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€1m tunnel between Leinster House and the Department of Agriculture

  • 18-08-2010 02:06PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭


    The news that TDs are considering a proposal to build a €1m tunnel between Leinster House and the Department of Agriculture, in order to save themselves a 100-yard journey up Kildare Street (40 seconds walk) sounds like a bad joke
    For f**K sake how long more are we as irish people going to let these p****S in the dail ride us.
    They are closing hospitals and cutting every think else they can think of and they want 1 million euro spent so they dont have to walk the same footpath as the irish people
    we are a joke as irish people even the brits would not do this if they still ruled us

    http://www.herald.ie/opinion/really-...a-2182780.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,316 ✭✭✭amacca


    dean21 wrote: »
    The news that TDs are considering a proposal to build a €1m tunnel between Leinster House and the Department of Agriculture, in order to save themselves a 100-yard journey up Kildare Street (40 seconds walk) sounds like a bad joke
    For f**K sake how long more are we as irish people going to let these p****S in the dail ride us.
    They are closing hospitals and cutting every think else they can think of and they want 1 million euro spent so they dont have to walk the same footpath as the irish people
    we are a joke as irish people even the brits would not do this if they still ruled us

    http://www.herald.ie/opinion/really-...a-2182780.html

    Article is dated May 17th....old news?

    Surely they are not going to go ahead with this...would have heard more uproar.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 585 ✭✭✭MrDarcy


    There are two women screaming on Liveline about it right now...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 585 ✭✭✭MrDarcy


    Ah now it is becoming clear what this tunnel is needed for. The government need a tunnel to go between the two buildings because they want to move civil servants from one building to the other and for it to be legal the civil servants have to be kept the same building, so a tunnel between the two buildings ticks that particular box, only in Ireland...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,316 ✭✭✭amacca


    Dear god! seriously!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭poppyvalley


    MrDarcy wrote: »
    There are two women screaming on Liveline about it right now...

    I did not hear anybody screaming.....as you put it. Your flippant remark leads me to believe that you are a fianna faller


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭dean21


    God knows where the tunnel is going
    They might be afraid that the irish people are getting closer and closer to storming the dail


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 959 ✭✭✭changes


    They are prob building this tunnel so they can avoid members of the public and the media.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 585 ✭✭✭MrDarcy


    I did not hear anybody screaming.....as you put it. Your flippant remark leads me to believe that you are a fianna faller

    Defo not a FF man, on the next occasion the first FF person who comes to my door is going to be manhandled up my garden path and throw back out onto the street.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭goulders


    What a donkey, Joe arkins could not resist 2 minutes of fame on Joe Duffy's liveline, he came on to agree that proposal to build a tunnell between dept of Ag building and gov offices at a cost of 1 million was a good idea. Well Joe I think u just lost F Gael a massive vote. Well done.
    PS I think u just blew any hope u ever had in politics.
    Maybe a career in the circus as a clown might suit ya


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭poppyvalley


    MrDarcy wrote: »
    Defo not a FF man, on the next occasion the first FF person who comes to my door is going to be manhandled up my garden path and throw back out onto the street.

    Need a hand?Sorry for the incorrect assumption:o


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,903 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    MrDarcy wrote: »
    Ah now it is becoming clear what this tunnel is needed for. The government need a tunnel to go between the two buildings because they want to move civil servants from one building to the other and for it to be legal the civil servants have to be kept the same building, so a tunnel between the two buildings ticks that particular box, only in Ireland...

    nonsense

    civil servants can be routinely moved around offices in Dublin without any issue


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Copy of my email to FG headquarters. :mad:

    To: finegael@finegael.com, joe@rte.ie
    To whom it may concern:

    I've just finished listening to Joe Duffy's Liveline programme and the performance of your Galway councillor takes some beating. He was speaking about the importance of building a €1 million tunnel to link the Dail to some offices a hundred yards away.....I suggest that you listen to the programme on RTE Real Player to get a feel for the public reaction to his performance. Another own goal!!! To win the next election all FF have to do is let you people shaft yourselves - first the crazy leadership contest now this. You've long ago lost my vote and I wonder how many more you lost today? Apparently FG have no policy on this outrageous waste of non-existent public money - perhaps you should develop one by tonight to try and limit the damage.


    Sincerely,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,607 ✭✭✭✭sceptre


    I did not hear anybody screaming.....as you put it. Your flippant remark leads me to believe that you are a fianna faller
    It isn't a crime on this forum nor anywhere else to be a Fianna Failer (no, that is not an invite to discuss whether or not it should be). Whether someone is or is not a Fianna Failer isn't necessarily relevant to their having a point they'd like to make. Ask questions first, then throw stones (preferably skip the stone throwing part). Additionally this proposed tunnel is under consideration by the Dail in-house accommodation committee, which comprises one member from Fianna Fail (Michael Mulcahy), one member from Fine Gael (Paul Bradford) and one member from Labour (Pat Rabbitte), as you'll note from the article linked in the OP. This forum exists for the exchange and expression of thoughts and extended commentary on politics and current affairs, not merely as a cheerleading or town stoning gathering.

