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Planned Improvements to Rathfarnham QBC - Public Consultation

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  • #2
    markpb
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    Cheese-tastic video but it's great to see QBN trying hard to get their message across. Dublin Bus should mention this work on their website so customers of affected routes know that improvements are on their way.

    I don't understand how the contra-flow bus lane along Camden Street and Richmond Street will work. The video shows a bus travelling outbound on Camden just south of Charlotte - that's going to cause some interesting traffic conflicts (buses on the left needing to go straight on but cars on the right lane needing to turn left) and signalling priorities if it's not to cause a long backlog of traffic on Camden inbound.

    Also it does nothing for the current delays experienced to inbound buses - it can take up to half an hour to get from Richmond to Dame st but I'm not sure what they can do about that.


  • #3
    KC61
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    markpb wrote: »
    Cheese-tastic video but it's great to see QBN trying hard to get their message across. Dublin Bus should mention this work on their website so customers of affected routes know that improvements are on their way.

    I don't understand how the contra-flow bus lane along Camden Street and Richmond Street will work. The video shows a bus travelling outbound on Camden just south of Charlotte - that's going to cause some interesting traffic conflicts (buses on the left needing to go straight on but cars on the right lane needing to turn left) and signalling priorities if it's not to cause a long backlog of traffic on Camden inbound.

    Also it does nothing for the current delays experienced to inbound buses - it can take up to half an hour to get from Richmond to Dame st but I'm not sure what they can do about that.

    There are quite a few upgrades planned or being built at the moment:

    Under consultation are:
    Blackhall Place
    Thomas Street/James's Street
    Lower Kilmacud Road/Drummartin Road

    Consultation concluded. To be approved:
    N81 Enhancements
    Old Bawn Road/Green Route

    Tender Stage:
    Howth Road

    Approved to go to tender:
    North of Swords - R132

    Under Construction:
    Firhouse Road Phase 2 (Ballycullen Road to Old Bridge Road)
    Embankment Road

    All of these schemes are detailed on the Quality Bus Network Office website at http://www.dublincity.ie/RoadsandTraffic/QBNProjectOffice/Pages/QBNProjectOffice.aspx

    I would agree about the delays on Wexford Street and Aungier Street inbound, but with the roadspace available there's very little that can be done there.

    The Camden Street/Richmond Street contraflow will obviously require changes to the traffic light sequencing - but it should improve things on the 16, 19, 65, 83 and 122.


  • #4
    Heart
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    (buses on the left needing to go straight on but cars on the right lane needing to turn left)
    As I understand it, buses will need to leave the bus lane, move over to the right hand lane and then enter the contra flow bus lane. I don't think they will be able to go forward into the contra flow bus lane from the left lane outbound. That's my understanding of it.

    One question I have tho is, will buses be able to turn right from the contra flow bus lane onto Harrington Street?

    H


  • #5
    KC61
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    Heart wrote: »
    As I understand it, buses will need to leave the bus lane, move over to the right hand lane and then enter the contra flow bus lane. I don't think they will be able to go forward into the contra flow bus lane from the left lane outbound. That's my understanding of it.

    One question I have tho is, will buses be able to turn right from the contra flow bus lane onto Harrington Street?

    H

    Not necessarily H - If a traffic signal similar to that used on the Stillorgan QBC at the Stillorgan Park Hotel were installed allowing buses a 10 second window to get across then that would negate that need to switch lanes.

    As for the right turn, I would certainly hope so - there would be little point in providing a bus lane that would only be used by the 65/65b and 83. The whole point is to allow buses a faster route.


  • #6
    trellheim
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    1. Grange Rd/Nutgrove Ave left turn bus only filter lane will annoy many people, should be permanent filter for all.

    2 . Removal of the outbound cycle lane on Rathfarnham road with no buslane to replace is poor form. ( being done to allow an inbound buslane to exist, but still )

    3. Banning the right turn outbound to rathdown park is just chancing the arm, there's a reason that the bushy park road to rathdown park movement has its own filter light sequences, it's a big school run I think among other things.

    4. The inbound buslane from Terenure to Harolds X is again only gotten by abolishing the outbound cycle lane with no buslane to replace. this is thick.

    5. The haroldsx bridge->Grove Rd Right Turn is not clear whether the filter is retained, I use this all the time, the alternate is a loooong detour down Leinster Road and thru Rathmines or further into town and South Circular.
    Same for the Parnell Rd->Harolds X road right turn, one of the filters most needed in the city !

    6. No right turn from Harrington St to Heytesbury St ? What rat-run are you supposed to take instead ? Seriously this is heavily used.

    7. That contraflow on Camden St upper as other people have said looks very hairy; however it is currently used just like that by cyclists all day long so I'd say thats where the QBC lads got the idea ! the space given on the drawing does not look like much for the driver to get into the lane. the signalling is going to be confusing !

    8. Signalising Adelaide Road/Earlsfort Terrace isn't needed, neither is buslaning it.


    All in all not a great effort; the main issue on that QBC is the throat at Aungier St down to Georges st/Dame St jn, which this does nothing at all to fix. the only real thing you could do would be ban a further class of traffic eg taxis.


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  • #7
    KC61
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    trellheim wrote: »
    1. Grange Rd/Nutgrove Ave left turn bus only filter lane will annoy many people, should be permanent filter for all.

    2 . Removal of the outbound cycle lane on Rathfarnham road with no buslane to replace is poor form. ( being done to allow an inbound buslane to exist, but still )

    3. Banning the right turn outbound to rathdown park is just chancing the arm, there's a reason that the bushy park road to rathdown park movement has its own filter light sequences, it's a big school run I think among other things.

