Have to get this off my chest...

Curry chip

So one of my friends has a provisional driving license and he was driving around with no licensed driver and no L plates. He was stopped at a Garda check point and the Guards let him off with no fine, no warning or anything! They said they weren't fining people because of the recession!
I know he is my friend but this annoys me!!
How many other people are they letting off from fines? In my opinion, a car is a luxury. If you can afford to run a car then you should be prepared to take the crap that comes with it if you don't follow the rules!
What else are they letting people away with? With the state of the country at the moment, should they not be fining people and putting the money back into the economy or something?!

Maybe I'm wrong but I just think it's a bit of a joke!

Feedback please?
Thanks.

NoHornJan

Have him tested.

Curry chip

NoHornJan wrote: »

Have him tested.

Tested for what?

Greentopia

Sounds like either your friend is telling porkies or that Guard is an incompetent fool.
Either one sounds plausable to me.

starlit

You are in the wrong forum!? Learner driver one is there.

xzanti

Ring Joe Duffy

aDeener

Curry chip wrote: »

So one of my friends has a provisional driving license and he was driving around with no licensed driver and no L plates. He was stopped at a Garda check point and the Guards let him off with no fine, no warning or anything! They said they weren't fining people because of the recession!
I know he is my friend but this annoys me!!
How many other people are they letting off from fines? In my opinion, a car is a luxury. If you can afford to run a car then you should be prepared to take the crap that comes with it if you don't follow the rules!
What else are they letting people away with? With the state of the country at the moment, should they not be fining people and putting the money back into the economy or something?!

Maybe I'm wrong but I just think it's a bit of a joke!

Feedback please?
Thanks.

who would have thought you would find people complaining at the guards being sound/using common sense

ibarelycare

snuggles285 wrote: »

You are in the wrong forum!? Learner driver one is there.

Where?

Curry chip

Curry chip wrote: »

Tested for what?

Vag warts

kfallon

The gardai were prob just happy to take the coffee he had in the car off him, that's prob the reason he was stopped in the first place :rolleyes:

InTheTrees

They were joking. it was a throwaway statement related to you by your buddy after he got a warning. Because he did get a warning, he's just not telling you either because he wants to look cool or he's forgotten in his euphoria about not getting fined.

twitch1984

hang on while i just put down my can of cider and blow into this bag for d nice garda



yeah am over d limit but because its a recession he said he will let me go, he wont even do me for using a laptop while driving:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Scarydoll

Some friend you are.

jd007

aDeener wrote: »

who would have thought you would find people complaining at the guards being sound/using common sense

People will always complain about guards no matter what they do.

starlit

ibarelycare wrote: »

Where?

In the motoring forum.

phasers

'I'm waiting for my test'

alwaysadub

The Guards aren't fining people cos of the recession. Aren't they great altogether.
I'm off to go speeding down the road now while chatting away on my mobile so!

Curry chip

Scarydoll wrote: »

Some friend you are.

You're missing the point!
I'm trying to figure out why the Guards are stopping people if they are not going to do anything? it's a waste of time! And what else are they letting people away with??!

Ruu_Old

Stick your friendship bracelet where the sun don't shine, I'm done! ;_; *unfriends*

phasers

They're strict on tax, insurance, nct, speeding, bla bla bla... But they tend to be quite lenient on LP drivers as long as they're not driving down the road backwards or something.

Smokin_Aces

Was Hannah Minx there?

a car is an essential, not a luxury (for me anyways)

we'llallhavetea_old

i'm sure you wouldn't be complaining if it were you that the guards let off op.

Curry chip

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

i'm sure you wouldn't be complaining if it were you that the guards let off op.

Well I have a full license but when I was learning I always had a fully licensed driver with me.

mickdw

The gardai will let LP drivers off sometimes as there is a waiting list for the test & in country places without public transport, a car is the only way to get to work. When there is no waiting list, they will enforce it. That IMO is a reasonable stance for them to take on the issue provided that the driver has everything else in order & also that they are not acting the ass on the road

Feeona

You really shouldn't let it get to you, Grimey

Curry chip

mickdw wrote: »

The gardai will let LP drivers off sometimes as there is a waiting list for the test & in country places without public transport, a car is the only way to get to work. When there is no waiting list, they will enforce it. That IMO is a reasonable stance for them to take on the issue provided that the driver has everything else in order & also that they are not acting the ass on the road

This person hasn't applied for their test and they live in Dublin. What does IMO stand for?

we'llallhavetea_old

Curry chip wrote: »

Well I have a full license but when I was learning I always had a fully licensed driver with me.

the guards could stop you for forgetting to indicate etc. i doubt you'd give out about being let off.

anyway, you really must have very little to worry about if this is getting your goat up.