    Constructive posting with a point is always infinitely better than a pithy ad hominem remark lacking a point. Just a useful thought.

    On the point, here's a more recent article from the Tribune. I'm mentally searching for ways in which such a tunnel could itself possibly save €700,000 each year as the article suggests (I suspect that it's referring to the rent saved on additional property, which isn't inherently linked to the existence of such a tunnel, which really should have been explained in the article)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,903 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    sceptre wrote: »
    On the point, here's a more recent article from the Tribune. I'm mentally searching for ways in which such a tunnel could itself possibly save €700,000 each year as the article suggests (I suspect that it's referring to the rent saved on additional property, which isn't inherently linked to the existence of such a tunnel, which really should have been explained in the article)

    it is referring to the rent which makes absolutely no sense

    poor attempt at spin from those proposing this

    it will cost €1m (probably more)

    and save no money, except on what these TDs might have spent on an umbrella


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 73 ✭✭Manic Preacher


    Copy of my email to FG headquarters. :mad:

    To: finegael@finegael.com, joe@rte.ie
    To whom it may concern:

    I've just finished listening to Joe Duffy's Liveline programme and the performance of your Galway councillor takes some beating. He was speaking about the importance of building a €1 million tunnel to link the Dail to some offices a hundred yards away.....I suggest that you listen to the programme on RTE Real Player to get a feel for the public reaction to his performance. Another own goal!!! To win the next election all FF have to do is let you people shaft yourselves - first the crazy leadership contest now this. You've long ago lost my vote and I wonder how many more you lost today? Apparently FG have no policy on this outrageous waste of non-existent public money - perhaps you should develop one by tonight to try and limit the damage.


    Sincerely,

    Arkins is from Clare


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,079 ✭✭✭Mr.Applepie


    How would constructing a tunnel from one building to another save money? Are there going to be offices based in the tunnel?
    Prehaps it is another one of this governement's stimulus packages - they will have kiosks and shops in the tunnel ala a subway station?
    Surely the government own all the buildings they use?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭Jaysoose


    How would constructing a tunnel from one building to another save money? Are there going to be offices based in the tunnel?
    Prehaps it is another one of this governement's stimulus packages - they will have kiosks and shops in the tunnel ala a subway station?
    Surely the government own all the buildings they use?


    That the first issue we have, applying logic to the decisions being made by people aledgedly hapy to spend a million to keep their heads dry as they walk to a building a hundred yards away.

    This has to be a non-runner it cant be true, because if it is true its very very scary.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Essexboy


    How many of them could we get into the tunnel before sealing it at both ends?
    Seriously, where are the figures to back up the claims that the tunnel will save money?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,391 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    Hang on - it is already possible to walk from Agriculture House to Leinster House internally.

    I think this is a non-story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,836 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    so they want to build a tunnel :rolleyes: dempsey might put a toll on it and the TD's can put the expense off against their expenses:eek:,or else they will get a contracter to build it to small(like the port tunnel&limerick ttunnel) that only small children could fir through it.
    or maybe it could be for the likes of Ivor in case someone takes a pot shot at him;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Head The Wall


    sceptre wrote: »
    On the point, here's a more recent article from the Tribune. I'm mentally searching for ways in which such a tunnel could itself possibly save €700,000 each year as the article suggests (I suspect that it's referring to the rent saved on additional property, which isn't inherently linked to the existence of such a tunnel, which really should have been explained in the article)

    They're trying to deflect it onto wheelchair access needs as well, more justification so there comb overs won't get blown askew
    Jaysoose wrote: »
    That the first issue we have, applying logic to the decisions being made by people aledgedly hapy to spend a million to keep their heads dry as they walk to a building a hundred yards away.

    This has to be a non-runner it cant be true, because if it is true its very very scary.

    Welcome to Ireland :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,374 ✭✭✭Gone West


    I've worked in both buildings (was never a public sector worker though), Ag House was about 75% empty when I was there. LH is packed to the rafters with hangers on, consultants, contractors, etc. Also the multiple secretaries a hardworking handwringer / talker needs. Office space is at a bit of a premium, even in LH2000.

    Best solution is to change the law, if indeed it does need to be changed, to allow civil "servants" to walk the hundred yards. The daily routine of walking to the canteen and back every hour for tea must get boring anyways.

    Politicians generally dont like the front gates of Leinster House. Too many protestors and undesirables hang around there. They much prefer to drive in and out the back way. Would be terrible for some productive, useful senator to have to walk from his office to his separate secretary's office across the road.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    FG are really on the ball, here is what passes as a reply to my earlier email:


    David

    Thank you for your email.

