Joe Sheridan interview-A few weeks on.

Royal Seahawk

]Yes I know it's in the past and what's done is done but I thought most true Gaa fans would find this interesting, Joe Sheridan's take on the whole incident after having a few weeks to reflect on it........

http://www.tribune.ie/sport/gaelic-football/article/2010/aug/08/i-dont-regret-that-goal/

Het-Field

I was never of the view that Joe Sheridan cheated. Since the Henry incident (which was blatent cheating, which should have been heavily punished), every foul (Luis Suarez), poor refereeing decision (Joe Sheridan's goal), and everymistake has been deemed "cheating".

However, the interview has a fairly pathetic air about it. Statements like "I did my best to kick it in", "I said it was a goal, because in my mind it was a goal" are nonsensical and spurious. All charges of cheating aside, the goal shouldnt have stood. It is not a justifiable goal, and it was contrary to the rules of play. Sheridan's motives were far more benevolent then Theirry Henry's. However, this cannot negate the fact that the goal is tained by the fact that on another day, and another referee would not have given the goal.

"Does the Leinster Title mean any less" ? Im still amazed that Meath fans and players are seekiing to use it as a gloss over a very poor season. A freak result against Dublin, a dubious Leinster Title, and a hockying be a superior Kildare team add up to a season whereby they must stick to their guns and defend their title.

teednab-el

Like they always say and its right You never get any luck for cheating. Look at France in the world cup...look at Meath against Kildare.

mossyc123

"Freak result against Dublin"..."very poor season"

Sure we HAMMERED the Dubs out the gate, beat Offaly & Laois fairly handy (albeit after a replay) and hung in till the end against Louth to win our 1st Leinster in 9 years. Hardly a poor season in fairness.

"Karma" = a load of bull****!

What happened against Kildare has nothing to do with anything else that happened this season...the better team on the day won and fair play to them. That's how we react to triumph and disaster in Meath...treat those two imposters just the same!

aDeener

where is he going that he was fouled and that it should have been a penalty?

ANXIOUS

aDeener wrote: »

where is he going that he was fouled and that it should have been a penalty?

Thats the bit that i dont get, why doesnt he just put his hand up and admit it.

Floppybits

aDeener wrote: »

where is he going that he was fouled and that it should have been a penalty?

Thats the bit I am still trying to figure out, where was this foul? I haven't seen any foul at any stage in all the replays of the incident. From what I can see he caught the ball and then dived for the line and then threw the ball the in. I could see no foul on him, seen no pushing him. So where is the foul?

aidan24326

Floppybits wrote: »

Thats the bit I am still trying to figure out, where was this foul? I haven't seen any foul at any stage in all the replays of the incident. From what I can see he caught the ball and then dived for the line and then threw the ball the in. I could see no foul on him, seen no pushing him. So where is the foul?

I'm fairly sure there was no foul, but in fairness anyone who's ever played the game will kinda understand where he's coming from there. He may have got a slight nudge or felt he'd been fouled even if he wasn't. I'm sure there was many a time where I thought I'd been fouled but actually wasn't. We've all screamed at the ref for a free or a penalty fully believing we were wronged, even though in actuality we might not have been. And I don't think it was 'cheating' as such. He threw the ball in what seemed like an attempt to kick it. It's all immaterial now anyway, and if Louth are good enough let them come back and win it next year.

Het-Field

mossyc123 wrote: »

"Freak result against Dublin"..."very poor season"

Sure we HAMMERED the Dubs out the gate, beat Offaly & Laois fairly handy (albeit after a replay) and hung in till the end against Louth to win our 1st Leinster in 9 years. Hardly a poor season in fairness.

"Karma" = a load of bull****!

What happened against Kildare has nothing to do with anything else that happened this season...the better team on the day won and fair play to them. That's how we react to triumph and disaster in Meath...treat those two imposters just the same!

Maybe not a poor season.

Meath didnt "hammer Dublin out the gate". It was a complete freak result. dont disagree that the win was justified, however, the margin of victory was totally freak and was distorted. In 2008 Tyrone were certainly 10 points ahead of Dublin, the same applied to Kerry in 2009. Meath were nowhere near 10 points ahead of the Dubs. They benefitted from a transitional, non functioning and disconnected back 7. Three of those goals would not have been scored if Dublin's backline was functioning that day. Most Meathmen I know, and several on this forum agree with me on that point.

Laois who were beaten by Tipp in the qualifiers ? Offaly, who are one of Leinster's weakest ? Louth, who were roasted by Dublin ? Sorry, Im just not on the same page with you.

blackbelt

Het-Field wrote: »

Maybe not a poor season.

Meath didnt "hammer Dublin out the gate". It was a complete freak result. dont disagree that the win was justified, however, the margin of victory was totally freak and was distorted. In 2008 Tyrone were certainly 10 points ahead of Dublin, the same applied to Kerry in 2009. Meath were nowhere near 10 points ahead of the Dubs. They benefitted from a transitional, non functioning and disconnected back 7. Three of those goals would not have been scored if Dublin's backline was functioning that day. Most Meathmen I know, and several on this forum agree with me on that point.

Laois who were beaten by Tipp in the qualifiers ? Offaly, who are one of Leinster's weakest ? Louth, who were roasted by Dublin ? Sorry, Im just not on the same page with you.