    4. The inbound buslane from Terenure to Harolds X is again only gotten by abolishing the outbound cycle lane with no buslane to replace. this is thick.

    5. The haroldsx bridge->Grove Rd Right Turn is not clear whether the filter is retained, I use this all the time, the alternate is a loooong detour down Leinster Road and thru Rathmines or further into town and South Circular.
    Same for the Parnell Rd->Harolds X road right turn, one of the filters most needed in the city !

    6. No right turn from Harrington St to Heytesbury St ? What rat-run are you supposed to take instead ? Seriously this is heavily used.

    7. That contraflow on Camden St upper as other people have said looks very hairy; however it is currently used just like that by cyclists all day long so I'd say thats where the QBC lads got the idea ! the space given on the drawing does not look like much for the driver to get into the lane. the signalling is going to be confusing !

    8. Signalising Adelaide Road/Earlsfort Terrace isn't needed, neither is buslaning it.


    All in all not a great effort; the main issue on that QBC is the throat at Aungier St down to Georges st/Dame St jn, which this does nothing at all to fix. the only real thing you could do would be ban a further class of traffic eg taxis.

    I would disagree - Grange Road/Nutgrove Avenue can be quite a bottleneck in the morning peak - giving buses priority there will improve the flow. Given that the plan under Network Direct is for all 16/16a buses to operate to/from Ballinteer this makes sense as they will have priority at the junction.

    As it is, the real bottlenecks inbound on the 16/16a are:
    1) Grange Road/Nutgrove Ave - Stuck at junction
    2) Rathfarnham Road from Texaco Garage to Brookvale - No bus lane
    3) Rathfarnham Road at Rathdown Park - Cars using bus lane
    4) Right turn on Clanbrassil Street - getting out
    5) Left turn at Kelly's Corner - Junction not wide enough for bus and car to turn
    6) Wexford Street to Aungier Street - Roadspace too narrow for bus lanes

    From what I can see three of those (1, 2 and 3) are being addressed by the plan - what you can do with Wexford Street I don't really know as it is too narrow for any bus lanes.

    Whatever about Earlsfort Terrace, adding a bus lane on Adelaide Road is needed - buses can be seriously held up there.

    As for your detours - there would be another alternative - take the bus!


  • #8
    trellheim
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    I cycle mostly :D or walk !

    OK I'll take point 1

    The abolition of the 2 right hand turns mentioned though will just divert the flow, e.g. westbound traffic will use the RH turn before Harrington St church instead of behind the church .. what on earth is the improvement there ? plus its narrow.

    People dropping their kids to our Ladys or Terenure College will still need to get there, so they will just crowd up the traffic even more, or do a 180 at a laneway later down.

    I disagree re Wexford st, it blocks because Aungier st is blocked [ yes its narrow but it does move, but only if Aungierst is empty, which it isn't because Georges St is jammed ]


  • #9
    KC61
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    trellheim wrote: »
    I cycle mostly :D or walk !

    OK I'll take point 1

    The abolition of the 2 right hand turns mentioned though will just divert the flow, e.g. westbound traffic will use the RH turn before Harrington St church instead of behind the church .. what on earth is the improvement there ? plus its narrow.

    People dropping their kids to our Ladys or Terenure College will still need to get there, so they will just crowd up the traffic even more, or do a 180 at a laneway later down.

    I disagree re Wexford st, it blocks because Aungier st is blocked [ yes its narrow but it does move, but only if Aungierst is empty, which it isn't because Georges St is jammed ]

    Personally I find that Wexford Street often blocks because the light sequence is too short at the Cuffe Street junction.


  • #10
    Victor
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    Wexford street blocks (a) taxis (b) (primarily) taxis blocking the outbound lane when setting down / picking up drunk passengers (c) because too much time is given for the turn from Cuffe Street to Remonds Hill / Aungier Street. The whole street need reorganisation with the car parking removed, other than the hours of 0300-0700. ;)


  • #11
    KC61
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    Victor wrote: »
    Wexford street blocks (a) taxis (b) (primarily) taxis blocking the outbound lane when setting down / picking up drunk passengers (c) because too much time is given for the turn from Cuffe Street to Remonds Hill / Aungier Street. The whole street need reorganisation with the car parking removed, other than the hours of 0300-0700. ;)

    I don't think that there are too many taxis blocking it from 0730 to 0930 and 1600 to 2000 to be honest - it has more to do with the lights sequence at Cuffe Street and the narrow roadspace.


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  • #12
    ollaetta
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    trellheim wrote: »
    1. Grange Rd/Nutgrove Ave left turn bus only filter lane will annoy many people, should be permanent filter for all.

    There should also be a permanent filter for all from Nutgrove Avenue to Grange Road. The Council own the portion of ground outside the concrete fence and it would have the twofold effect of improving the traffic and removing an overgrown eyesore.


  • #13
    Heart
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    KC61 wrote: »
    Whatever about Earlsfort Terrace, adding a bus lane on Adelaide Road is needed - buses can be seriously held up there.

    Totally agree with this. And the bus lane on Earlsfort Terrace will assist buses getting into the Adelaide Road bus lane if the traffic subsequently backs up further due to the new bus lane. Nothing worst than being stuck on a bus because the start of the bus lane is too far away!

    H


  • #14
    alentejo
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    I think the traffic lights and bus lane at Earlsfort Ter will speed up buses between 4 and 5 pm and delay all other traffic for the other 23hrs in the day (incl Buses)


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