German Police Close Mosque

old_aussie

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g_j0dhrH09uYa9ql4EP6x_Vl-dDw

Good to see.

Al Jazeera news indicates many mosques in Europe being used for the promotion of terrorism.

HAMBURG, Germany — German police on Monday shut down a mosque in Hamburg frequented by suicide hijackers from the September 11, 2001 attacks and suspected of recruiting jihadists, authorities said.

An affiliated cultural centre called Taiba was also banned.

"Hamburg must not become a cradle of violent Islamists," the city-state's chief interior affairs official, Christoph Ahlhaus, told reporters.

"We closed the Taiba mosque today because young men were converted to religious fanatics there. A purported cultural association shamelessly exploited the freedoms of our democratic state under the rule of law to recruit for holy war behind the scenes."

Three of the September 11 hijackers including their ringleader Mohammed Atta, who piloted the first plane into New York's World Trade Center, met regularly at the mosque before moving to the United States.

Authorities said it had served for several years as a recruitment centre for Islamic extremists, including accomplices of the hijackers, and offered logistical and financial assistance to militants.

From what was said on Al Jazeera news more mosques in Europe will be closed

Senna

old_aussie wrote: »

frequented by suicide hijackers from the September 11, 2001 attacks

frequented by Ghosts?

Hank_Jones

Senna wrote: »

frequented by Ghosts?

Did you read the whole piece at all?

Three of the September 11 hijackers including their ringleader Mohammed Atta, who piloted the first plane into New York's World Trade Center, met regularly at the mosque before moving to the United States.

yutta

Great. We can shut down Donnehy and Nesbitt's next as it's frequented by gangsters.

Mr Cawley

fair play Germany, couldn't imagine Ireland tying to touch those people

yutta

After all the Germans have been through, you'd think they'd know better than to be targeting minority groups. I'm sure the growing skinhead population are delighted.

Stinicker

yutta wrote: »

After all the Germans have been through, you'd think they'd know better than to be targeting minority groups. I'm sure the growing skinhead population are delighted.

About bloody time Islam has no place anywhere on the continent of Europe and the sooner that Europe moves to eradicate it from our continent the better. Islam is not a minority group by the way is fastly becoming the largest mass Religion on Earth. The Swiss have banned Minarets, France is tackling the Burkha, What has Ireland done? Squat Diddly thats what. Islamofacism is the greatest threat we face in the west and I for one cannot wait to see Sarah Palin elected President of the United States in 2012, Islam will soon be all but a bad memory by the end of her reign.

God Bless our Freedom and our Christian values, Religions that do not believe in freedom of religion are themselves exempt and should be banned.

Einhard

old_aussie wrote: »

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g_j0dhrH09uYa9ql4EP6x_Vl-dDw

Good to see.

Al Jazeera news indicates many mosques in Europe being used for the promotion of terrorism.

HAMBURG, Germany — German police on Monday shut down a mosque in Hamburg frequented by suicide hijackers from the September 11, 2001 attacks and suspected of recruiting jihadists, authorities said.

An affiliated cultural centre called Taiba was also banned.

"Hamburg must not become a cradle of violent Islamists," the city-state's chief interior affairs official, Christoph Ahlhaus, told reporters.

"We closed the Taiba mosque today because young men were converted to religious fanatics there. A purported cultural association shamelessly exploited the freedoms of our democratic state under the rule of law to recruit for holy war behind the scenes."

Three of the September 11 hijackers including their ringleader Mohammed Atta, who piloted the first plane into New York's World Trade Center, met regularly at the mosque before moving to the United States.

Authorities said it had served for several years as a recruitment centre for Islamic extremists, including accomplices of the hijackers, and offered logistical and financial assistance to militants.

From what was said on Al Jazeera news more mosques in Europe will be closed

For some reason old aussie, I get the feeling that you'd be happy to see every mosque in Europe closed down.