Not a disaster season for Meath but I feel it won't be reflected on fondly by them either.Had they won the Leinster Final legitimately,you could argue that it was a fantastic season for them in terms of reaching a target but we all know the better team actually "lost" that game.I would still say that Dublin are the strongest team in Leinster followed by Kildare.The jury is still out on Louth unfortunately.

They beat Dublin twice this year but I saw nothing special from this starting Meath 15 who stumbled over the line against a very inexperienced,new and strung together Dublin in the O Byrne.Having done that,they fell flat on their faces against DCU.

League campaign was ominous.Good displays against Armagh,Kildare and Laois but totally mixed it up with poor performances against Down,Donegal and Tipp.Again,you have to ask is Meath a serious contender in any given year for Sam.For a 2nd tier team they are very inconsistent.

I'm convinced that Leinster wasn't on the Dubs radar this year.For a team in transition,it is hard to believe that the manager would publicly announce that not winning Leinster wouldn't be a disaster.Meanwhile you had Ciaran Whelan touting Meath with their forwards for Leinster.

Joe Sheridan didn't go out to cheat that day but he is very naive if he is to still think he thought the goal was legit or a penalty otherwise.Whether a player is pushed over the line with the ball or walks it over,it is not a goal.I didn't see any foul either.

He can claim that the Leinster title is not tainted but other Meath legends and county board officials like Barney Allen have publicly said the title was tainted.

I still believe the Delaney Cup is a poisoned chalice.Winning Leinster has been the worst preparation for the All Ireland series no matter how competitive it is.Leinster Champions don't benefit anymore from the new format and now I feel Meath are in a position similar to Dublin 2008 side adding in the controversy.

tdot

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

]Yes I know it's in the past and what's done is done but I thought most true Gaa fans would find this interesting, Joe Sheridan's take on the whole incident after having a few weeks to reflect on it........

http://www.tribune.ie/sport/gaelic-football/article/2010/aug/08/i-dont-regret-that-goal/

That letter and facebook stuff is shocking. What sad b***rd feels that they have the right to threaten an amatuer player like that? He does not deserve that treatment and in fairness to him and the rest of the Meath team they have gone about their buisness since then with a great amount of decency.

As a Kildare man, im delighted we beat Meath but that has nothing to do with Louth losing the Leinster Final. Kildare would have hammered Louth if they played like that too.

Royal Seahawk

Het-Field wrote: »

Maybe not a poor season.

Meath didnt "hammer Dublin out the gate". It was a complete freak result. dont disagree that the win was justified, however, the margin of victory was totally freak and was distorted. In 2008 Tyrone were certainly 10 points ahead of Dublin, the same applied to Kerry in 2009. Meath were nowhere near 10 points ahead of the Dubs. They benefitted from a transitional, non functioning and disconnected back 7. Three of those goals would not have been scored if Dublin's backline was functioning that day. Most Meathmen I know, and several on this forum agree with me on that point.

Laois who were beaten by Tipp in the qualifiers ? Offaly, who are one of Leinster's weakest ? Louth, who were roasted by Dublin ? Sorry, Im just not on the same page with you.

But they were totally dismantled by the Meath forwards that day! God almighty, do you understand the sport? 'If' Dublin's backline performed- they didn't! 'If' Meath's midfield performed that day they would have beaten Dublin by more than ten points but they didn't. That's Gaelic Football!


Dublin's defence was shambolic that day and totally exposed by Meath's ruthless forwards. Meath were fully worth the ten point win that day, it wasn't their fault the Dublin defence was still finding it's feet. I know the two teams have travelled different paths sincebut there was nothing 'distorted' or 'freak' about Meath's massive win that day. Truth be told, there is no such thing as a 'freak' or 'distorted' ten point win, no matter what the code or the level.

dcr22B

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

Meath were fully worth the ten point win that day

You might want to learn how to count, ye won by 11 points :rolleyes:

Total and utter ballcocks that they were fully worth it though. Not that it matters anyway as your summer got worse for you after every game played. You must have thought you were shoe-ins for Sam the way ye were all singing up and down Clonliffe Road that day.

Meath deserved to win on the day, nobody can argue with that and the only place we were bet out the gate was on the scoreboard but sure isn't it handy when the auld ref is giving you the massive benefit of the decisions that led to your first 3 goals.

It's great to have the last laugh though as we have a semi final to look forward to and the Meath players can all go polishing their tainted Leinster medals that they'll so cherish in years to come.

blackbelt

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

But they were totally dismantled by the Meath forwards that day! God almighty, do you understand the sport? 'If' Dublin's backline performed- they didn't! 'If' Meath's midfield performed that day they would have beaten Dublin by more than ten points but they didn't. That's Gaelic Football!


Dublin's defence was shambolic that day and totally exposed by Meath's ruthless forwards. Meath were fully worth the ten point win that day, it wasn't their fault the Dublin defence was still finding it's feet. I know the two teams have travelled different paths sincebut there was nothing 'distorted' or 'freak' about Meath's massive win that day. Truth be told, there is no such thing as a 'freak' or 'distorted' ten point win, no matter what the code or the level.

I beg to differ.3 of those goals came off the back of terrible refereeing decisions.

First goal,Barry Cahill is wrongly penalised for "double hopping" the ball.This was shown not to be the case where he soloed the ball twice,bounced it,collected and soloed it again only for Hughes to penalise Cahill for bouncing it twice.

