Parent Child Parking Spaces - Name n Shame em...

skodaman

Was in Artane Castle last weekend and was amazed at the blatent abuse of not only the parent and child spaces but disabled also!

Great to see civic duty, compassion, mind thy neighbour is alive and kicking in post celtic tiger Ireland...http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/1443/artanecastle1.jpg

skodaman

....three cars literally side by side and not a child to be seen......

Absurdum

resize and rotate PLEASE

chucken1

Would they not be in the castle with the parent??

Guy:Incognito

Wow, trying to look at those photos is hurtign my brain.

Eoin

Absurdum wrote: »

resize and rotate PLEASE

I've changed the image tags to link tags - those photos are huge and on their side.

SugarHigh

Parent Child Parking Spaces are a load of bollocks anyway.

CharlieCroker

a) nothing illegal in it! (parent spaces, not disabled spaces)
b) how do you know these people didn't have kids?
or
are you just annoyed that none of the spaces were free for you?

squod

I want lazy spaces, by the door.

crosstownk

What do the photos prove? Did you see children embark/disembark from the vehicles in your photos?

Resize and rotate the images. My display feels sick.

unkel

I've just overstretched my neck looking at those pics

Do you even know for sure those cars were not supposed to be parked there? There is no evidence whatsoever in your pics.

That said, I'm the first to give out about anti-social egocentric arseholes who don't give a feck about anyone but themselves and park in disabled / parent and child parking spaces. Go right ahead and park where you shouldn't. Don't rest assured though, sometime in future you will pay the price :karma:

ArphaRima

Parent and Child spaces are a load of crap.
I just dont agree with the concept.

I always park in them.

keithclancy

You think thats bad

shakencat

Just because there is no car seat,

does not mean there are no children.

and what difference does it make to you anyway?
clearly you would NEVER dream of of parking in any of the spaces..
would you?

Mr.David

keithclancy wrote: »

You think thats bad

I came across this in a hotel carpark in Cologne last month. Now I don't speak German, but if that says what I think it does full marks to the Germans as they have managed to:

a) appear respectful and gentlemanly towards their ladyfolk
b) and more importantly keep all the awful parkers in the same area so that their cars don't get destroyed by some PMSing mom

Cookie_Monster

I unashamedly park in them now and again. There's no official or legal definition for them, they are nothing but a marketing gimmick by supermarkets that have managed to catch on for some reason.

Would never use a disabled bay though.

Anan1

Mr.David wrote: »

I came across this in a hotel carpark in Cologne last month. Now I don't speak German, but if that says what I think it does full marks to the Germans as they have managed to:

a) appear respectful and gentlemanly towards their ladyfolk
b) and more importantly keep all the awful parkers in the same area so that their cars don't get destroyed by some PMSing mom

We don't do sexism here, not even when it's as confused as the above.

JD1763

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I unashamedly park in them now and again. There's no official or legal definition for them, they are nothing but a marketing gimmick by supermarkets that have managed to catch on for some reason.

Would never use a disabled bay though.

Agree completely, having a kid is no reason to receive designated parking.

mecanoman

I find that they are a good idea, seen people struggle with young children
trying to wander off while their parent puts the shopping in the car.
I'd never park in them. Just think its quite selfish of thoses who do.
A little bit extra of a walk never hurts.

Anan1

If you live by the premise that legal = right and illegal = wrong then there's no reason not to use them without a child. If.

Cantona's Collars

I think mother and child spaces are a great idea,firstly they're wider than normal spaces to allow loading and unloading of kids and all that comes with them.Plus the spaces tend to be away from the normal car spaces which is great because your car wont get smashed in by having doors and buggies slammed against it.
I have had 2 instances of my car being hit by women with kids in their car.One was caught on cctv pushing in the whole side of my car while trying to park a people carrier and then driving off.Another had her kid slam the door off my car while I was sitting in it-she apologised and the proceeded to do the very same thing herself.So in my opinion the further way from normal spaces they are the better.
They tend to be near the door of a supermarket to make it handy so you will always see lazy folk use them to save walking an extra ten yards when clearly they don't have kids.Old people tend to be the worst offenders,most of them would drive into the store if given half a chance and no I'm not being ageist.