Mr Cawley wrote: »

fair play Germany, couldn't imagine Ireland tying to touch those people

What people are those exactly? Do you know of any Muslims in Ireland who provide material support for terrorist groups? As opposed to Christians in Ireland who have long been supporters of certain terror groups up north.

Karl Hungus

Stinicker wrote: »

and I for one cannot wait to see Sarah Palin elected President of the United States in 2012, Islam will soon be all but a bad memory by the end of her reign.

Holy rofflecakes Batman, that's some funny **** right there.

Einhard

Stinicker wrote: »

About bloody time Islam has no place anywhere on the continent of Europe and the sooner that Europe moves to eradicate it from our continent the better. Islam is not a minority group by the way is fastly becoming the largest mass Religion on Earth. The Swiss have banned Minarets, France is tackling the Burkha, What has Ireland done? Squat Diddly thats what. Islamofacism is the greatest threat we face in the west and I for one cannot wait to see Sarah Palin elected President of the United States in 2012, Islam will soon be all but a bad memory by the end of her reign.

God Bless our Freedom and our Christian values, Religions that do not believe in freedom of religion are themselves exempt and should be banned.

Oh I see, so you thank God for our freedoms in the same breath as you demand that freedom of worship is denied to others. What a ****ing bigoted, small minded, no nothing, hateful, reactionary hypocrite you are. Go campaign for Sarah Palin if you want, she'd no doubt enjoy your moronic, simple minded view on the world

old_aussie

yutta wrote: »

After all the Germans have been through, you'd think they'd know better than to be targeting minority groups. I'm sure the growing skinhead population are delighted.

They're not targeting minority groups they're targeting terrorists, to prevent any gutless muslim terrorist attacks on Germany.

old_aussie

Einhard wrote: »

For some reason old aussie, I get the feeling that you'd be happy to see every mosque in Europe closed down.

What could possible give you that idea? :rolleyes:

NoHornJan

I wonder why were they allowed to stay operating for so long?

The Sept. 11th. slaughter is a long time ago.

yutta

Stinicker wrote: »

About bloody time Islam has no place anywhere on the continent of Europe and the sooner that Europe moves to eradicate it from our continent the better. Islam is not a minority group by the way is fastly becoming the largest mass Religion on Earth. The Swiss have banned Minarets, France is tackling the Burkha, What has Ireland done? Squat Diddly thats what. Islamofacism is the greatest threat we face in the west and I for one cannot wait to see Sarah Palin elected President of the United States in 2012, Islam will soon be all but a bad memory by the end of her reign.

God Bless our Freedom and our Christian values, Religions that do not believe in freedom of religion are themselves exempt and should be banned.

Nasty little person, aren't you?

I believe Christians and Muslims have a lot in common when it comes to opposing tendencies towards aggressive secularism.

Sarah Palin fan eh? How naive you really are. US politics is a puppet show. "Tea party" supporter, are you?

Stinicker

Einhard wrote: »

Oh I see, so you thank God for our freedoms in the same breath as you demand that freedom of worship is denied to others. What a ****ing bigoted, small minded, no nothing, hateful, reactionary hypocrite you are. Go campaign for Sarah Palin if you want, she'd no doubt enjoy your moronic, simple minded view on the world

I'd have no problem with Islam if it did not preach such hate and any Religion that tells it mass followers that to kill Christians will lead them into Martyrdom with 70 virgins awaiting is not a religion imo but an evil cult. You should read up on how Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists are treated in Islamic countries before you go calling me a bigot. Islam is inherently evil and incompatible with all other religions of peace.

yutta

old_aussie wrote: »

They're not targeting minority groups they're targeting terrorists, to prevent any gutless muslim terrorist attacks on Germany.

Ah yes. "All Muslims are terrorists" is hidden in there somewhere.