Another of the goals resulted with more blatant technical fouling of the ball.I think it was Graham Reilly who took a lot of steps,switched hands twice and double hopped the ball running through the midfield area.Again the referee failed to spot this.How this referee gets another game in the championship is beyond me.

And who could forget the lead up to Sheridans goal where Keaney was taken out of it with a dirty foul,ball ends up at the hoganstand sideline where a very soft free is given to Meath and then it ends up with Sheridan getting on the end of the free.

Full value for an 11 point win?I would say Meath would have won by about 3 points or thereabouts if those decisions didn't go against Dublin.However,the Dublin defense was awful that day and Meath did open the floodgates and that was further assisted by players caught between two game plans and pushing forward too deep after being criticised of playing too defensive.Full value for the win but 3 of the goals arising from bad refereeing distorted it.

Royal Seahawk

dcr22B wrote: »

You might want to learn how to count, ye won by 11 points :rolleyes:

Total and utter ballcocks that they were fully worth it though. Not that it matters anyway as your summer got worse for you after every game played. You must have thought you were shoe-ins for Sam the way ye were all singing up and down Clonliffe Road that day.

Meath deserved to win on the day, nobody can argue with that and the only place we were bet out the gate was on the scoreboard but sure isn't it handy when the auld ref is giving you the massive benefit of the decisions that led to your first 3 goals.

It's great to have the last laugh though as we have a semi final to look forward to and the Meath players can all go polishing their tainted Leinster medals that they'll so cherish in years to come.

I'm not disputing the fact that Dublin are in a far better position than Meath now and fair play to Dublin. I'd love to see them win an All-Ireland for a few different reasons.
I don't know any Meath fan who thought we were a shoe in for the All Ireland after that game to be honest. Are they not supposed to celebrate after beating their biggest rivals for the first time in nine years in such emphatic style?

dcr22B

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

Are they not supposed to celebrate after beating their biggest rivals for the first time in nine years in such emphatic style?

Fair enough, we were getting used to seeing you NOT celebrate

blackbelt

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

I'm not disputing the fact that Dublin are in a far better position than Meath now and fair play to Dublin. I'd love to see them win an All-Ireland for a few different reasons.
I don't know any Meath fan who thought we were a shoe in for the All Ireland after that game to be honest. Are they not supposed to celebrate after beating their biggest rivals for the first time in nine years in such emphatic style?

Correct on all accounts.Any day Dublin beat Meath is a great day so naturally its the same for Meath when they do beat Dublin which has been quite rare in the last 10 years.

I kinda chuckled to myself back in January when Meath fans said Leinster would be the minimum objective after they beat Dublin in Navan.With some of the big guns that had yet to come back,I thought Dublin would still go for Leinster this year but after assessing what has been said and how the season is panning out,I believe Gilroy and the squad are/were viewing Leinster as a barrier to greater things more than anything else.

Het-Field

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

But they were totally dismantled by the Meath forwards that day! God almighty, do you understand the sport? 'If' Dublin's backline performed- they didn't! 'If' Meath's midfield performed that day they would have beaten Dublin by more than ten points but they didn't. That's Gaelic Football!


Dublin's defence was shambolic that day and totally exposed by Meath's ruthless forwards. Meath were fully worth the ten point win that day, it wasn't their fault the Dublin defence was still finding it's feet. I know the two teams have travelled different paths sincebut there was nothing 'distorted' or 'freak' about Meath's massive win that day. Truth be told, there is no such thing as a 'freak' or 'distorted' ten point win, no matter what the code or the level.

5-09

Again, 5-09.

How often have you seen a result like that ? Meath scored 6 points from play. Only 6 points. In 2009 Kerry managed to rack up 1-24 and in 2008 Tyrone hit us for 3-17. Look at the score which Meath put up. Dont tell me for one second that 5-09 is not freak or a once off.

There was no dismantling. Three route one balls dropped over the heads of a diconnected backline. That would rarely if ever happen. It was nothing to do with fouls or bad reffing decisions. It was three lucky goals, which were scored on the hop.

Meath were worth a 2-4 point win that day. That is all. Again, Meath scored as many goals in the second half as they did points. It was a FREAK result, which will never be repeated

Morgans

I think Meath were exposed at best being the third best team in Leinster, and maybe the fourth. For champions, they will need a similar amount of luck next year to repeat their win.

On Joe Sheridan cheating. I class it as the attempt to deceive the ref. Henry cheated, Suarez didnt (blatant foul, no meaningful attempt to hide it, took his punishment) and Sheridan did cheat. Diving when no-one touched him in a ham-fisted way to claim a penalty or possibly to get the ball over the line, and then protesting with the ref that it was a valid goal as Sludden went towards his umpires, when he knew it clearly wasn't. It was first and foremost an awful refereeing decision, its up to the ref to get those decisions right, but Sheridan was attempting to cheat the ref and he succeeded. Just like any other player who dives, or who holds his face feigning injury, getting innocent players yellow or red cards. The ref should notice the dive, but the player is cheating as he is lying.

Sheridan always strikes me as the big fish in a small pond in Meath, with the hard man routine and 'just give me the ball and I'll win it for ye' attitude. The Steven Gerrard of GAA, without his good bits.

Hammer Archer

Morgans wrote: »

I think Meath were exposed at best being the third best team in Leinster, and maybe the fourth. For champions, they will need a similar amount of luck next year to repeat their win.

