resale of subaru diesels?

kindalen

are they the same as the petrol models? resaleproof?

much difference between the saloon and estates?

interested in peoples thoughts on this, might looking at getting one. am a bit worried about residuals though.

Andrew33

kindalen wrote: »

are they the same as the petrol models? resaleproof?

much difference between the saloon and estates?

interested in peoples thoughts on this, might looking at getting one. am a bit worried about residuals though.

I know the diesel Subarus are not getting great reviews (overall).
It seems a Flat 4 engine just does not suit diesel. There's nothing wrong with it but it barely manages to be just an average diesel. I think the Subaru range in general is pretty poor. In their desire to be mainstream they've completely destroyed the "Subaru-ness" of their range. Very mediocre offerings at the minute. New Impreza anyone? Thought not:(

EPM

Came close to buying a diesel Impreza when they came out. Engine is one of the best in the business. Very, very smooth and a decent output too. The above post baffles me a little. Impreza interior is a bit pants alright

Andrew33

EPM wrote: »

Came close to buying a diesel Impreza when they came out. Engine is one of the best in the business. Very, very smooth and a decent output too. The above post baffles me a little. Impreza interior is a bit pants alright

Engine is definitely the best flat 4 diesel you can buy:rolleyes: but in comparison to other diesels of similar capacity it is only average in its abilities.

EPM

Explain how its average so and what are you comparing it to? Have you actually driven one?

NewApproach

I've never driven one but any reports I've read have said that the Boxer Diesel is a superb engine.

Anan1

I've driven it, and was highly impressed. The figures are only average, but it's a really nice engine. The only (& big) problem is that it's not available in automatic.

EPM

Anan1 wrote: »

I've driven it, and was highly impressed. The figures are only average, but it's a really nice engine. The only (& big) problem is that it's not available in automatic.

An auto old model Legacy estate would be perfect...

Andrew33

EPM wrote: »

Explain how its average so and what are you comparing it to? Have you actually driven one?

My bro works for Subaru and, yes, I have driven one (along with most of the rest of the Subaru range, including the Tribeca which at least is a bit old school odd ball) and I wasn't hugely impressed. Just look at their current offerings for gods sake, You could put any Japanese makers badge on them. Dull, dull, dull.

EPM

I agree the new Legacy is a big backward step and the Impreza interior is woeful but the engine is widely regarded as a great unit. I know economy is slightly lower than rivals in the real world but given the higher output its very respectible you still haven't explained how it compares to its rivals

Tea 1000

It's OK, Andrew33 lives in opposite land. If he says it's crap, in the real world it's actually excellent! See some of his other posts for confirmation!
The Subaru diesel is indeed very good, and judging by residuals so far, I'd say it's as safe a bet as anything else in it's price range.
However, the latest Legacy might not be so hot on the used car market.

EPM

But we should drive a fabia...

bazz26

Was interested in a 2009 old shape Legacy diesel with leather interior but the money being asked was too rich for my liking. The old model is holding it's value well enough due to the fact that the new model looks bizzare, is overpriced for the market it is competing in and isn't exactly selling.

coolbeans

Andrew33 wrote: »

I know the diesel Subarus are not getting great reviews (overall).
It seems a Flat 4 engine just does not suit diesel. There's nothing wrong with it but it barely manages to be just an average diesel. I think the Subaru range in general is pretty poor. In their desire to be mainstream they've completely destroyed the "Subaru-ness" of their range. Very mediocre offerings at the minute. New Impreza anyone? Thought not:(

Nonsense.

Andrew33

Tea 1000 wrote: »

It's OK, Andrew33 lives in opposite land. If he says it's crap, in the real world it's actually excellent! See some of his other posts for confirmation!
The Subaru diesel is indeed very good, and judging by residuals so far, I'd say it's as safe a bet as anything else in it's price range.
However, the latest Legacy might not be so hot on the used car market.

I never said it was crap, I said it was average, the sales figures would hardly back up your claims that its excellent.

EPM

I'll ask again - why exactly is it average?

kindalen

thanks folks, my main question is about how easy resale would be and what type of residuals to expect.
thanks.

Tea 1000

Andrew33 wrote: »

I never said it was crap, I said it was average, the sales figures would hardly back up your claims that its excellent.

And the sales figures would say also that Avatar is the best film of all time followed closely by Titanic, but we all know that isn't true either!
Don't trust the General public to make a good decision!

kindalen wrote: »

thanks folks, my main question is about how easy resale would be and what type of residuals to expect.
thanks.

