Why are some people jerks

take everything

Just reading this thtread in AH http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056001291 and i just thought i'd pose this question.

Drunkenness, vandalism, rudeness, shouting at people, unable to contain themselves- just wondering why are some people (and i doubt it's even a minority tbh) compelled to be annoying, unmitigated assholes.

I'm not talking about serial killers here- just your common-or-garden fcukhead on the street.
Typically in herds shouting abuse and just engaged in wanton behaviour.

These people are meant to be grown adults- but it's like, emotionally, they are still basically children.
What's the psychology behind it.
Or is it just a parenting thing.
Or have they been fcuked over so many times in their lives they just take it out on others.

Waking-Dreams

The need to feel superior to other humans, basically.

previous user

take everything wrote: »

Just reading this thtread in AH http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056001291 and i just thought i'd pose this question.

Drunkenness, vandalism, rudeness, shouting at people, unable to contain themselves- just wondering why are some people (and i doubt it's even a minority tbh) compelled to be annoying, unmitigated assholes.

I'm not talking about serial killers here- just your common-or-garden fcukhead on the street.
Typically in herds shouting abuse and just engaged in wanton behaviour.

These people are meant to be grown adults- but it's like, emotionally, they are still basically children.
What's the psychology behind it.
Or is it just a parenting thing.
Or have they been fcuked over so many times in their lives they just take it out on others.

Lack of empathy i'd say, drink can be a part of it as well.

Stink on the inside

A lot of the time they haven't been brought up, they have been dragged up.

KylieWyley

Raised to not consider others; lack of empathy; lack of concern for others; selfish; greedy; different ideas of what a good time is; etc. etc.


This is one facet of the human race.
Try to look towards the nicer aspects.

seensensee

take everything wrote: »

Just reading this thtread in AH http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056001291 and i just thought i'd pose this question.

Drunkenness, vandalism, rudeness, shouting at people, unable to contain themselves- just wondering why are some people (and i doubt it's even a minority tbh) compelled to be annoying, unmitigated assholes.

I'm not talking about serial killers here- just your common-or-garden fcukhead on the street.
Typically in herds shouting abuse and just engaged in wanton behaviour.

These people are meant to be grown adults- but it's like, emotionally, they are still basically children.
What's the psychology behind it.
Or is it just a parenting thing.
Or have they been fcuked over so many times in their lives they just take it out on others.

Group hysteria gone over board fueled by drinking too much, but more than that add into the mix what it is that GAA competition represents? Therein awaits you answers.

nozzferrahhtoo

There is no psychology behind it. People who act in this way have merely lost sight of the fact that the way YOU act is they way you want SOCIETY to act. A socio democratic extension of the golden rule if you like.

For more give a read of my article here:

http://www.atheist.ie/2009/02/the-immorality-of-claiming-morality/

wonderfulname

KylieWyley wrote: »

Raised to not consider others; lack of empathy; lack of concern for others; selfish; greedy; different ideas of what a good time is; etc. etc.

Agreed, I also think that in some cases generations of living off social welfare, not owning or being responsible for your house, not understanding what it is to have to work for money leave some with a complete lack of responsibility. They spray paint your wall because they know if they spray paint their own the council will clean it up, they break your windows because their broken windows come out of the council coffers.

Eve_Dublin

seensensee wrote: »

Group hysteria gone over board fueled by drinking too much, but more than that add into the mix what it is that GAA competition represents? Therein awaits you answers.

What does the GAA competition represent? The GAA run an organisation which administers some of the few remaining
mass-spectator indigenous sports in the world and do so at a profit, nearly 80 per cent of which is returned to the members. The players play for the love of the sport and nothing else. It's the most popular sport in the country...if you're from Dublin you won't realise that but it is. With such a big following, you're bound to have a few tosspots thrown in the mix. A vast majority of people behave themselves and there's always a great atmosphere at the games.

Sorry, disgressing there but I don't like to see the GAA knocked like that.