On Joe Sheridan cheating. I class it as the attempt to deceive the ref. Henry cheated, Suarez didnt (blatant foul, no meaningful attempt to hide it, took his punishment) and Sheridan did cheat. Diving when no-one touched him in a ham-fisted way to claim a penalty or possibly to get the ball over the line, and then protesting with the ref that it was a valid goal as Sludden went towards his umpires, when he knew it clearly wasn't. It was first and foremost an awful refereeing decision, its up to the ref to get those decisions right, but Sheridan was attempting to cheat the ref and he succeeded. Just like any other player who dives, or who holds his face feigning injury, getting innocent players yellow or red cards. The ref should notice the dive, but the player is cheating as he is lying.

Sheridan always strikes me as the big fish in a small pond in Meath, with the hard man routine and 'just give me the ball and I'll win it for ye' attitude. The Steven Gerrard of GAA, without his good bits.

What an absolutely laughable post. Really, did you even read the article? He said at the time he did think it was a goal but admits now that he was wrong.
And furthermore Joe Sheridan did not cheat! Would you call every single player who takes more then the four steps a cheater. What about the Louth player that got a free given against him for diving? Strange I don't hear you say anything about that. And nothing about the disgraceful conduct of the Louth players trying to kick lumps out of Meath players near the end. There were also several other diving incidents that the referee didn't notice. But of course this wasn't "big bad Meath" perpretrating these acts.

Also how exactly are we the third or fourth best team in Leinster? I would class Kildare to be better than us at the moment but thats pretty much it. We played as bad against Kildare in the second half as we did against Louth, the only difference being that Kildare were good enough to take advantage of it.
And I don't care what anyone says about the Dublin game, we were by far the better team everywhere except midfield. There may have been dodgy refereeing decisions but they all happened at least 70 yards from goal so in no way did the referee influence what happened in the 15-20 seconds after. 11 points was flattering but I think 6-7 points would have been a fair result.

Seriously, I'm sick of talking about this one refereeing decision that happened over a month ago and the absolutely ridiculous goings on afterwards. The fact that people are abusing and threatening Joe is disgusting but of course there is very little being said about that.
Like Joe says in the interview, "if a bad decision is given you take it and roll with it" and unfortunately no one seems to be doing that. We've had some horrendous decisions go against us in recent years but we've shaken it off and taken our defeats when they came. Unfortunately, very few people are able to do the same in this case.

Morgans

Hammer Archer wrote: »

What an absolutely laughable post. Really, did you even read the article? He said at the time he did think it was a goal but admits now that he was wrong.
And furthermore Joe Sheridan did not cheat! Would you call every single player who takes more then the four steps a cheater. What about the Louth player that got a free given against him for diving? Strange I don't hear you say anything about that. And nothing about the disgraceful conduct of the Louth players trying to kick lumps out of Meath players near the end. There were also several other diving incidents that the referee didn't notice. But of course this wasn't "big bad Meath" perpretrating these acts.

Also how exactly are we the third or fourth best team in Leinster? I would class Kildare to be better than us at the moment but thats pretty much it. We played as bad against Kildare in the second half as we did against Louth, the only difference being that Kildare were good enough to take advantage of it.
And I don't care what anyone says about the Dublin game, we were by far the better team everywhere except midfield. There may have been dodgy refereeing decisions but they all happened at least 70 yards from goal so in no way did the referee influence what happened in the 15-20 seconds after. 11 points was flattering but I think 6-7 points would have been a fair result.

Seriously, I'm sick of talking about this one refereeing decision that happened over a month ago and the absolutely ridiculous goings on afterwards. The fact that people are abusing and threatening Joe is disgusting but of course there is very little being said about that.
Like Joe says in the interview, "if a bad decision is given you take it and roll with it" and unfortunately no one seems to be doing that. We've had some horrendous decisions go against us in recent years but we've shaken it off and taken our defeats when they came. Unfortunately, very few people are able to do the same in this case.

Im from neither Meath nor Louth. Just as Kildare were caught by a focused Louth early in the campaign. Dublin had a very ugly start to Leinster - against Wexford and Meath. However, if they were scheduled to meet next week, Dublin would be favs. As would Kildare vs Meath, and Louth would be a 50/50 call.

I didnt call any Louth player a cheat, didnt mention it. I'm sure plenty are. But, unless you are incapable of reading, every player that takes more than 4 steps isn't cheating. Those who commit fouls aren't cheating. Those who dive are. Those who try to pretend they didnt commit a foul are. Its not difficult. Its trying to deceive is the cheating, not committing a foul. Its not that hard to understand. And Joe Sheridan cheated.

The days of big bad Meath are 20 years ago. The idea that the country still holds a grudge for Martin O'Connell dancing on Tyrone lads heads 20 years ago is laughable. The only people who refer to it are Meath supporters. I suppose to some it makes Meath seem important in GAA these days. But continue playing up the idea that everybody hates you, when the reality is that Meath haven't been a threat to anyone important for a generation. No-one cares whether they win or lose. If it was Dublin who won in the same circumstances, the same uproar would have ensued. The story was that of Louth missing out on their Leinster title, not of Meath winning because of the ref's decisin.

mossyc123

Meath are a better team then Dublin. We beat you by 11 points this year. Shackled your forwards, won a lot of ball and even when we were only 3 points up with about 20-25 mins to go it was obvious we were going to win. Meath reached the All-Ireland Semi's last year and Dublin didn't. Nobody claimed we were better then The Dubs in '09 because they had beaten us. Don't understand how you could say now that Dublin are better... Cos they beat Tyrone maybe?! Been there, done that in '07 (arguably a better Tyrone team back then too)

mossyc123

Het-Field wrote: »

5-09

Again, 5-09.

