Alexander vrs Kotelnik who did you have?

Boooourns

Can't find a thread on this but i thought it was a little controversial as i had Kotelnik winning on points yet they gave it to Alexander 116-112.
I can understand how they gave Alexander the early rounds due to his workrate but for most of the fight Kotelnik clearly landed the better punches and Alexanders face and physical appearance told the story at the end of the fight.
For most of the fight Alexander just hit Kotelniks tight defence and Kotelnik timed his jab beautifully all night and really opened up DA's defence.
I can understand that Kotelnik just doesn't do enough during fights but he was clearly the better boxer on the night but he was never getting the decision in St Louis.

nacho libre

Kotelnik, although not being active enough, it seemed to me was landing the better punches all night.

So it's the old story if you are fighting the belt- holder in his home town you have to be the one seen to press the action and be the busier fighter to get the decision.

Boooourns

nacho libre wrote: »

Kotelnik, although not being active enough, it seemed to me was landing the better punches all night.

So it's the old story if you are fighting the belt- holder in his home town you have to be the one seen to press the action and be the busier fighter to get the decision.

Yeah it seems that trend is carrying on. Alexander is nowhere near ready for Bradley at this moment, his defence was totally exposed and he needs a new trainer!

Big Ears

I watched the fight, but was only enjoying it while doing so, not scoring.
However while doing so I don't think there was 7 rounds during that fight when I thought 'hmm Alexander won that', and most of the time I felt Kotelnik was doing better.

Alexander was wasting a huge amount of shots, catching Kotelnik's gloves time and time again and then Kotelnik would time him with counters exceptionally well. I really had to feel for the Ukranian, he put on the performance of his career(and I'll have to watch it again scoring to be sure) seemingly got shafted.
You could see the elation in him afterwards, Kotelnik new he had just put on a special performance and he believed he had just picked up two versions of the World title.

Depressingly Kotelnik had to sign to Don King to make that fight, now that he's lost he'll inevitably be left on the sidelines and his career will fade into obscurity. You have to feel for him because he deserved so much more.


I had been claiming Alexander wasn't nearly as good as people thought he was and was quite ordinary from before he won a World title and tbh he had started to make quite a fool of me with his dominating wins over Witter and Alexander. But Witter was a long way past his best and Urango was Taylor made for him. Bradley and Khan would likely beat him well and Alexander needs some time yet before he'll get to their level. A fight with Marcos Maidana would be very intriguing indeed.

colly10

This was a thread I was going to start myself after watching the fight.
I hadn't watched Alexander before and had heard great things about him so was expecting to be impressed, as much as I dislike Bradley I have to say Alexander wouldn't have a hope against him, he's not a big puncher, gets caught too often and not great at opening up his opponent. He doesn't listen to his corner either and seemed to be affected by the occasion.
Khan would be a much better matchup for Bradley than Alexander, Khan should take Alexander if he performs well in the Marquez fight, I think Khan would knock him out (if not a wide UD - heard alexander has never been dropped including as an amature)

As for the fight Kotelnik won, he landed more shots, he landed cleaner shots and landed the more troubling shots, it was very much a home decision and I think you would have to have a fairly biased, distorted view of whats happening in the fight to give it to Alexander. I really felt bad for Kotelnik, he must be wondering what the point is in continuing to fight and wondering what he has to do to get the decision after that.

I could see it happening from early in the fight, I felt that Alexander wasn't having it his own way and when it started to get worse for him I could feel that a Kotelnik was going to get a bad decision.

I can't understand how a judge can let bias affect them, at the begining of the fight I wanted to see Alexander win well cause I was expecting big things but even at that I didn't feel he was putting the points in the bag.

I perticular, I thought that Lederman was a disgrace, I think his scorecard only had 2 rounds to Kotelnik, the commentators didn't agree with him and his reasoning behind his scoring was laughable.
HBO should really be taking a good look at what there paying for, throwing loads of arm punches off your opponents gloves seems to be enough to win you a round in Ledermans world if your a big name local boy

nacho libre

Lederman's unofficial scorecard for the other fight that night was a joke too. The guy was letting personal feelings get in the way of scoring both fights accurately.

megadodge

Big Ears wrote: »

I had been claiming Alexander wasn't nearly as good as people thought he was and was quite ordinary from before he won a World title and tbh he had started to make quite a fool of me with his dominating wins over Witter and Alexander. But Witter was a long way past his best and Urango was Taylor made for him. Bradley and Khan would likely beat him well and Alexander needs some time yet before he'll get to their level. A fight with Marcos Maidana would be very intriguing indeed.

You ain't the only one BE. There was another thread on Bradley a while back and I mentioned...

I think Bradley, while unspectacular, is one of these very-hard-to-beat types.

He's very well conditioned, has a good chin, good boxing skills, reasonable power, is intelligent and has great belief in himself.

I think he'd beat Maidana. Not sure about Khan, as Amir can outbox virtually anyone, but with his whiskers who knows? I'm still unconvinced with Alexander. The win over Urango was impressive because of the finish, but the Colombian isn't the hardest to outbox, yet it was very close before the ending. Witter was well past it and uninterested as far as I'm concerned, so I still have doubts about him.
I'd fancy Bradley to beat Alexander on points.

Nothing has happened in the meantime to change my viewpoint, even though I haven't seen the Kotelnik fight.

On a sidenote, if the above decision happened in Germany we'd never hear the end of it, but yet again (after a little hooha) it'll soon be all forgotten about because the fighter benefitting is from good ol' Uncle Sam.