The old shape Legacy is not that common, but liked by many, so therefore should be well enough in demand. Nothing is selling all that easily these days, but I'd say you'll be safe with the Legacy.
If you don't put many miles on it, I might buy it off you myself!

mone

From keepng an eye on carzone, any second hand diesal Subarus that come on the market don't seem to be hang around too long. Having said that there isn't too many appearing on the second hand market yet.

As for performance figures, remember it is mated to an AWD system so that is going to slow it up a bit and use some extra fuel, so it's not really fair to compare 2wd cars to AWD cars and expect to get the same MPG from the AWD. Compare like with like (eg Forester V's other AWD SUV) and it's well above average.

kindalen

thanks folks.

Darsad

Andrew33 wrote: »

My bro works for Subaru and, yes, I have driven one (along with most of the rest of the Subaru range, including the Tribeca which at least is a bit old school odd ball) and I wasn't hugely impressed. Just look at their current offerings for gods sake, You could put any Japanese makers badge on them. Dull, dull, dull.

Not sure your bro would agree if he is earning a salary from them. A mate of mine has a Forester and reckons it is the best thing ever for towing but doubt its worth much these days 02 with over 100K .
I know a rep that calls to us with an 09 Legacy and he reckons his getting 1100 kms to the tank on a long run so that cant be bad with AWD .

Anan1

Up until recently, Subaru were a niche manufacturer with a very loyal customer base. Their current models seem designed to attract a broader following, but TBH they're losing me. I can see myself keeping my 2008 Forester for a long time.

pburns

Anan1 wrote: »

Up until recently, Subaru were a niche manufacturer with a very loyal customer base. Their current models seem designed to attract a broader following, but TBH they're losing me. I can see myself keeping my 2008 Forester for a long time.

+1

The new Legacy is a disappointment.

Re resale, who knows in the current environment? I have a diesel old-shape Legacy and am not too worried. They are quite a rare beast and the new model is a backwards step in many ways, making the old model mlore attractive.

The diesel engine got excellent reviews from everyone except Clarkson, Andrew 33 has some weird views...whatever...

Subaru have a problem in that the new model is j-u-s-t over the Band C limit and the competition has drastically improved CO2 ratings over the last 2 years. Band C in 2008 was pretty good. Band D in 2010 isn't.

copacetic

Imo the big problem with the newer subarus is that they increased prices when everyone else brought them down. Since they haven't added anything major and have not sorted out poor exterior and interior design this was a mistake.

So although they are a solid car and a good engine they start off priced way too high imo and can't possibly hold good percentages after 2 or 3 years.

Henry Ford III

A relatively thirsty high polluting diesel cannot be good for business surely?

unkel

copacetic wrote: »

Imo the big problem with the newer subarus is that they increased prices when everyone else brought them down. Since they haven't added anything major and have not sorted out poor exterior and interior design this was a mistake.

+1

The new Impreza (base model) diesel was very competitively priced (about €21k) when it was launched (despite the higher VRT compared to some competition) but somehow Subaru saw fit to increase the base price by more than 30% to €28k during the recession :rolleyes:

Tea 1000

unkel wrote: »

+1

The new Impreza (base model) diesel was very competitively priced (about €21k) when it was launched (despite the higher VRT compared to some competition) but somehow Subaru saw fit to increase the base price by more than 30% to €28k during the recession :rolleyes:

Ya, I can't understand that at all. It was the best value car in it's class by far, beating even the boards beloved Octavia in terms of value for money, a 150bhp diesel 4WD hatch.
Now however it's over priced, and so is the Legacy. Subaru cocked up royally.

mone

Henry Ford III wrote: »

A relatively thirsty high polluting diesel...

Not exactly a fair statement

Lex Luthor

kindalen, are you looking at the new shape legacy or old one?

kindalen

old shape. new is not my cup of tea.

Lex Luthor

kindalen wrote: »

old shape. new is not my cup of tea.

looks like there are a couple of old shape estates, one in carroll & Roche with leather. looks same as mine in the diamond grey

its a 09 one so you should get it for low to mid 20's I'd say

Henry Ford III

mone wrote: »

Not exactly a fair statement

Why so?

p.s. I said the Subaru was a "A relatively thirsty high polluting diesel..."

zoom_cool

I have a Subaru Impreza Diesel the top spec one and it is great I had a Alfa Romeo 159 1.9jtdm and it way quicker that it and not as hard on diesel and once you drive a AWD you wont go back to 2WD