Ford 4600 cutting out

kincaid

Hi all

Trouble with my ford 4600
Went to turn hay yesterday and went around the field twic then started to labour and blow very hard until she eventually stopped – I suspected dirt in tank, I changed the diesel ,went another 100 yards then stops also inserted a piece of pipe about 2 inches onto thingy that at bottom of tank so that dirt wouldn’t reach it but again she’s went abit then stopped,,,, took the pipe off at bottom of tank and diesel is running ok ..
Like I said no problem starting her but only a 100 yards or so then stopped completely and less when I have haybob on back..
(does not airlock either)could really do with her this good weather.. any ideas what may be wrong guys

thanks

snowman707

did you clean and/or fit new fuel filters?

is fuel flowing freely at the injector pump and to the injectors,?

is there a water trap on the filter bowl?

not familiar with fords but above would be relevant to all diesel engines

JohnBoy

In my experience the only thing that sorts these problems for good is to clean out the tank. like take it off and clean it out, replace the in-tank filter and the main fuel filter too.

kincaid

yes fitted new filter too,didnt see a water trap on the filter bowl
it looked a big job taking the tank of to clean it out

valtra2

hi there its a big job taking out tank you have to split tractor or remove the both are ***** of jobs, trust me i done it on my one a month ago, sounds like there is dirt some where open of pipe going into filter from tank and it shoul be flowing steady if not blow back into it with pump if that going then but back together and open bleed screw on top of filter and it should fill and overflow quickly after, then thighten it and open the bleed screw on injector pump and turn the key for few turns until the are no air just diesel coming out, there are no hand primer on 46 well not on mine anway, next thing is to open up the first injecter and try and start her when she starts the tighten it back dont unscrew it off completly or any of the bleed screws because they easy to lose trust me it hgas happened and not the easyest to find. another thing is if you have changed filter reasently make sure you replaced all the rubber seals she could be drawing air if filter not sealed propley. hope this helps

kincaid

ok thanks i was thinking by looking at it that removing tank was going to be big job..

someone mentioned that inserting a 2 inch pipe in the connection going into bottom of tank will stop it taking in dirt nearer the bottom when its runs low... good idea or not?

valtra2

there were one in mine but i had to replace the tap and the new tap only had plastic top and it broke off within few weeks and the only way i found out is i had the tank of washing it out when i found it off, to be honest it should not matter really if you have that bit of pipe when diesel is splashing about tank dirt is going to be moved about so aslong as you keep it servised and change filters reagulary prob 2 a year, it should be fine, and sure its only few bob for diesel filter. that just my opeinion maybe someone else will diagree but it works for me

kincaid

ok thanks is there any other filters i need to check or replace

Horace

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I had a similar problem with my 4000 it dirt too caused it to stop i flushed the tank changed the fuel filter and fitter a pit of plastic pipe inside the tank as well but the plastic pipe i had fitted into the tap on the tank was restricting the flow of fuel and when the tractor was under pressure it would cut out i got a new tank tap fitting that has a plastic flilter that goes inside the tank instead of the said "pipe" everything is working fine now, the new tap and filter cost under a tenner

maidhc

It probably isn't anything in the tank if the fuel is flowing from it freely.

Taking the tank off is a dose. A few days work on a Q cab and a good few hours even on a tractor with no cab.

Our 4000 used to cut out turning hay, took a long time, but eventually we figured it was the diesel cap sealing too tight. As the fuel level dropped it was creating a vacuum and restricting the flow of diesel. Normally took about 20 mins/half and hour for it to shut down though.

5live

There is a nylon filter at bottom of fuel tank. you must unscrew fuel line and can then unscrew the holder and remove the filter. A finger in the hole will stop fuel until you screw back holder. Wash and replace. Tank can be washed out when empty the same way. Is it just me or is all diesel getting dirty this year

reilig

5live wrote: »

Is it just me or is all diesel getting dirty this year

I agree. We bought a mf 35x off a neighbour a few weeks ago. Last week it stopped with an airlock - I cleaned out the tap and lines running to the filters and the filter cup and put new filters on her. It was like a thick black scum that was in them. Blew out the lines and tap with a compressor. Guy we bought it from had the filters changed just last year and it was pretty clean then. 12 months later and the whole lot is clogged after passing no more than 50 gallons through her.
He buys direct from the pump at a local filling station and he's going to go back and tell them that what they're selling is dirty. he's very careful with all diesel that he uses - always filters it as he's putting it in. So I have to agree - diesel appears to be getting dirty this year.

pakalasa

Dirty or Northen Ireland dirty ???

reilig

pakalasa wrote: »

Dirty or Northen Ireland dirty ???

Possibly a bit of both, I'd say.

5live

From kerry so doubt northrn stuff coming here. Think it may be the biodiesel added but looks like lotsof filters needed in future

bbam

maidhc wrote: »

It probably isn't anything in the tank if the fuel is flowing from it freely.

Sorry, don't agree.. We were plagued with out DB996. Fuel would seem to flow freely, bleed no problem and then cut out when being worked..
Took the tank off and cleaned the crap out, that was two years ago and no problems since..