Drinking to excess brings out the fecker in everyone. Even the mild-mannered among us turn ugly. Lack of empathy is definitely a massive part of it. People choosing to ignore their consience...it's sometimes cyclical...criminals a lot of the time come from bad upbringings...I guess when you're treated so badly by the ones who are supposed to take care of you (society, your family, authority etc), you tend to loose faith in humanity. I can see how that would happen.

seensensee

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

What does the GAA competition represent? The GAA run an organisation which administers some of the few remaining
mass-spectator indigenous sports in the world and do so at a profit, nearly 80 per cent of which is returned to the members. The players play for the love of the sport and nothing else. It's the most popular sport in the country...if you're from Dublin you won't realise that but it is. With such a big following, you're bound to have a few tosspots thrown in the mix. A vast majority of people behave themselves and there's always a great atmosphere at the games.

Sorry, disgressing there but I don't like to see the GAA knocked like that.

Drinking to excess brings out the fecker in everyone. Even the mild-mannered among us turn ugly. Lack of empathy is definitely a massive part of it. People choosing to ignore their consience...it's sometimes cyclical...criminals a lot of the time come from bad upbringings...I guess when you're treated so badly by the ones who are supposed to take care of you (society, your family, authority etc), you tend to loose faith in humanity. I can see how that would happen.

I'm glad you asked, I don't mean any disrespect to the GAA with that comment, More considering the roots, the traditions. it's more than sporting and perhaps representative in spirit of a federation of warrior clans.
Is it just my notion or is the spirit of faction fighting still alive within the hearts of some fans?


FACTION FIGHTING
"They fought for the sheer love of fighting"

Organised fights between opposing factions was a general feature of early 19th century Ireland. These fights usually took place at fairs or other meeting places when drink was in abundance and the main topics of conversation were the price of cattle, the weather and the fight that was about to commence. This tradition of fighting is reputed to have began in Tipperary in 1805 and quickly spread all over the country. One of the most famous of all factions was in the Doon area. The establishment of the day tended to ignore faction fighting - even to encourage it, believing it to be a good thing to see the Irish fighting among themselves and not against the system of government.

However, even though the faction fights declined considerably from 1830, the following years often saw old scores flaring up and faction fighting continued right up to that last recorded fight at Cappawhite in 1887. It may be that the G.A.A. from here on provided a platform to vent parish rivalry and filled a void created by the demise of the faction fights.

http://www.doonbleisce.com/faction_fighting.htm

BTW I consider G.A.A. sports to be among the best, soccer is pure pants in comparison.

Finnbar01

Because these people simply don't know any other way of enjoying themselves.

Eve_Dublin

seensensee wrote: »

I'm glad you asked, I don't mean any disrespect to the GAA with that comment, More considering the roots, the traditions. it's more than sporting and perhaps representative in spirit of a federation of warrior clans.
Is it just my notion or is the spirit of faction fighting still alive within the hearts of some fans?


FACTION FIGHTING
"They fought for the sheer love of fighting"

Organised fights between opposing factions was a general feature of early 19th century Ireland. These fights usually took place at fairs or other meeting places when drink was in abundance and the main topics of conversation were the price of cattle, the weather and the fight that was about to commence. This tradition of fighting is reputed to have began in Tipperary in 1805 and quickly spread all over the country. One of the most famous of all factions was in the Doon area. The establishment of the day tended to ignore faction fighting - even to encourage it, believing it to be a good thing to see the Irish fighting among themselves and not against the system of government.

However, even though the faction fights declined considerably from 1830, the following years often saw old scores flaring up and faction fighting continued right up to that last recorded fight at Cappawhite in 1887. It may be that the G.A.A. from here on provided a platform to vent parish rivalry and filled a void created by the demise of the faction fights.

http://www.doonbleisce.com/faction_fighting.htm

BTW I consider G.A.A. sports to be among the best, soccer is pure pants in comparison.