How often have you seen a result like that ? Meath scored 6 points from play. Only 6 points. In 2009 Kerry managed to rack up 1-24 and in 2008 Tyrone hit us for 3-17. Look at the score which Meath put up. Dont tell me for one second that 5-09 is not freak or a once off.

There was no dismantling. Three route one balls dropped over the heads of a diconnected backline. That would rarely if ever happen. It was nothing to do with fouls or bad reffing decisions. It was three lucky goals, which were scored on the hop.

Meath were worth a 2-4 point win that day. That is all. Again, Meath scored as many goals in the second half as they did points. It was a FREAK result, which will never be repeated

Meath were worth what they won by. 11 points. You'll just have to swallow that mate.

Het-Field

mossyc123 wrote: »

Meath are a better team then Dublin. We beat you by 11 points this year. Shackled your forwards, won a lot of ball and even when we were only 3 points up with about 20-25 mins to go it was obvious we were going to win. Meath reached the All-Ireland Semi's last year and Dublin didn't. Nobody claimed we were better then The Dubs in '09 because they had beaten us. Don't understand how you could say now that Dublin are better... Cos they beat Tyrone maybe?! Been there, done that in '07 (arguably a better Tyrone team back then too)

Arguably better Tyrone team. Dont make me laugh. That Tyrone team was on it's last legs. It took a bounce in 2008 which nobody expected to re-awaken them.

Dublin were in a transitionary stage in June. In fact, we still are. But Dublin have had the beating of Meath for the past nine years, and I would venture that the current 15 would beat Meath.

"Shackled your forwards". Another dubious assertion. If Bernard Brogan had not been stopped in his tracks when racing through on goal, and Paul Flynn's effort not cannoned off the post, then the scoreline would have been far tighter. Dublin hit 13 points that day. Meath hit 9. Again, three route one goals dont make Meath 11 points better then Dublin,

Dublin have been consistent Leinister Champions between 2005-2009. As people will be at pains to point out, Kerry and Tyrone are not spun out simply because the lost to Downa nd Down respectively. The same applies to Dublin. The fact that Dublin are dethroned Leinster Champions, doesnt mean that the unbridled provincial success which they have enjoyed counts for nothing.

Finally, the extent of Meath's victory is meaningless. The score of 5-09 is freak and uncommon.

I suppose I can swallow it, if you can swallow your "Leinster Championsip"

wow sierra

Joe Sheridan is a very good footballer, and although I have never met him, I have no reason to believe he isn't a nice person and a credit to his family. What happened in the Louth game was a split second incident misread by poor officials. It doesn't mean Joe Sheridan is a cheat. It doesn't lessen the value of the Leinster Title. Writing letters to the home address of amatuer players is a disgrace.

The calls for a replay were based on a condecending attitude of "Ahh poor Louth, it isn't fair" Guess f##king what LIFE ISNT FAIR, SPORT ISNT FAIR. After match discussions after Club games, League games, under age games, 5 aside soccer etc almost always involve WE WAS ROBBED comments, square balls, overcarrying, off the ball dangerous tackles, points awarded that were clearly wide etc etc etc.

All this years Leinster final meant to me in terms of Meath reputation is to show that they are never beaten until the final whistle. The other important fact which Louth fans would know if they had been hearing it at matches like I have for nearly half a century - 1/2 points is a very very very dangerous lead.

Gardoggle

teednab-el wrote: »

Like they always say and its right You never get any luck for cheating. Look at France in the world cup...look at Meath against Kildare.

+1

mossyc123

Het-Field wrote: »

Arguably better Tyrone team. Dont make me laugh. That Tyrone team was on it's last legs. It took a bounce in 2008 which nobody expected to re-awaken them.

Dublin were in a transitionary stage in June. In fact, we still are. But Dublin have had the beating of Meath for the past nine years, and I would venture that the current 15 would beat Meath.

"Shackled your forwards". Another dubious assertion. If Bernard Brogan had not been stopped in his tracks when racing through on goal, and Paul Flynn's effort not cannoned off the post, then the scoreline would have been far tighter. Dublin hit 13 points that day. Meath hit 9. Again, three route one goals dont make Meath 11 points better then Dublin,

Dublin have been consistent Leinister Champions between 2005-2009. As people will be at pains to point out, Kerry and Tyrone are not spun out simply because the lost to Downa nd Down respectively. The same applies to Dublin. The fact that Dublin are dethroned Leinster Champions, doesnt mean that the unbridled provincial success which they have enjoyed counts for nothing.

Finally, the extent of Meath's victory is meaningless. The score of 5-09 is freak and uncommon.

I suppose I can swallow it, if you can swallow your "Leinster Championsip"

Dublin's '05-'09 dominance is definitely not to be discounted as the only teams they lost to in that period were Tyrone, Kerry (both twice) and Mayo. And they are definitely in with a good chance of winning the whole thing this year.

However, the idea that Meath are somehow now behind Dublin because you have got further then us doesn't really wash. We won well this year and we can argue forever about the if's and but's of that game and how much the real margin of victory should of been but it doesn't change the fact that Meath won that game very comfortably...it was over long before the finish.