I can think of only a few very nasty places where group punishment is acceptable.

sponsoredwalk

Stinicker wrote: »

About bloody time Religion has no place anywhere on the continent of Europe and the sooner that Europe moves to eradicate it from our continent the better. Religion is not a minority group by the way is fastly becoming the largest mass delusion on Earth. The Swiss have banned Minarets, France is tackling the Burkha, What has Ireland done? Squat Diddly thats what. Religifacism is the greatest threat we face in the west world and I for one cannot wait to see Sarah Palin a member of the business comunity elected President of the United States in 2012, Religion will soon be all but a bad memory by the end of their reign.

God Bless our Freedom and our Secular values, People that do not believe in freedom themselves should be exempt and should be banned.

FYP

old_aussie

OPPOSITION GROWING to NEW MOSQUES

http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/08/09/opposition-growing-to-new-mosques/

Opposition to new mosques is growing across the country where concerned residents do not want to see more mosques built in their communities. From California to Connecticut, there have been recent protests against both existing and proposed new mosques.

At a July rally near Nashville, angry protestors spoke against a proposed 15-acre site that some fear could be turned into a militant training ground. The mosque leader says he's been there for 12 years and congregants are just enlarging their religious facility.

The controversies are now attracting more attention nationwide.
"The New York Times" featured a front page article just yesterday, reporting that "opponents have said their problem is Islam itself. They quote passages from the Koran and argue that even the most Americanized Muslim secretly wants to replace the Constitution with Islamic Shariah law."

The paper notes that Islamic leaders are disheartened by the apparent trend and criticize the hostility as totally unwarranted.

Some mosques are going further. Muslim leaders in Connecticut are asking for police protection of worshippers after a protest was held against a Bridgeport Mosque last week. Reports say the protestors stayed for about an hour and left without incident.


Read more: http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/08/09/opposition-growing-to-new-mosques/#ixzz0wAUk8Gxl

HxGH

Risky, but good move in my opinion!

Karl Hungus

I think people are missing Stinicker's world class satire. It's brilliant man, keep it up.

sponsoredwalk

Stinicker wrote: »

About bloody time the Poles have no place anywhere on the continent of Europe and the sooner that Europe moves to eradicate 'em from our continent the better. Poland is not a minority group by the way is fastly becoming the largest mass of duck eaters on Earth. The Swiss have banned Minarets, France is tackling the Burkha, What has Ireland done? Squat Diddly thats what. Polskifacism is the greatest threat we face in the west and I for one cannot wait to see Sarah Palin elected President of the United States in 2012 , Poland will soon be all but a bad memory by the end of her reign.

God Bless our Freedom and our Irish values, Countries that do not believe in freedom from Poles are themselves exempt and should be banned.

FYPA

Terry

old_aussie wrote: »

OPPOSITION GROWING to NEW MOSQUES

http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/08/09/opposition-growing-to-new-mosques/

Opposition to new mosques is growing across the country where concerned residents do not want to see more mosques built in their communities. From California to Connecticut, there have been recent protests against both existing and proposed new mosques.

At a July rally near Nashville, angry protestors spoke against a proposed 15-acre site that some fear could be turned into a militant training ground. The mosque leader says he's been there for 12 years and congregants are just enlarging their religious facility.

The controversies are now attracting more attention nationwide.
"The New York Times" featured a front page article just yesterday, reporting that "opponents have said their problem is Islam itself. They quote passages from the Koran and argue that even the most Americanized Muslim secretly wants to replace the Constitution with Islamic Shariah law."

The paper notes that Islamic leaders are disheartened by the apparent trend and criticize the hostility as totally unwarranted.

Some mosques are going further. Muslim leaders in Connecticut are asking for police protection of worshippers after a protest was held against a Bridgeport Mosque last week. Reports say the protestors stayed for about an hour and left without incident.


Read more: http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/08/09/opposition-growing-to-new-mosques/#ixzz0wAUk8Gxl

1. Linking to blogs proves nothing.
2. Linking to foxnews.com proves nothing.
3. Linking to a blog on foxnews.com is a really bad idea.

In saying that, closing a mosque is idiotic. All you do is alienate the Muslims in the locality and the weaker minded will just turn to fanaticism.

peasant

yutta wrote: »

After all the Germans have been through, you'd think they'd know better than to be targeting minority groups. I'm sure the growing skinhead population are delighted.