Curry chip

Feeona wrote: »

You really shouldn't let it get to you, Grimey

I know I shouldn't. I just think it's silly. If they are letting people off with that then what else are they turning a blind eye on? And their excuse is the recession!!

starbelgrade

Driving on a provisional without a person in the car who has a full licence?

They should've dragged him out of the car & beat him to death with his spare wheel, then dismembered him, shat in his skull & set fire to the car before wheeling it into oncoming traffic.

That'd show those LP bastards a lesson. And before anyone says that's a bit too much - you let one little thing like that go & next he's selling crack cocaine outta the boot of his car & not paying his motor tax on time.

Curry chip

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

the guards could stop you for forgetting to indicate etc. i doubt you'd give out about being let off.

anyway, you really must have very little to worry about if this is getting your goat up.

Driving without a licensed driver and no L plates is hardly in the same league as forgetting to indicate, but yeah, if they wanna stop for forgetting to indicate then fair enough - go ahead!

And I do have bigger worries in my life actually but all I wanted to do was share a thought so there is no need to get personal. That is what a forum is for after all isn't it? Sharing thoughts and getting opinions rather than personal digs?

twitch1984

mickdw wrote: »

The gardai will let LP drivers off sometimes as there is a waiting list for the test & in country places without public transport, a car is the only way to get to work. When there is no waiting list, they will enforce it. That IMO is a reasonable stance for them to take on the issue provided that the driver has everything else in order & also that they are not acting the ass on the road

does that mean drink driving, driving without insurance, tax nct etc.. is ok because there is no public transport, its still breaking the law. law is law for a reason even though I dont agree with alot of them I still abide by the law so why should some people be allowed break it

cruiser178

You should show this thread to your friend op,just so as he fully understands and appreciates your utter disgust.
I think that friendship bracelet would be shoved where the sun dont shine for you.

Curry chip

twitch1984 wrote: »

does that mean drink driving, driving without insurance, tax nct etc.. is ok because there is no public transport, its still breaking the law. law is law for a reason even though I dont agree with alot of them I still abide by the law so why should some people be allowed break it

Thank you!
You hit the nail on the head!

Riddle101

Curry chip wrote: »

So one of my friends has a provisional driving license and he was driving around with no licensed driver and no L plates. He was stopped at a Garda check point and the Guards let him off with no fine, no warning or anything! They said they weren't fining people because of the recession!
I know he is my friend but this annoys me!!
How many other people are they letting off from fines? In my opinion, a car is a luxury. If you can afford to run a car then you should be prepared to take the crap that comes with it if you don't follow the rules!
What else are they letting people away with? With the state of the country at the moment, should they not be fining people and putting the money back into the economy or something?!

Maybe I'm wrong but I just think it's a bit of a joke!

Feedback please?
Thanks.

Would you be complaining if you were in a situtation where you were stopped by a garda but wasn't fined? it's easy to point the finger and say, hey you should be punished. But what if it were you? would you complain and say that as gardaí they should enforce the law and fine you for something, that in all fairness if rather trivial compared to the worse things that go on in the road. I mean it's not like your friend was under the influence or was driving dangerously. He was driving without an L learners plate and making such a fuss about something like that is quite ridiculous. No offense.

In the United State for instance, the Cops don't even give drivers breatalisers when they've been drinking and driving. They just ask them to walk on a line and if they seem ok to the cop, they usually just let them go without a fine or anything. But my point is, just let it go and accept that someone didn't get punished for breaking a law. It dosen't really affect you so there's no need to complain.

messymess

Curry chip wrote: »

Maybe I'm wrong but I just think it's a bit of a joke!

Feedback please?
Thanks.

If you feel that strongly about it, I'm pretty sure you could go to court as a witness against your mate and have him done.

twitch1984

messymess wrote: »

If you feel that strongly about it, I'm pretty sure you could go to court as a witness against your mate and have him done.

I would like to see a complaint against the guard for deraliction of duty

Curry chip

cruiser178 wrote: »

You should show this thread to your friend op,just so as he fully understands and appreciates your utter disgust.
I think that friendship bracelet would be shoved where the sun dont shine for you.

I will show him.
I simply explained what happened. I never said anything bad about my friend. It's not his fault the guards didn't do their job properly! And actually it was my friend who laughed at the guards as well for letting him away with so much!

starlit

Why do learner drivers bother driving on their own without a fully licenced holder with them? Why be watching your back in case they get in trouble with the law. It makes no sense. What if they conked out and couldn't get the car to move at a junction or at a hill or in a line of traffic or hit something they are liable!? They might think they are insured to drive but they aren't insured to drive on their own. They are only insured to drive a car unless they're accompanied with a fully licenced holder (of two years at least)

cruiser178

Curry chip wrote: »

I WILL SHOW HIM.
I simply explained what happened. I never said anything bad about my friend. It's not his fault the guards didn't do their job properly! And actually it was my friend who laughed at the guards as well for letting him away with so much!