We've reached 2 All-Ireland Semi's '07 & '09 and some of the performances as well as the Leinster Title this year will give the team great confidence for 2011.

Best of luck with Cork and the rest of the year.

wow sierra

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Originally Posted by teednab-el View Post
Like they always say and its right You never get any luck for cheating. Look at France in the world cup...look at Meath against Kildare.

+1

All France in the World Cup showed was that we should have beaten them and qualified, given that they were so bad. End of story. Yes I was glad they did so badly but we failed to qualify because we didn't take our chances in the first half - Thierry was only a small part of it.

As regards Meath v Kildare. I was delighted Kildare won but it was a great game of football and Meath were quite impressive in it for most of the game - unlike Louth against Dublin. By the way I am not from Meath and I would have loved to have seen Louth win Leinster.

Het-Field

mossyc123 wrote: »

Dublin's '05-'09 dominance is definitely not to be discounted as the only teams they lost to in that period were Tyrone, Kerry (both twice) and Mayo. And they are definitely in with a good chance of winning the whole thing this year.

However, the idea that Meath are somehow now behind Dublin because you have got further then us doesn't really wash. We won well this year and we can argue forever about the if's and but's of that game and how much the real margin of victory should of been but it doesn't change the fact that Meath won that game very comfortably...it was over long before the finish.

We've reached 2 All-Ireland Semi's '07 & '09 and some of the performances as well as the Leinster Title this year will give the team great confidence for 2011.

Best of luck with Cork and the rest of the year.

I suppose the main difficulty I have with that game is that Dublin were still finding their feet. That team was unsuited and came badly unstuck. Players like Eoghan O Gara, and Michael Dara McCauley were not playing that day, David Henry had been dropped, and the likes of Bryan Cullen were playing in positions which they have been subsequently taken out of and redeployed in other areas of the ptich, which have proved more fruitful. Essentially, the Dublin team which Meath faced that day is very different to the current crop. I have made it clear that Meath were worthy of the win. But I maintain that it would be ludicrious to suggest that Meath are 11 points ahead of Dublin. Plus, given the changing circumstances, i dont think the performance that day can be used as a yardstick.

TBH, I think the real upside of this season is the spread of success amongst Leinster teams this term. Regardless of what anybody says Meath, Dublin and Kildare are safely enconsed in the Top 6 of Irish Football. 2011 will be as competitive a year for Leinster Football as we have seen in years. No longer will people be allowed laugh at Leinster Football as a weak province !

mossyc123

wow sierra wrote: »

Joe Sheridan is a very good footballer, and although I have never met him, I have no reason to believe he isn't a nice person and a credit to his family. What happened in the Louth game was a split second incident misread by poor officials. It doesn't mean Joe Sheridan is a cheat. It doesn't lessen the value of the Leinster Title. Writing letters to the home address of amatuer players is a disgrace.

The calls for a replay were based on a condecending attitude of "Ahh poor Louth, it isn't fair" Guess f##king what LIFE ISNT FAIR, SPORT ISNT FAIR. After match discussions after Club games, League games, under age games, 5 aside soccer etc almost always involve WE WAS ROBBED comments, square balls, overcarrying, off the ball dangerous tackles, points awarded that were clearly wide etc etc etc.

All this years Leinster final meant to me in terms of Meath reputation is to show that they are never beaten until the final whistle. The other important fact which Louth fans would know if they had been hearing it at matches like I have for nearly half a century - 1/2 points is a very very very dangerous lead.

T'was a slow news week. World Cup had just ended, country's in the ****ter, people needed something to bitch & moan about.
Bad decisions happen all the time. Sometimes they go for you, sometimes they go against.
That's basically what Joe said in the article and he's dead right.

Fandango

All ill say is that Sheridan threw the ball over the line yes, but he did attempt to kick it and missed. I think calling him a blatent cheat is a bit harsh. He may well have known the ball was already over the line when he went to kick, he may not as it was a mess in the square at the time. He could have admitted to the ref that he didnt make contact and handed the title to Louth but god knows what the fans would have done to him then! The only thing that annoys me is that he still wont admit it wasnt a legitimate goal. Game is over, result is set so theres no reason for him not to admit what we all saw at this stage. Comparing him to Henry tho is a bit harsh. Henry went out of his way to cheat and knew exactly what he was doing, i dont think the same can be said about Sheridan.

Morgans

mossyc123 wrote: »

Meath are a better team then Dublin. We beat you by 11 points this year. Shackled your forwards, won a lot of ball and even when we were only 3 points up with about 20-25 mins to go it was obvious we were going to win. Meath reached the All-Ireland Semi's last year and Dublin didn't. Nobody claimed we were better then The Dubs in '09 because they had beaten us. Don't understand how you could say now that Dublin are better... Cos they beat Tyrone maybe?! Been there, done that in '07 (arguably a better Tyrone team back then too)

I dont think that Meath are a better team than Dublin, despte the result earlier in the year. Just as I dont think Louth are better than Kildare despite the fact that they easily beat them in Leinster. Given the entire season, I'd be confident if they were playing in 2 weeks time, Dublin would NOW be favourites to beat Meath. It doesnt really matter what either team has done over the last 5 years, eventhough Dublin's leinster haul would suggest they have the edge. If Gilroy just wanted to win Leinster again this year, the changes he has made wouldnt have been made. (Kildare are still superior to me)

I'm not from Leinster by the way, and in no way support one county over another.