They closed one ...they opened many others.

For example google "ditib merkez moschee" and then come again

kylith

And closing a mosque will stil extremist fascists from meeting how?

peasant

NoHornJan wrote: »

I wonder why were they allowed to stay operating for so long?

The Sept. 11th. slaughter is a long time ago.

Might have something to do with the fact that Germany is a democratic, lawful country. They don't just go and close a mosque/church/cultural institution just because some unsavoury elements once went there.

The collection of evidence to justify the closure must have taken a while.

prinz

yutta wrote: »

After all the Germans have been through, you'd think they'd know better than to be targeting minority groups. I'm sure the growing skinhead population are delighted.

They closed one Mosque and attached "cultural centre". Hardly targetting a minority group, in a country with one of the highest Muslim populations on the continent.

Sam Vimes

Closing some mosques will hardly make them say "Oh well that's knocked the terrorism thing on the head. Someone pass the pork chops and beer". This will just add to their persecution complex and radicalise them further imo. At least the police could keep an eye on them while they knew where they were meeting

Cookie_Monster

yutta wrote: »

Ah yes. "All Muslims are terrorists" is hidden in there somewhere.

of course, and all Catholics are kiddie fidlers and all Irish are drunken lay-a-bouts.

didn't you get the memo?

Wibbs

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

of course, and all Catholics are kiddie fidlers and all Irish are drunken lay-a-bouts.

Yea but would you be 100% confident leaving your child in the care of a priest? Or confident about the business success of an Irish pub that only sold alcohol free drinks? No smoke without fire and all that

Actually the catholic kiddie fiddler comparison isnt far off IMO. Are all clergy child abusers? hell no. Are most? Hell no again. Are the vast majority of clergy and laity utterly repelled by such acts? Hell yes. Were they when it was at its peak? Yes again. So how did so many of these animals get away with it then? Because blind eyes were shown. The vast majority, looked the other way when the minority perpetrated these acts.

Ditto with Muslims in vague contact with their nutjobs. Add in the feeling of oppression and an element of crusade against them and the stage is set for even more to look away at best, or grudgingly support those who perpetrate acts of terror. Just like the IRA/UVF closer to home.

Terry

Wibbs wrote: »

Actually the catholic kiddie fiddler comparison isnt far off IMO. Are all clergy child abusers? hell no. Are most? Hell no again. Are the vast majority of clergy and laity utterly repelled by such acts? Hell yes. Were they when it was at its peak? Yes again. So how did so many of these animals get away with it then? Because blind eyes were shown. The vast majority, looked the other way when the minority perpetrated these acts.

Yeah, but sure didn't Jesus himself say that it's best to turn the other cheek?
Sure they were only being good Catholics.

prinz

Terry wrote: »

Yeah, but sure didn't Jesus himself say that it's best to turn the other cheek?
Sure they were only being good Catholics.

Turn the other cheek when people hurt you is one thing, turning a blind eye to kids being abused is very different.

Wibbs

I'm pretty sure that if Jesus was alive today and was faced by an unrepentant kiddie fiddling priest, well I suspect his tolerance would be sorely tested. I'm pretty sure Muhammad would be the same, even in the cultural context of child brides.

wolfpawnat

Though I am not a fan of several parts of the cornerstones of the faith of Islam, the whole men above women, women getting stoned to death, etc part of it, I really have no problem with the whole religious side of it. My annoyance is at the way some Muslims see themselves as better than me, while enjoying the lifestyle of living in the country I was born in!!!! My best example is, Christ church, St Audoens, St Patricks Cathedral,etc are all Irish places of worship, regardless of what Christian religion you are part of, and they are open to the public regardless of what religion or creed they are of.

