

Row

Du1 wrote: »

cheers row great info:) i was just wondering would the fuel cap not locking have anything to do with the sensor ?

No...the fuel cap itself has two magnets which make the sensor in the fuel filling pipe when closed....it maybe worth checking if these magnets are intact..?
Sounds like the fuel cap locking actuator has failed if its not locking....

Du1

well row is this what i am looking for ???
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110836629719?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1431.l2649#ht_500wt_1133

got a price on 4 heater plugs 50 bosch

Row

Du1 wrote: »

well row is this what i am looking for ???
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110836629719?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1431.l2649#ht_500wt_1133

got a price on 4 heater plugs 50 bosch

Thats the one alright...Part no 1507 70.
just don't bid any more than £35 as thats what the dealers charge up
North...:)
If you plan to fit it yourself then you'll have to drop the diesel tank down a few inches feed the harness between the tank and body.The sensor is plugged in under the rear seat (beside fuel gauge) green connector.
You'll also have to remove the wheel arch cover to gain access to the diesel
filling pipe....Best of luck with the auction..;)

Du1

cheers row, does the dpf light on in the dash mean the car will be harder on juice just notice that it is using more than usual ??

Row

Du1 wrote: »

cheers row, does the dpf light on in the dash mean the car will be harder on juice just notice that it is using more than usual ??

Yes..when one of the dpf sensors fail the engine ecu runs the regeneration
process default so it will be harder on diesel..when you fit the fuelcap sensor
clear faults and take it for a hard drive and it should be fine.

€50 for 4 bosch glow plugs is a good price...As i said be Very carful when removing the old plugs as they tend to be very difficult to remove due to carbon buildup on the tip of the plugs.
Best of luck.

Du1

Thanks very much row i will let you know how i get on

Du1

can anyone help with this problem i have when i unlock my car the( it only happen sometimes ) wiper that ment to wipe 2nd goes first and busts off the other wiper ???? and the odd time the wipers keep going even when keys are out i have to disconnect the battery to reset it ?? any help would be appreciated

Row

Du1 wrote: »

can anyone help with this problem i have when i unlock my car the( it only happen sometimes ) wiper that ment to wipe 2nd goes first and busts off the other wiper ???? and the odd time the wipers keep going even when keys are out i have to disconnect the battery to reset it ?? any help would be appreciated

Did you fit aftermarket xenon lights...?

Du1

ah good man row to tell you the truth i did replace a few bulbs but i dont know the quality of them do you recommend i get a full set from a peugeot dealer ??

Row

Du1 wrote: »

ah good man row to tell you the truth i did replace a few bulbs but i dont know the quality of them do you recommend i get a full set from a peugeot dealer ??

Not so bad and yourself Du1..:)
The only reason why i asked if you fitted xenon lights was i have come across a few 407 owners with the same problem and it was down to them fitting aftermarket xenon bulbs.
The xenons don't draw as much power as the regular bulbs and tend the damage a chip in each of the wiper motors...Peugeot will replace both wiper motors for this fault but theres a fix which involves soldering in new microchips into each of the motors.
btw bsi problems can also cause these problems so you would need to get it checked out and make sure its the wipers that are at fault..;)
Ron.

Du1

i am good row : ) hope you are keeping well ..the previous owner had them light bulbs in i changed them for ordinary hoping the light fault would go off.... will peugeot repair it free as its a fault ??...or does it cost much to get this other chip fitted?? the car is due for nct soon so i wanted to try and get it sorted and i have new wiper blades but dont want to fit them for them to break again ..btw bsi problems ??? what are they ??. thank for the reply row

Row

Du1 wrote: »

i am good row : ) hope you are keeping well ..the previous owner had them light bulbs in i changed them for ordinary hoping the light fault would go off.... will peugeot repair it free as its a fault ??...or does it cost much to get this other chip fitted?? the car is due for nct soon so i wanted to try and get it sorted and i have new wiper blades but dont want to fit them for them to break again ..btw bsi problems ??? what are they ??. thank for the reply row

These are them Du1..:)
If it had the xenons fitted then the damage is done..:(

Here are the these chips there called LIN transceivers,these should sort out your problem if your handy with a soldering iron...:)
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/can-transceivers/4837531/?searchTerm=tja1020&relevancy-data=636F3D3226696E3D4931384E4B6E6F776E41734D504E266C753D656E266D6D3D6D61746368616C6C7061727469616C26706D3D5E5C772B2426706F3D313326736E3D592673743D4D414E5F504152545F4E554D424552267573743D746A61313032302677633D424F544826

You need to be soldered one into each wiper motor...never had replace these but it is possible to do as a few members on a 407owners website done with success....:cool:
i can't see peugeot replaceing the wipers for you free of charge..:eek:
best of luck and let us know how you get on..;)

The bsi is a unit that controls the wipers,lights,immob etc..your problem sounds like its a wiper fault.

Du1

well row got a diagnostic done on the car the weekend got a couple of codes up
001 rear right wheel speed sensor ..open circuit or short circuit to positive or to negative
002 front right wheel speed sensor ..open circuit or short circuit to positive or to negative
003 main brake information fault ??? dont know what this is

and there was another one he did not know [a1,b4 5,71] permanent please refer to relevant tech manual.
nothing came up about the wipers : ( there was one about about the glow plugs but i replaces them before and i think you mentioned before that it might be a sensor ??

diagnostic done on a smartbox

Du1

any takers on a problem from my dpf ??? lol particle filter urgent ......
my car is rocking a wee bit at a certain speed and when idling is the filter blocked ??? has anyone got a step by step to clean it 1.6 hdi ??

Row

Du1 wrote: »

any takers on a problem from my dpf ??? lol particle filter urgent ......
my car is rocking a wee bit at a certain speed and when idling is the filter blocked ??? has anyone got a step by step to clean it 1.6 hdi ??

If the dpf cannot preform a regeneration due to a failed dpf related sensor then this message will be displayed.
Peugeot diagnostics or any good dealer level diagnostics should be able to read/clear this fault.
If your over in the west at some stage I can plugin to see where the
problem(s) are.....:)

Du1

cheers row would the rocking mean that the filter is blocked ??

Row

Du1 wrote: »

cheers row would the rocking mean that the filter is blocked ??

If it was trying to regenerate the filter then it would be at this,but if its at this all the time then I'd be thinking towards egr or an injector(s) problem.
What mileage is on your 407 Du1...?

Du1

It not at it all the time .....118000 miles I have it booked in tomorrow to take off filter for cleaning just hope that that is where the problem is

Row

Du1 wrote: »

It not at it all the time .....118000 miles I have it booked in tomorrow to take off filter for cleaning just hope that that is where the problem is

The filter maybe fine but its no harm in giving a clean anyway.
Most autofactors sell dpf cleaner,all you do is remove the dpf and let it soak in the cleaner for a few hours and powerwash clean..:)
wurth also do a cleaner which is sprayed into tru the dpf temp sensor which is also ment to be good.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WURTH-DPF-DIESEL-PARTICULATE-FILTER-CLEANER-400ml-CAN-/130839322863

I usually bake dpf's to around 700 degs c which burns off the ash and blow out with compressed air afterwards...once cooled down alittle I then power wash it from both sides and blow out with air again....Finally I cook it again at around 400 degs for dry it out totally.
With this process totally blocked Dpfs have been cleaned back to there original state...:D