The importance of prior planning versus sudden rushes of blood to the head

johngalway

This story illustrates why it's so important to work out how, in a quick and humane manner, we must be able to dispatch an animal after capturing it.

http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/Fox-was-tortured-and-fed-to-Staffie.htm

Start from the desired end result and work your way backwards, not the other way around.

I can only take the details of the story as they're presented. I am making no claim to the truthfulness or otherwise of the presented story. What can't be denied is that Mr. William Burrell is an amount of hot water.

clivej

I am the first to admit to hunting foxes and try my upmost to ensure that any I shoot are dispatched in the most humane way that is possible.

What is told in this report would seem to be, TO ME, the blooding of Mr. Burrell's Staffordshire Bull Terrier with a live animal. This in my book is an act of cruelty of the highest order and I hope he gets 'that what he did to the fox'.

poulo6.5

Cheers John. I think I'll stick to shooting them from a distance. Do you trap them your self. If so what is the proper way to dispatch the animal. .22 to the head I would think.

johngalway

I've snared a few foxes Poulo, never managed to cage trap any. I used to bring along the 12ga or .22lr when I had it, in case I'd have a customer.

Using a priest on a wounded bird is fair enough IMO, but bludgeoning an animal the size of a fox isn't acceptable.

Quick & clean is the way to go.

Eddie B

This guy was asking for trouble!
First thing he needs to do is go buy himself a brain!:mad:

round tower huntsman

i've no problem with a dog catching/killing a fox in the fields au natural. but no genuine dog man with trap a fox tie him up and throw him into a kennell.
i dont know any dog man that would carry on like that, and i know lads all over the country.
tbh i bet that lazy wxnker never set foot on a hill or in a bog after a fox.
he's no hunter and no dog man.

virminhunter

round tower huntsman wrote: »

i've no problem with a dog catching/killing a fox in the fields au natural. but no genuine dog man with trap a fox tie him up and throw him into a kennell.
i dont know any dog man that would carry on like that, and i know lads all over the country.
tbh i bet that lazy wxnker never set foot on a hill or in a bog after a fox.
he's no hunter and no dog man.

well said, one of the best ways to start a dog on foxes is to run it alongside an experienced dog that knows what its doing a couple of times so it learns how things are done correctly, an experienced dog should break a foxes neck as quick as you'd snap your fingers...

jap gt

cruel bastard, in my opinion the only way to kill a fox is a bullet to the head, i dont like with dogs killing foxes, but i prefer a quick as possible kill, each to there own like, but as said i doubt any dog man here would do that

round tower huntsman

have you ever seen a dog kill a fox?
i can assure you a good lurcher or hound will kill a fox in seconds.
no self respecting dog man carries on like that. in fact i'd bet that fools dogs are poorly looked after as well.
dog men repect their dogs and their quarry.

johngalway

A dog will kill a fox quite quickly, a shake or two and it's lights out.

But, my intention for this thread was to highlight the importance for anyone trapping or snaring to see the kinds of trouble the people can get in to doing things the wrong way. I say that as it was the defence offered up in the story, killing the fox, supposedly, by hitting it on the head. Foolishly he says that the fox died instantly, yet it needed three knocks to the head :rolleyes:

In the case of someone snaring or trapping, a close range shot to the head and there's no wriggle room for anyone to say otherwise.

jap gt

round tower huntsman wrote: »

have you ever seen a dog kill a fox?
i can assure you a good lurcher or hound will kill a fox in seconds.
no self respecting dog man carries on like that. in fact i'd bet that fools dogs are poorly looked after as well.
dog men repect their dogs and their quarry.

i have gone a few times and to be honest its not for me, im not doubting that they are killed quickly its just not for me, different strokes for different folks

round tower huntsman

johngalway wrote: »

A dog will kill a fox quite quickly, a shake or two and it's lights out.

But, my intention for this thread was to highlight the importance for anyone trapping or snaring to see the kinds of trouble the people can get in to doing things the wrong way. I say that as it was the defence offered up in the story, killing the fox, supposedly, by hitting it on the head. Foolishly he says that the fox died instantly, yet it needed three knocks to the head :rolleyes:

In the case of someone snaring or trapping, a close range shot to the head and there's no wriggle room for anyone to say otherwise.

thats fair enough. if a fox is trapped or snarred it shouldnt be thrown to a dog. shot gun or rifle for that situation.

Birdnuts

I had the unpleasant experience last winter of my two dogs(Large male Lab and bitch collie/spaniel X) cornering a fox and taking nearly 15 minutes of sustained attacks to finally dispatch it - nothing I could do since all this was happining on the far side of a deep ditch which I could not get across.

round tower huntsman

your dogs werent bred,rared and trained to kill foxes though. i've seen lurchers and hounds that will kill a fox in seconds like literally 2 shakes.
no different to a terrier shaking a rat.

round tower huntsman

Birdnuts wrote: »

I had the unpleasant experience last winter of my two dogs(Large male Lab and bitch collie/spaniel X) cornering a fox and taking nearly 15 minutes of sustained attacks to finally dispatch it - nothing I could do since all this was happining on the far side of a deep ditch which I could not get across.

also there must have been something wrong with the fox if your two cornered him and caught him tbh. i'd say he was either sick,old or injured.

Birdnuts

round tower huntsman wrote: »

your dogs werent bred,rared and trained to kill foxes though. i've seen lurchers and hounds that will kill a fox in seconds like literally 2 shakes.
no different to a terrier shaking a rat.

Fair point - No-ones gonna beleive me but would you beleive the exact same thing happened today out on my walk near Naas:eek:, thankfully this time they dispatched the fox much quicker. Quick learners these 2:)

jap gt

i have seen it done with 2 lurchers, its over in a second as said above, what i meant is i personally prefer shooting them over dogs, but in saying that i respect any other lads means of sport

round tower huntsman

Birdnuts wrote: »

Fair point - No-ones gonna beleive me but would you beleive the exact same thing happened today out on my walk near Naas:eek:, thankfully this time they dispatched the fox much quicker. Quick learners these 2:)

how much you want for them dogs?:D only messing. they're only doing whats natural for em. must be plenty of foxes round naas, happy hunting.