But my OH was a student in the College of Surgeons in Stephens green, which is also where a lot of Muslims from other countries study medicine also. While there he and indeed I witnessed quite a few incidents where Islam seemed above the rules, examples of this include;

- Exams occured (as is par of any college course) at different times of day, but the rules as with most colleges was that any student that was not in the exam hall by a specific time could not sit the exam. One of the exam times was in the evening and because it coinsided with Muslim prayer times half way through the exam many Muslim students just sauntered in and were arguing with tutors and examiners about not being allowed sit exams. It was not done to annoy the Islamic students, its just they had a 2 week period in which they could do the exams and they had a lot of exams to be sat.

- According to my OH you would be sitting in the library studying and all of a sudden at 5pm or so, the Islamic students would get out of their chairs and kneel on the floor and start their chanting/praying out loud there and then, making it impossible for any other student in the library to study, even though they are provided with a prayer room in the college.

-Women refuse to wear short sleeves when in the hospitals even though it is seen as unsanitary. It is no disrespect to their beliefs but is a severe danger to the health of patients if they wear them. Also they cannot use a stethoscope with some of their head pieces, the hijab and nijab are not made to be used with it and this means the patients quality of care is at risk!

- I went to visit my partner one day in the college at 8 months pregnant and I went to the bathroom, the floor of the bathroom was soaking wet and I fell. I saw girls washing their feet in the sinks of the bathroom, even though they were informed by the college that this was against health and safety and it was ignored.

-The main canteen closes during the day for Ramadan, even thought Muslims are not the only student of the college and others are forced to leave the college for food during this time.

- Every other religion in the college has to use the non-denominational church just up from the college for any any all prayers/serviced/etc but the Muslims are provided with a prayer room solely for their use, which I think is wrong, everyone should either have their own or share the one.

- The Muslim prayer room is in the old basement of the college (an out of the way part you would say) but these are the exact same basement that were used by Michael Mallin and Countess Markiewicz and their men during the rising on Easter week 1916 so they are open to other students to see also, as well as the public if pre arranged, but the Islamic students try to prevent you from going down there at all, and if you do get down, there are comments made and you are stared at for the entirity of your time there, even though their prayer room id one of several rooms down there!

I have met many lovely and very nice muslims and my friend is married to one so I have no problem with the people of Islam, and as already stated apart from a few of the harsher parts of their beliefs I cannot comment on their faith as I know very little about it. But Irelands fear of being seen as racist or sectarian means the powers that be do not feel it can tell others to try and fit in more with Irish society and make them respect Irish norms as they are, I am not saying they have to go to the pub on a Saturday as it is seen as the norm, but just to accept that if you are here in Ireland you must show some respect to the history and people of this country.

Terry

prinz wrote: »

Turn the other cheek when people hurt you is one thing, turning a blind eye to kids being abused is very different.

Wibbs wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that if Jesus was alive today and was faced by an unrepentant kiddie fiddling priest, well I suspect his tolerance would be sorely tested. I'm pretty sure Muhammad would be the same, even in the cultural context of child brides.

I'm fairly sure Jesus would have come up with a sarcasm detector for the internet too.

wolfpawnat wrote: »

- Exams occured (as is par of any college course) at different times of day, but the rules as with most colleges was that any student that was not in the exam hall by a specific time could not sit the exam. One of the exam times was in the evening and because it coinsided with Muslim prayer times half way through the exam many Muslim students just sauntered in and were arguing with tutors and examiners about not being allowed sit exams. It was not done to annoy the Islamic students, its just they had a 2 week period in which they could do the exams and they had a lot of exams to be sat.

- According to my OH you would be sitting in the library studying and all of a sudden at 5pm or so, the Islamic students would get out of their chairs and kneel on the floor and start their chanting/praying out loud there and then, making it impossible for any other student in the library to study, even though they are provided with a prayer room in the college.

-Women refuse to wear short sleeves when in the hospitals even though it is seen as unsanitary. It is no disrespect to their beliefs but is a severe danger to the health of patients if they wear them. Also they cannot use a stethoscope with some of their head pieces, the hijab and nijab are not made to be used with it and this means the patients quality of care is at risk!