    It is not the job of Cllr Joe Arkins to annunciate policy on this issue.

    Regards,



    Vincent Gribbin
    Head of Internal Communication
    Fine Gael Headquarters
    51 Uppr Mount St, Dublin 2
    01-6198422

    and my reply :D

    Vincent,

    Thank you for your reply but you fail to notice my main point i.e. the damage this sort of nonsense does to FG! Last week Olivia Mitchell was caught out saying that expenditure on flights in the Govt. jet was OK in the good times - it was never OK and plenty of us spoke out against waste even in the 'so called' good times. It's time you people in FG came up with some real policies instead of waiting to be presented with office at the next election. Don't take the electorate for granted or you may well find yourselves as the very junior partner in the next government.

    No need to reply as my vote won't be going to FG.


    Sincerely,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭robbie1


    i got the same reply as you did i sent them an email about 5 mins after i heard liveline
    said pretty much the same as everyone and got the same reply


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭imme


    :cool:Yeah The Herald has been known to set people raving alright.
    According to this Herald article the work will cost 1Million Euro but save 700k per annum. http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/euro1m-leinster-house-tunnel-gets-goahead-2301609.html
    Sounds like a good deal methinks.

    Now, could people worry about some important things Please.:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭irishh_bob


    I did not hear anybody screaming.....as you put it. Your flippant remark leads me to believe that you are a fianna faller

    now now , darcy could be forgiven , i mean when have you heard a caller on liveline who wasnt screaming


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    I think its a good thing, even if we disagree with them, if individual Councillors etc. are making their own opinion on something. Not every single thing has a party policy or line - so just because one or two FG/FF/Labour etc. members support it does not mean that the whole party does, or that its official party policy.

    Its their own personal opinion and not that of the party at large - hence the reply you both got. You can hardly expect individuals to keep quiet on everything that the party has no official stance on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Sully wrote: »
    I think its a good thing, even if we disagree with them, if individual Councillors etc. are making their own opinion on something. Not every single thing has a party policy or line - so just because one or two FG/FF/Labour etc. members support it does not mean that the whole party does, or that its official party policy.

    Its their own personal opinion and not that of the party at large - hence the reply you both got. You can hardly expect individuals to keep quiet on everything that the party has no official stance on.

    Yes, but according to an official FG response on the Joe Duffy show they don't have a policy on the tunnel - much as they don't appear to have a policy on anything else. As for imme - squandering €1 million on this tunnel is symptomatic of everything that is wrong with the country - it isn't that long ago that Noel Dempsey dismissed the spending of €50 million on some other project as a drop in the ocean! It's no wonder the electorate keep putting these fools back into office when most of them appear to have such short memories. If the tunnel was to cost €10,000 then maybe, just maybe it would be justified but even then there are better uses for €10k.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭imme


    Yes, but according to an official FG response on the Joe Duffy show they don't have a policy on the tunnel - much as they don't appear to have a policy on anything else. As for imme - squandering €1 million on this tunnel is symptomatic of everything that is wrong with the country - it isn't that long ago that Noel Dempsey dismissed the spending of €50 million on some other project as a drop in the ocean! It's no wonder the electorate keep putting these fools back into office when most of them appear to have such short memories. If the tunnel was to cost €10,000 then maybe, just maybe it would be justified but even then there are better uses for €10k.

    Fine Gael have all sorts of policies, just like what you'd expect from a big political party. You'll find them on here:
    http://www.finegael.org/polcol/a/25/article
    Go on feast your eyes on that.

    Now, please concern yourself with BIG issues, not a 1 Million tunnel that will save 700,00.00 a year. Or maybe you're concerned with micro issues, maybe we need more people like you in The Oireachtas. :eek:
    We need BIG people concerned with BIG issues.
    Now, could people get a grip, PLEASE.:rolleyes:


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Yes, but according to an official FG response on the Joe Duffy show they don't have a policy on the tunnel - much as they don't appear to have a policy on anything else. As for imme - squandering €1 million on this tunnel is symptomatic of everything that is wrong with the country - it isn't that long ago that Noel Dempsey dismissed the spending of €50 million on some other project as a drop in the ocean! It's no wonder the electorate keep putting these fools back into office when most of them appear to have such short memories. If the tunnel was to cost €10,000 then maybe, just maybe it would be justified but even then there are better uses for €10k.

    It would be rather sad if FG released a party on every single thing which involved spending of public money, to be fair. Money spent on the Dail etc. should not really be part of FG policy unless it was considered a very big problem.

    Policy making should focus on much larger things - public sector reform, budgeting, education (second and third level), getting jobs and people back working etc.

    Plus, its an issue which neither party really has a big say on.


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