Hellrazer

Sorry Zerks but they arent "mother and child" spaces--As far as Im aware they are "parent and child" spaces.

I was actually told once by a member of security staff that these spaces were "mother and child" parking spaces,despite me having the two younger ones with me,child seats,buggy and all in tow.This bloke asks me to park somewhere else and I lost it with him.

But in all fairness they are quite handy since they have that extra bit of room either side for opening doors and getting the kids out.

Still I`d never park in them if I didnt have the kids with me even if the car seats are still in the car and I could get away with it.

djimi

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I unashamedly park in them now and again. There's no official or legal definition for them, they are nothing but a marketing gimmick by supermarkets that have managed to catch on for some reason.

Would never use a disabled bay though.

They keep kids away from my car, and anything that does that is alright in my book. Id be quite happy to see 100 parent and child spaces if it means my car is less at risk of having a kid swing a door into the side of it.

star-pants

Indeed OP did you watch & see that there were no children in the car?

I personally wouldn't park in a parent & child spot even though you'd be tempted. I think it is a good idea, to have them closer to the shop (or wherever) so if they've young children they're not trying to dodge cars with them, and for the extra space to open doors. Sure everyone has seen the amount of giving out in the 'obnoxious parking' thread how they hate people slamming doors open to get kids in & out, with extra space there's less chance of that.

OldmanMondeo

Here we go again, the lazy arses come out claiming that P&C spots are useless and why should non-parent drivers not be "allowed" use them.. The idea behind P&C spots is to help parents, who may be stressed out from trying to get some shopping done, witht the kids, be able to pack them back up in the car without causing more stress and prevent causing damage to other cars.

TBH I only use them now when my 2 year old is in the car, as the older lad can get into the car himself. Maybe these would be better known as Parent and Toddler spaces.

People who use these spaces, while not have kids are ignorant to other road users. Would you break a traffic light cause it is descrimitation against you from moving? Cop on people.

I have nothing more to say on this subject and It probably will end up locked like all other P&C space threads.

Cantona's Collars

Hellrazer wrote: »

Sorry Zerks but they arent "mother and child" spaces--As far as Im aware they are "parent and child" spaces.

I was actually told once by a member of security staff that these spaces were "mother and child" parking spaces,despite me having the two younger ones with me,child seats,buggy and all in tow.This bloke asks me to park somewhere else and I lost it with him.

But in all fairness they are quite handy since they have that extra bit of room either side for opening doors and getting the kids out.

Still I`d never park in them if I didnt have the kids with me even if the car seats are still in the car and I could get away with it.

Knew I'd get picked up on the whole 'parent and child thing' Pedantic Pat in da house-I had it typed out and wasn't bothered about changing it .I use them when I have the little lad with me as normal spaces are awkward when trying to get him in and out of my car as car park designers must think people are like the Dukes of Hazard and don't need to use doors-if yer man had confronted me like that God help him,fukcin jobsworth.
I think it's the fact that these spaces are so near entrances that the attraction is there for everyone.
There was an instance in the U.K when Jordan (I know,I know) had a row with a pensioner who was able bodied over parking in a disabled space,the pensioner believed he had a right to park in it cos he was old.Her son is disabled by the way.

Quazzie

zerks wrote: »

Plus the spaces tend to be away from the normal car spaces which is great because your car wont get smashed in by having doors and buggies slammed against it.

I find it funny that its the same people who give out and don't adhere to the parent and child spaces are the same people who quiet often give out that someone hit their car with a door. You can't have it both ways.

Tbh while there may be no obligation on us not to use them if we're not parents, I don't see why we shouldn't just take another space. It costs nothing to be nice and try helping someone out?

Cantona's Collars

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I unashamedly park in them now and again. There's no official or legal definition for them, they are nothing but a marketing gimmick by supermarkets that have managed to catch on for some reason.

Would never use a disabled bay though.

Cheers Cookie_Monster, you're so considerate-not.Wait til you have a couple of kids and try to use a normal space with 4 inches of room between cars.IDIOT.