- I went to visit my partner one day in the college at 8 months pregnant and I went to the bathroom, the floor of the bathroom was soaking wet and I fell. I saw girls washing their feet in the sinks of the bathroom, even though they were informed by the college that this was against health and safety and it was ignored.

-The main canteen closes during the day for Ramadan, even thought Muslims are not the only student of the college and others are forced to leave the college for food during this time.

- Every other religion in the college has to use the non-denominational church just up from the college for any any all prayers/serviced/etc but the Muslims are provided with a prayer room solely for their use, which I think is wrong, everyone should either have their own or share the one.

- The Muslim prayer room is in the old basement of the college (an out of the way part you would say) but these are the exact same basement that were used by Michael Mallin and Countess Markiewicz and their men during the rising on Easter week 1916 so they are open to other students to see also, as well as the public if pre arranged, but the Islamic students try to prevent you from going down there at all, and if you do get down, there are comments made and you are stared at for the entirity of your time there, even though their prayer room id one of several rooms down there!

I have met many lovely and very nice muslims and my friend is married to one so I have no problem with the people of Islam, and as already stated apart from a few of the harsher parts of their beliefs I cannot comment on their faith as I know very little about it. But Irelands fear of being seen as racist or sectarian means the powers that be do not feel it can tell others to try and fit in more with Irish society and make them respect Irish norms as they are, I am not saying they have to go to the pub on a Saturday as it is seen as the norm, but just to accept that if you are here in Ireland you must show some respect to the history and people of this country.

One thing I've noticed about some Muslims is that they do not adhere to the When in Rome aspect of Western society.
They seem to just say I'm Muslim. **** you and your laws. Islam supercedes your laws. People tend not to like others who act in this manner.
This isn't

irishconvert

Mr Cawley wrote: »

fair play Germany, couldn't imagine Ireland tying to touch those people

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

prinz

Terry wrote: »

One thing I've noticed about some Muslims is that they do not adhere to the When in Rome aspect of Western society.
They seem to just say I'm Muslim. **** you and your laws. Islam supercedes your laws. People tend not to like others who act in this manner.

Cultural and historical reasons for this. Compare to Judaism, Jews as a religious grouping largely kept to themselves and did their own thing. They were not interested in what everyone else was up to as long as they were allowed believe in their thing and practice and maintain their culture.

Christianity was supposed to be living by example. I.E. encouraging people by your very way of life to join. In the beginning it wasn't about (this went wayward in time unfortunately) getting as many numbers as possible by force but by showing how satisfying a Christian life could be, so that people willingly came to follow them.

Most world religions fall into these two categories.

Islam was based on conquest from the beginning (sadly Christianity went through it's own period of this too). So the culture and background of Islam is not to live your own life how you want/to try to assimilate as much as possible or live by example to others within your religion.

prinz

irishconvert wrote: »

THEY CAME FIRST

THEY are not 'COMING' for anyone. Get a grip.

irishconvert

irishconvert wrote: »

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

I would speak up for any minority that was being punished for them just being that . But a minority within a minority which incited hatred and trained people in acts of violence against the very nation that sheltered them NO!

irishconvert

prinz wrote: »

THEY are not 'COMING' for anyone. Get a grip.

Why then as a Muslim do I feel under attack? If the views of many posters on boards is anecdotal of the general feeling about Muslims, then I think I should be worried.

Terry

irishconvert wrote: »

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

Have these people never heard of personal responsibility?

irishconvert

Crosby Whispering Image wrote: »

I would speak up for any minority that was being punished for them just being that . But a minority within a minority which incited hatred and trained people in acts of violence against the very nation that sheltered them NO!

Shutting down a mosque because there is allegedely terrorists hanging out there is extreme. My local church was never shut down even though there were some very well known IRA supporters attending. Do you think it should have been closed down?

Nijmegen

I agree with the sentiment that some Muslims really do need to get with the "When in Rome" programme.