I can't see why Meath are so confident based on one very good performance this year. Laois were very unlucky to have one of the worst goalkeeping mistakes Ive seen to happen at a key time against them, and of course Louth outplayed them. It would have saved a lot of column inches if Louth had the bottle to convert their superiority into scores.

bog master

Morgans wrote: »

I didnt call any Louth player a cheat, didnt mention it. I'm sure plenty are. But, unless you are incapable of reading, every player that takes more than 4 steps isn't cheating. Those who commit fouls aren't cheating. Those who dive are. Those who try to pretend they didnt commit a foul are. Its not difficult. Its trying to deceive is the cheating, not committing a foul. Its not that hard to understand. And Joe Sheridan cheated

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I find your definition of "cheating" a bit strange. What is cheating?In my mind it is breaking the rules of the game in an attempt to gain an advantage. Yes, a player may take 6 steps or mistime a tackle, or foul the ball on the ground,that could be unintentional, but the rule was broken.

If a defender blatantly pulls down a forward going in on goal, you seem to be saying, thats not cheating, its only a foul?

Morgans

bog master wrote: »

Morgans wrote: »

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I find your definition of "cheating" a bit strange. What is cheating?In my mind it is breaking the rules of the game in an attempt to gain an advantage. Yes, a player may take 6 steps or mistime a tackle, or foul the ball on the ground,that could be unintentional, but the rule was broken.

If a defender blatantly pulls down a forward going in on goal, you seem to be saying, thats not cheating, its only a foul?

Yes. A professional foul, which should be punished. Red Card you would hope. If its extremely malicious, he might get a ban on top of it. He isnt cheating though. He is cheating if he goes over to the ref pretending he didnt touch the player (the "got the ball" symbol in soccer is often used by cheats by didnt touch the ball)

Committing a foul isn't cheating. Some fouls are cynical and should have heavier punishment, others aren't. A corner back clamping the hand of a corner forward into his own ribs to make it look like the corner forward is holding is cheating. You are trying to cheat the referee, not the opposition.

bog master

Morgans wrote: »

bog master wrote: »

Yes. A professional foul, which should be punished. Red Card you would hope. If its extremely malicious, he might get a ban on top of it. He isnt cheating though. He is cheating if he goes over to the ref pretending he didnt touch the player (the "got the ball" symbol in soccer is often used by cheats by didnt touch the ball)

Committing a foul isn't cheating. Some fouls are cynical and should have heavier punishment, others aren't. A corner back clamping the hand of a corner forward into his own ribs to make it look like the corner forward is holding is cheating. You are trying to cheat the referee, not the opposition.

Agree 100% that "professional fouls in that instance merit a red. But I honestly find it hard to understand your definition, that by deceiving the ref, that is cheating, and not the foul you are committing, which is, breaking the rules.

Morgans

It is semantics, but definitely dont believe that breaking the rules equals cheating. Or even committing a malicious foul is cheating.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cheat?o=100074

Someone blatently taking a player out of it isnt trying to deceive anyone. He is breaking the rules. The Australian lads in the compromise series weren't cheating, breaking rules dangerously all over the shop though.

Hammer Archer

Morgans wrote: »

However, if they were scheduled to meet next week, Dublin would be favs. As would Kildare vs Meath, and Louth would be a 50/50 call.

Dublin were favourites this year as well and we beat them so that means nothing. I would say Kildare would beat us (even though I also think their margin of victory was flattering as they were only 2 points up with 10 minutes left) but pretty much every neutral agrees that had Meath agreed to a replay, we would have won easily.

I didnt call any Louth player a cheat, didnt mention it.

I know you didn't. How convenient that you're only focusing on Meath

But, unless you are incapable of reading

That's funny because you obviously didn't read the article in the OP.

Those who try to pretend they didnt commit a foul are. Its not difficult. Its trying to deceive is the cheating, not committing a foul. Its not that hard to understand. And Joe Sheridan cheated.

Sigh, I'll explain for the second time. As the article states, Joe thought it was a goal at the time and now realises that he was wrong and the goal should not have stood. Get it?

The days of big bad Meath are 20 years ago. The idea that the country still holds a grudge for Martin O'Connell dancing on Tyrone lads heads 20 years ago is laughable. The only people who refer to it are Meath supporters.

Wow. You obviously have never been to a Meath match. And by the way, that Tyrone game was 14 years ago.

I suppose to some it makes Meath seem important in GAA these days. But continue playing up the idea that everybody hates you, when the reality is that Meath haven't been a threat to anyone important for a generation.

A generation??? We were in an AI final 9 years ago and you call that a generation???

No-one cares whether they win or lose.

Yeah, I'm sure Pat Spillane says "There is a God" after every team loses, even Kerry. Look at the posts here (as well as other places) after the Louth match praying we got beaten by Kildare and the " joy" expressed by a lot of people after they did beat us.

If it was Dublin who won in the same circumstances, the same uproar would have ensued. The story was that of Louth missing out on their Leinster title, not of Meath winning because of the ref's decisin.

I think you've hit the nail on the head there to be honest. Had Louth won in the same circumstances on the day, very very little would have been said because the plucky underdog would have had their first Leinster in 50 years. On the same weekend of the Leinster final, a Wexford player, let's say, "went down very easily" to win a penalty against Galway and went on to win by a point. Because Wexford were massive underdogs, people just glossed over it and congratulated them.

Hammer Archer

Fandango wrote: »

The only thing that annoys me is that he still wont admit it wasnt a legitimate goal.