Better get lubed up so.:o

Fukuyama

Curry chip wrote: »

You're missing the point!
I'm trying to figure out why the Guards are stopping people if they are not going to do anything? it's a waste of time! And what else are they letting people away with??!

And so is that crap law about L drivers... Garda top brass are in favour of it whilst most people (including foot Garda) know its a load of crap law and as such will only enforce it upon scumbag drivers.

Source: Had a conversation with a Garda I know through friends...

the_syco

Curry chip wrote: »

So one of my friend

With friends like you, he doesn't need any enemies....

budgemook

I learned to drive back when driving by yourself wasn't allowed but it really was and most of the learning I did was alone. I hated being in the car with an instructor or someone telling me what to do. It really held me back and as soon as I started heading out myself I got much better. Also, I recently taught my ex how to drive and basically made her start going out by herself. The progress she made when she started by herself was unbelievable. It's a stupid rule. They should just make you have a few lessons and then the instructor can sign off on you driving alone pretty quickly imo.

As for the garda letting him off, sure he's just being sound. It's not all that often the garda will be sound so it should be celebrated when it happens. A few months ago i was driving along with a joint and a garda caught me. He let me off, now that was a sound garda.

The small laws against stuff like having a joint or driving alone with a learner licence should only be imposed on scumbags if you ask me.

2manyconditions

Curry chip - you obviously don't own a car when you get a car then you can get mad.

Sometimes Mammy had other stuff to do and couldn't accompany me to my workplace, (also because she lives on the other side of the country but thats besides the point)

If your that peeved about your friend not getting fined. Why dont you report them yourself :pac:

Your unbelieveable!

Ricardo G

I just robbed our local post office this evening but was caught an hour later, the guard said i could keep the money because there was a recession.............Get real OP i think your Walter Mitty is telling porkies :rolleyes:

Curry chip

2manyconditions wrote: »

Curry chip - you obviously don't own a car when you get a car then you can get mad.

Sometimes Mammy had other stuff to do and couldn't accompany me to my workplace, (also because she lives on the other side of the country but thats besides the point)

If your that peeved about your friend not getting fined. Why dont you report them yourself :pac:

Your unbelieveable!

If you read my reply to another person you would see that I have already said I am a fully licensed driver and I do own my own car which I worked very hard for.

I am perfectly entitled to have my own opinion. I have listened to what everyone elses and tried to explain my views as best I can. If you want to make a point then make it. There's no need to be rude.

budgemook

Ricardo G wrote: »

I just robbed our local post office this evening but was caught an hour later, the guard said i could keep the money because there was a recession.............Get real OP i think your Walter Mitty is telling porkies :rolleyes:

I'd say the gardai let people of with stuff all the time (see my post above). The garda was most likely cracking a joke after he had already decided to let him off. Driving without a full licence is hardly robbing a post office. I was stopped for speeding once when I had L plates and wasn't even asked about a licensed driver. Was a good while ago mind. They don't do everyone you know.

Get real :rolleyes:

Curry chip

Ricardo G wrote: »

I just robbed our local post office this evening but was caught an hour later, the guard said i could keep the money because there was a recession.............Get real OP i think your Walter Mitty is telling porkies :rolleyes:

What does OP mean?! (Sorry I'm new!) Maybe he was. I don't know. I just never heard of someone getting away with breaking the law because of the recession
I know it's not the worst law you can break or anything but in black and white, the law is the law and I just find it so silly that they are using the recession for an excuse!!! Now everyone is going to think they can get away with anything!

mickdw

twitch1984 wrote: »

does that mean drink driving, driving without insurance, tax nct etc.. is ok because there is no public transport, its still breaking the law. law is law for a reason even though I dont agree with alot of them I still abide by the law so why should some people be allowed break it

No it doesnt mean that. Im just stating what has been said by many gardai.
The insurers have also agreed that they are covering these drivers while driving alone so you can see that there is a certain amount of the 'blind eye' being used in relation to this offence.
BE it right or wrong, this is what is happening.

2manyconditions

So are you saying you never once drove your car on a provo licence unaccompanied.

I don't believe it for a second.

I'll bet you were all high five with 'your friend' too when they told you the story. :pac:

mezzdon

You should be delighted he didn't get a fine. YOUR MEANT TO BE HIS FRIEND!