They live in progressive and largely open democracies in places like Europe, where they are free to do mostly as they wish. Freedom of movement. Freedom of speech and expression. Freedom of religion. Which is more than one gets in many Islamic and Muslim secular countries.

The tradeoff is that they should live by our rules and standards. If they don't like it, they have freedom of movement and know where the airport is.

Nijmegen

irishconvert wrote: »

Shutting down a mosque because there is allegedely terrorists hanging out there is extreme. My local church was never shut down even though there were some very well known IRA supporters attending. Do you think it should have been closed down?

Was your church used as a staging ground for their actions, a place of recruitment and gathering?

prinz

irishconvert wrote: »

Why then as a Muslim do I feel under attack? If the views of many posters on boards is anecdotal of the general feeling about Muslims, then I think I should be worried.

You feel under attack because of boards or because the German authorities have acted against a particular establishment with a colourful past?

irishconvert wrote: »

Shutting down a mosque because there is allegedely terrorists hanging out there is extreme. My local church was never shut down even though there were some very well known IRA supporters attending. Do you think it should have been closed down?

They weren't just attending services there though were they? That's the issue.

Was your local church involved in recruiting them? Was it used as a agthering place to reinforce their crazed interpretations? If your local church was a place where angry young men were being taught the glory of dying and killing others then yes it should be closed down.

peasant

irishconvert wrote: »

Shutting down a mosque because there is allegedely terrorists hanging out there is extreme. My local church was never shut down even though there were some very well known IRA supporters attending. Do you think it should have been closed down?

To get the facts right here:

They did not close down a mosque just because it was a mosque.

There was a "cultural group" that preached hatred and also sent some 25 people (those could be proven, there could have been more) to terrorost traing camps in Uzbekistan.
After a long period of observation and evidence finding this group was now declared anti-constitutional under German law. Subsequent to that their offices, meeting rooms and their attached mosque were closed.

They didn't close "a mosque" ...they shut down a breeding cell for terrorists that happened to also run a mosque on the side.

Nodin

old_aussie wrote: »

What could possible give you that idea? :rolleyes:

You're the one who admitted to sitting with the sole of your foot pointed at an Arab for a train journey for the express purpose of provoking him, aren't you?

RMD

Unfortunately closing down Mosques will only further the Militants propaganda, it looks like the west is directly attacking Islam.

RMD

RMD wrote: »

Unfortunately closing down Mosques will only further the Militants propaganda, it looks like the west is directly attacking Islam.

and not closing down them when they are blatantly encouraging terrioism and acts of violence against the west serves what purpose ?

obviously not all mosques do this as not all followers of islam are terriosts . But are you saying the ones that do should be allowed to keep open and train people in the art of bomb making ? Because to close them would be sending out the wrong message ? to who ?

irishconvert

Crosby Whispering Image wrote: »

and not closing down them when they are blatantly encouraging terrioism and acts of violence against the west serves what purpose ?

obviously not all mosques do this as not all followers of islam are terriosts . But are you saying the ones that do should be allowed to keep open and train people in the art of bomb making ? Because to close them would be sending out the wrong message ? to who ?

If someone is really training people in bomb making why don't the police just go in and arrest the person like they would in any other situation? Why close the mosque? Using a slegehammer to crack a nut IMO.

Cheap Thrills!

Good on the Germans.

They've bent over backwards to accommodate 'multiculturalism' and it's been thrown back in their faces.

Been in Germany recently and the Germans are fed up with being taken advantage of. They've done nothing thus far through guilt and shame about the war but after 3 or 4 generations there is still no integration or contribution to the host society so they are drawing some boundaries.

No doubt there'll be plenty of accusations of Nazi-ism but it's nothing like that.

I walked through a Muslim neighbourhood in a German city recently. Not one woman to be seen. All the men sat in groups outside titty bars click clacking their beads and giving me dirty looks and hissing when I walked to Netto. WTF My boyfriend ended up coming everywhere with me, we had no choice as our accommodation was there. That's what it's like, ghettoes. Anecdotal yes, but there you go.

Nodin

And we're off.....