Gonzales

crosstownk wrote: »

What do the photos prove?

the first photo proves absolutely nothing to me, is this a troll?

Cookie_Monster

zerks wrote: »

Cheers Cookie_Monster, you're so considerate-not.Wait til you have a couple of kids and try to use a normal space with 4 inches of room between cars.IDIOT.

I usually am very considerate, but damned if I am going to be discriminated against by Tesco for not having kids. If there are free spaces I don't use them but if not and they are free I do.

And I used to work for them too, and they freely admit they cannot and do not enforce them, its just a marketing gimmick.

Quazzie

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

If there are free spaces I don't use them but if not and they are free I do.

I don't think I've ever seen a full Tesco car park. I think what you meant to say is that if you're too lazy to walk from the free space down the back then you'll us it.

Anan1

zerks wrote: »

Cheers Cookie_Monster, you're so considerate-not.Wait til you have a couple of kids and try to use a normal space with 4 inches of room between cars.IDIOT.

Personal abuse will get you a ban, first & final warning.

cowhands

My other half works in a supermarket and see's this on a regular basis. There is even one woman who works in the shop who constantly parks her car in the parent and children spots all day while in work instead of using the staff car park as its closer to the door (she doesnt even have kids in the first place!).
I think it shows lack of respect for the customers with children.

As a mother of a toddler myself, I find these parking spaces extremely useful, the extra few inches allows me to get her in and out without clanging doors with neighbouring cars, or squeezing and pulling her from the car causing distress. As these spaces are closer to the doors its only a quick run to the shop if its raining saving a soaking toddler sitting in a wet trolley while I try do the shopping. It also means easier access to the trolleys so less time taken up unloading the messages into the car while trying to keep hold of a rambling toddler or leaving her unattended in the car.

Its not against the law to park in these spaces while childless but why would you cause someone with a child the extra hassle and fustrations, surely its only decent? I would never park in a parent and child space if I didnt have the baby with me.

pippip

I think the op should be open to the possibility that they could be going in to collect a child.

I know it would be very rare but unless the op actually asked the person they saw leaving the vehicle then I think its very unfair to be posting any pictures based on assumption.

djimi

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I usually am very considerate, but damned if I am going to be discriminated against by Tesco for not having kids. If there are free spaces I don't use them but if not and they are free I do.

And I used to work for them too, and they freely admit they cannot and do not enforce them, its just a marketing gimmick.

Do you really fail to see the benefit of having less kids jumping out of MPVs smashing into other cars in a car park? Or for allowing people an extra few inches to sort out the baby seat? Ill be honest I dont have kids so the issue of the baby seat is not one I appreciate too much (I get it but not from first hand experience), but I do like my car enough to be damn glad that by having designated spaces for kids it means there is less risk of my car being damaged. I dont really see why that is so hard to understand.

Its not like the regular spaces are a 20 minute walk away from the shop...

Cookie_Monster

Quazzie wrote: »

I don't think I've ever seen a full Tesco car park. I think what you meant to say is that if you're too lazy to walk from the free space down the back then you'll us it.

no actually, the space are further from the entrance and take longer to drive out from, I'd rather park closer to the car park exit and walk a bit further as its quicker to exit the car park, Tesco Ballybrack by the way.

Hellrazer

zerks wrote: »

Knew I'd get picked up on the whole 'parent and child thing' Pedantic Pat in da house-

I didnt mean it like that and hope I didnt come across wrong--It just does my head in.Its like Im not allowed to use these spaces because Im a man with 2 kids rather than a woman with 2 kids.I still have the same issues as a woman with trying to load/unload a car with two under 3.

Similar story with babies changing rooms and theres a thread in parenting about that.

Can you imagine if there was only "Father and child" parking or "Father and child" babies changing rooms---There would be absolute uproar from women about it.

And as you see from my previous post I was asked to park elsewhere because I wasnt a woman parking in a "Parent and child" parking spot--The bloke actually had the nerve to point out that the picture painted on the ground was a picture of a woman (in a skirt) and a baby--annoying as anything.