Why won't people read the article???

"At the time I honestly did think it was a goal because of the way it happened. I got the ball and was pushed over the line and believed that was a goal. If a keeper catches a ball and goes over the line it's a goal, so I thought if a forward was pushed over the line then it was a goal too. That's not the case. I know that now."

Agree with the rest of your post.

dixiefly

mossyc123 wrote: »

"Freak result against Dublin"..."very poor season"

Sure we HAMMERED the Dubs out the gate, beat Offaly & Laois fairly handy (albeit after a replay) and hung in till the end against Louth to win our 1st Leinster in 9 years. Hardly a poor season in fairness.

"Karma" = a load of bull****!

What happened against Kildare has nothing to do with anything else that happened this season...the better team on the day won and fair play to them. That's how we react to triumph and disaster in Meath...treat those two imposters just the same!

I have supporting Meath since 1983 and have certainly seen the good days & bad days. While the Dublin result was fantastic the only other decent performance was the Laois replay.

However the rest of the season was pitifully bad. We would have een level against a bad Offaly team at half time if their freetaker was even of junior B standard.

I have to say that the statement that the Kildare game had nothing to do with anything else that happened is rubbish, the capitulation in the second half was very similar to the Louth game.

Regarding your comments about how we react to triumph and disaster blah blah blah - that's just a bullsh*t soundbite!

dixiefly

mossyc123 wrote: »

Dublin's '05-'09 dominance is definitely not to be discounted as the only teams they lost to in that period were Tyrone, Kerry (both twice) and Mayo. And they are definitely in with a good chance of winning the whole thing this year.

However, the idea that Meath are somehow now behind Dublin because you have got further then us doesn't really wash. We won well this year and we can argue forever about the if's and but's of that game and how much the real margin of victory should of been but it doesn't change the fact that Meath won that game very comfortably...it was over long before the finish.

We've reached 2 All-Ireland Semi's '07 & '09 and some of the performances as well as the Leinster Title this year will give the team great confidence for 2011.

Best of luck with Cork and the rest of the year.

On the other hand I do agree with this post.

Diabhal Beag

I don't think Joe was in the wrong. I would have done the exact same thing in his position. He won Meath the Leinster Title and now that Dublin are improving it seems even less likely that they would win again for another few years.

Face it we all would have done the same thing. He has nothing to answer to except that he wasn't the most honest man on the planet.

Morgans

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Dublin were favourites this year as well and we beat them so that means nothing. I would say Kildare would beat us (even though I also think their margin of victory was flattering as they were only 2 points up with 10 minutes left) but pretty much every neutral agrees that had Meath agreed to a replay, we would have won easily.


I know you didn't. How convenient that you're only focusing on Meath


That's funny because you obviously didn't read the article in the OP.


Sigh, I'll explain for the second time. As the article states, Joe thought it was a goal at the time and now realises that he was wrong and the goal should not have stood. Get it?


Wow. You obviously have never been to a Meath match. And by the way, that Tyrone game was 14 years ago.


A generation??? We were in an AI final 9 years ago and you call that a generation???


Yeah, I'm sure Pat Spillane says "There is a God" after every team loses, even Kerry. Look at the posts here (as well as other places) after the Louth match praying we got beaten by Kildare and the " joy" expressed by a lot of people after they did beat us.


I think you've hit the nail on the head there to be honest. Had Louth won in the same circumstances on the day, very very little would have been said because the plucky underdog would have had their first Leinster in 50 years. On the same weekend of the Leinster final, a Wexford player, let's say, "went down very easily" to win a penalty against Galway and went on to win by a point. Because Wexford were massive underdogs, people just glossed over it and congratulated them.

The Meath team that won their last All-Ireland was not a hated Meath team. Not even near. Ok, Graham Geraghty wasnt the most liked individual - even by his own countymen, but the era of Trevor Giles was not the era of Mick Lyons, Hayes, O'Malley etc.

Have been watching meath since the mid 80s. Lads who could play beautiful football, Flynn, O'Rourke, even the likes of Coyle, Beggy and an old favourite of mine Finian Murtagh were added to by more cynical approach, and they started winning. Well done, Ive nothing against that, but the idea that the whole country is against meath since (and maybe even before then) is one that is most popular in Meath. Today, they have some beautiful forwards (slow but good) at the moment. Sheridan not being one of them. And I generally like to see them involved in the shake-up. Fine football tradition. Football in general is more attractive when Leinster is strong. But more people are worried about the aggressive northern style of Tyrone and before them armagh than are upset about Meath. People dont care.
Of course, people were delighted the way they were knocked out by Kildare after the way the Leinster final was won, and I dont blame them. Only natural.

And I have read the article. A rewriting of history. if you can tell me who pushed Joe Sheridan before the goal, as I cant see any push. Unless falling is worthy of a penalty as its clear from every angle shown that being generous he slipped, he wasnt pushed. But its ok to rewrite history. "I was definitely fouled" says Joe. No he wasnt.

Morgans

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

I don't think Joe was in the wrong. I would have done the exact same thing in his position. He won Meath the Leinster Title and now that Dublin are improving it seems even less likely that they would win again for another few years.

Face it we all would have done the same thing. He has nothing to answer to except that he wasn't the most honest man on the planet.

I think that is fair. You do what you have to do and you leave it up to the ref. It was an awful refereeing decision that won them the game.