Do you go to GAA games Seensensee?? The post on AH was not concerned with fans fighting among themselves, it was about some guy throwing stones at someone's (resident, not a fan) car (typical drunken behaviour among young men and women in Ireland)....in my 26 years (since I was 4 years old) of going to games all around the country, I've never, ever seen fans from rival teams fighting. I've not denying that people don't go to the pub after the matches and things get rowdy later on in the day but it's not in anyway connected to the GAA or rivalry among fans.

seensensee

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

Do you go to GAA games Seensensee?? The post on AH was not concerned with fans fighting among themselves, it was about some guy throwing stones at someone's (resident, not a fan) car (typical drunken behaviour among young men and women in Ireland)....in my 26 years (since I was 4 years old) of going to games all around the country, I've never, ever seen fans from rival teams fighting. I've not denying that people don't go to the pub after the matches and things get rowdy later on in the day but it's not in anyway connected to the GAA or rivalry among fans.

Can you say why things get out of hand? I'm aware that fighting may be rare between fans, but on match days there is sure to be heightened pride and passions all flared up, some drink too much and lose control. The occasion is challenging and when the going gets rough the rough get going.


Is this the GAA's guiltiest secret?

We know that the punch-ups are wrong -- but we actually enjoy them for a few seconds



Gaelic games have a long history of mass argy-bargy on the field. This writer's book, GAA Confidential, mentions a melee as far back as 1893, during the All-Ireland hurling final between Cork and Wexford. Reverse the digits and the sport, and the 1983 football final between Dublin and Galway saw four red cards and a bust-up in the tunnel underneath the Hogan.And so it's gone throughout the GAA's 12 decades. The more famous brawls include: Louth and Laois's fractious Leinster football semi in 1991; the Semplegate affair involving Cork and Clare hurlers three years ago; Dublin's football league rumbles with Tyrone in 2006 and Meath in '08; and Meath and Mayo's All-Ireland football final reply in 1996, which regressed from match to ruction to anarchy to farce. Two key points need to be made: one, trouble at GAA matches is exclusively restricted to the playing field; and two, most folks aren't all that bothered by it. It's not ideal, but it's not such a big deal either.

Brian McDonnell is sports editor of the Limerick Leader and a fervent Tipperary supporter (there's a delicate balancing act). He's been cheering or reporting from sidelines across Munster for years, and admits "it's an unfortunate truth that a punch-up is capable of improving a contest. But considering the battle going on for kids (with other sports), the GAA are going to have to do something drastic about violence".
"This time of the year is definitely the most violent. With the championship so far away, players can settle old scores, confident that if they get suspended, there's plenty of time before the business end of the year. And referees don't want to send anyone off around this time."


Even the poor ref's get it too?

Eve_Dublin

Yeah...sports, testosterone and alcohol tends to get people riled up. It happens after GAA games in this country because there'd be a bigger following...it happens after soccer matches in other countries because soccer would have a bigger following. The larger the crowd, the larger the percentage of twits.

I don't think the fighting on the pitch inspires people to throw stones at people's cars though. As I said, there'd be no violence among fans like you'd see among football hooligans...just people acting the gobsite like pooing in people's gardens, breaking windows etc. I see that around the country anyway, not exclusively after GAA matches. The worst behaviour I've seen of this kind was at the Rose of Tralee festival when I went down there in 1999. As far as I know, the girls weren't scrapping on stage inspiring this kind of behaviour in the locals.

The demon drink mixed with boredom and apathy has a lot to answer for in this country.

Denerick

Its pure masculinity. I have lots of friends who are intelligent, thoughtful and usually caring individuals. However sometimes, when the drink is in, the wit is out. It really depresses me sometimes how people can be totally transformed by the 'demon' drink.

take everything

Denerick wrote: »

Its pure masculinity. I have lots of friends who are intelligent, thoughtful and usually caring individuals. However sometimes, when the drink is in, the wit is out. It really depresses me sometimes how people can be totally transformed by the 'demon' drink.

This is interesting.
But surely there are strong males that drink heavily (possibly not even handling there drink well) but don't act the ****head.
Just wondering really what seperates them from the ****heads.

evenmicheal

Reason most people are jerks are that they have issues that they have not resloved. They are just taking their anger out on other people.