Hellrazer

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

And I used to work for them too, and they freely admit they cannot and do not enforce them, its just a marketing gimmick.

It was in a Tescos that I had my run in with a member of security so you cant say that they dont enforce the rules regarding these parking spaces.

Cookie_Monster

Hellrazer wrote: »

It was in a Tescos that I had my run in with a member of security so you cant say that they dont enforce the rules regarding these parking spaces.

Security don't even enforce the disabled bays in my local store. many of them are outside O'Briens so frequently used by people going to get booze. Never ever seen a reaction from a security guard...

Hellrazer

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Security don't even enforce the disabled bays in my local store. many of them are outside O'Briens so frequently used by people going to get booze. Never ever seen a reaction from a security guard...

Well I see them enforce the disabled bays all the time in mine--theyve eased up on the parents parking though.Although the odd time they`ll ask someone to move if they have no kids with them.

Cantona's Collars

Common courtesy is a thing that seems to disappear as soon as some people sit behind the wheel.There's a supermarket down my way that has limited parking outside and a car park across the road.I've seen people abandon cars on the road simply to avoid walking a bit further-it's also on a busy junction.These are the same type of people that will park in parent+child spaces without a thought and if they're confronted abuse is usually given back or a snort of derision.
There may not be a legal obligation on parking there but in fairness,have a bit of cop on folks.How often have you seen a half empty car park and the parent+child spaces full but not a kid in sight? The tartan blanket in the back window of the cars is a clue to who drives them-the Werthers Originals are usually hidden out of sight.:)
Just got annoyed with Cookie_Monsters post - no real offence meant.

djimi

Arent disabled spaces a legal thing? As in, if the security dont enforce it the guards still can? Or am I completely wrong on that...?!!

deelite

IMO I think supermarkets are missing an opportunity with regards to parking - they should have special places for single people looking for romance!!!!

Cookie_Monster

deelite wrote: »

IMO I think supermarkets are missing an opportunity with regards to parking - they should have special places for single people looking for romance!!!!

how about men only queues, faster, buy less and more organised with their money. But you can't be doing that, there'd be outrage :rolleyes:

deelite

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

how about men only queues, faster, buy less and more organised with their money. But you can't be doing that, there'd be outrage :rolleyes:

Great idea - and you could also have the queue where the person in front of you can't find their cash, and then use their card and can't remember their number, and then the manager has to come down and all the items have to be returned and you have to wait 10 minutes to be served - oh sorry we already have one of those queues.

MetzgerMeister

keithclancy wrote: »

You think thats bad

Sexism of the highest order!.....or is it just that these spaces are a lot easier to park in?? :rolleyes:

ectoraige

Anan1 wrote: »

If you live by the premise that legal = right and illegal = wrong then there's no reason not to use them without a child. If.

That's a silly premise though. I can legally sleep with your wife/husband, but that doesn't mean it's socially the right thing to do.

Parent+child spaces are great especially when you have a stage-1 infant seat to squeeze in and out of the car. Having kids in tow can turn the simplest everyday task into a veritable nightmare. The extra space is also useful just for parking the buggy out of the way while getting other kids into the car.

However there are some parent+child spaces which are no wider than a normal parking space, the only difference is they are beside the entrance. I'd wager any parent would much prefer extra space to a shorter walk. Once the kids and paraphernalia are setup, we can be quite mobile really. There's no real need for the parent+child spaces to be right beside the entrance, if there's a safe walking route.

keithclancy

einheisserschre wrote: »

Sexism of the highest order!.....or is it just that these spaces are a lot easier to park in?? :rolleyes:

We have them at work, when I asked about it its basically a security thing for women, theres a recommended distance that they have to walk to a secure area to minimise risk against attacks, rape, assault etc.

Abelloid

I think Tesco in Wilton have the right idea, large P&C spaces around the corner from the main door, but still on the same kerb.
You can park closer to the door (if that's what is important to you) without using a P&C space.

Abelloid

keithclancy wrote: »

We have them at work, when I asked about it its basically a security thing for women, theres a recommended distance that they have to walk to a secure area to minimise risk against attacks, rape, assault etc.

Jebus! Where do you work?