In addition, years ago in a previous life I drove a Ford custom Cab truck, 12 ton yoke..
It took a notion of cutting out when drawing full load and under pressure, it took weeks to source the problem, a split in the rubber seal round the water trap/bowl.. Would draw in air when the demand for diesel would increase above a certain level..

A small fracture in a diesel pipe would do likewise...

reilig

5live wrote: »

From kerry so doubt northrn stuff coming here.

You would be very surprised how far it travels.

denis086

weve been getting white and red diesel and heating oil from the same company for 6 yrs 1 tank was new 4yrs ago we have to clean the mesh filter in the nozzle of the tap on the tank out by blowing it out with the compressor about twice every fill in the tractors. Plus we usually have to let a little bit off into a bucket after each fill from the lorry because its so dirty and thats after leavin it settle for a day or 2.
Ive tried to get the father to change suppliers but he keeps ordering off them and we have a couple of warning lights on the tractors flashing constantly.
We did up the old house a while back had a fill of oil from another company from years ago but the house was closed up before any of it was used but we relit the aga in the house once it was finished everything was fine until we got a fill of oil from this crowd. You wouldnt believe the amount of muck in the filter and the tank has a fall of about 6"

snowman707

denis086 wrote: »

weve been getting white and red diesel and heating oil from the same company for 6 yrs 1 tank was new 4yrs ago we have to clean the mesh filter in the nozzle of the tap on the tank out by blowing it out with the compressor about twice every fill in the tractors. Plus we usually have to let a little bit off into a bucket after each fill from the lorry because its so dirty and thats after leavin it settle for a day or 2.
Ive tried to get the father to change suppliers but he keeps ordering off them and we have a couple of warning lights on the tractors flashing constantly.
We did up the old house a while back had a fill of oil from another company from years ago but the house was closed up before any of it was used but we relit the aga in the house once it was finished everything was fine until we got a fill of oil from this crowd. You wouldnt believe the amount of muck in the filter and the tank has a fall of about 6"

if you want a good filter you need a good external filter

http://www.rotech.ie/9_Filters.htm


any one getting bulk diesel should use these especially with modern diesel pumps and injectors

dar31

our 4600 is constantly giving us problems with fuel. reckon what ever kind of coating was on the inside of the tank is now gone and it is rusting slowly into the fuel. there is always a brown scum on the filters. the tractor dose very little work yet we still have to clean out tank every 12 -18 months. have the same problem with moffett which also has a steel fuel tank, only done it last week and it goes through 3 -4 fuel filters a year, for about 700hrs/yr. the other two tractors which have plastic fuel tanks never give one bit of trouble. all the diesel comes from the same plastic diesel tank on the farm.

millertime78

Having similar problems with my MF690 to those described above, just wondering is it possible to flush out the tanks without removing them?

marlyman

throw in a bottle of stanadyne fuel addidive one shot into a fill of diesel. that'll cure the problem.

kincaid

might just try that too as bloody 4600 give up again few weeks ago..tank must be full of dirt...

thanks

THE LINK WALSH

kincaid wrote: »

might just try that too as bloody 4600 give up again few weeks ago..tank must be full of dirt...

thanks

I had the same issue with a 6600 Q cab a few Years ago,the tank is most likely rusted out on the inside,it wont be cured by any amount of diesel additive or bits of piping instead of the gauze on the tap,a new tank will sort you but will cost around €5-600 from a NH Dealer,a second hand one wont be found too easy and mightnt be any better than the one you have on your tractor now,I moved on the 6600 and bought a 7740 4wd,twas handier than being stopped twice a Week.

dar31

marlyman wrote: »

throw in a bottle of stanadyne fuel addidive one shot into a fill of diesel. that'll cure the problem.

what will the stanadyne do for it.
thanks

Belongamick

Had an MF135 a couple of years ago - constantly stalling or spluttering especially in fine weather when you would need it most. Replaced filters, OK for a couple of hours, spluttering again. Local garage said they would remove tank, clean and get going again. Fine for a few weeks - you've guessed it, spluttering again! Out of pure frustration I removed the tank myself, rinsed it out. Heard something rattle inside - float I guessed. Removed cover to it and there was the float with a wadding around the signal wires that gave the fuel level. Held this wadding between thumb and index finger and it was breaking down in the diesel into tiny black rubber specks. Removed this wadding and put all back together. Tractor never spluttered again and I don't think the fuel filter were changed for a couple of years after.:D

THE LINK WALSH

dar31 wrote: »

what will the stanadyne do for it.
thanks

Fcuk all,the tank in yer 30 something Year old tractor is rotting,its a common problem with the Ford 4-7600 tractor,dont waste your money on fuel additive.

Muckit

The big question is did the hay get rowed in time for the baler after all that?:D

marlyman

http://www.stanadyne.com/docs/puba/99549%20DFA%20rev%209%2008.pdf

check this out.

ford4610

I have the exact same problem with my ford it's breaking my heart I had to clean out the diesel tank twice in the last couple of years. I put a pipe the off the bottom of the tank. The tractor is hard to start and it is sticking in the revs so even if you put the throttle to the last it's only reving as it would be half way down.