Whats the Ruling ?

BUACHAILL · 06-08-2010 10:21pm #1

Was at mid amateur today in Grange.

Scenario is two guys tee off on the first par 3, both guys leave it short just off the green. Both players have same line to the pin but both are off the green. guy who is furthest away has to play first but player 2's golf ball is in his line. What should happen ?

Cheers

carnsoreboxer · 06-08-2010 10:28pm

The ball may be marked, lifted but not cleaned. Best to hold away from body so players can see ball not being interefered with. After player takes shot the ball is then replaced exactly where it was originally

copacetic · 06-08-2010 10:29pm

If guy furthest away asks then other player must mark his ball (or can elect to play it instead in strokeplay)

BUACHAILL · 06-08-2010 10:33pm

Thanks lads I really wasnt sure and to be honest I thought it was wrong. Just looks wrong marking ball off green !! You learn something new everyday eh !!

DonkeyPokerTour · 06-08-2010 10:51pm

Seeing as this ones all wrapped up I'll hijack it slightly.

Singles Competition. 2 Players both tee off from a par 3 both land on the green, as they walk to the green one turns to the other and asks "What did you hit?" the other replies "7iron", is their a penalty for either player?

I know their is after the first one plays the other asks what did he play but what about after both have hit?

marbar · 06-08-2010 10:53pm

dont think it counts after the facct

DH2K9 · 07-08-2010 12:13am

DonkeyPokerTour wrote: »

Seeing as this ones all wrapped up I'll hijack it slightly.

Singles Competition. 2 Players both tee off from a par 3 both land on the green, as they walk to the green one turns to the other and asks "What did you hit?" the other replies "7iron", is their a penalty for either player?

I know their is after the first one plays the other asks what did he play but what about after both have hit?

Ye I still think its a penalty.

fullstop · 07-08-2010 1:46am

DH2K9 wrote: »

Ye I still think its a penalty.

How so? It's not really giving or recieving advice.

thelongfellow · 07-08-2010 2:07am

DH2K9 wrote: »

Ye I still think its a penalty.

No penalty. Come on, this is basic rules of golf.

Carry a rule book maybe?

copacetic · 07-08-2010 7:45am

fullstop wrote: »

How so? It's not really giving or recieving advice.

It is, as the player can now judge how far the other player hits his clubs distance wise compared to him. Which will be useful for the rest of the round.

thelongfellow · 07-08-2010 9:45am

copacetic wrote: »

It is, as the player can now judge how far the other player hits his clubs distance wise compared to him. Which will be useful for the rest of the round.

8-1/7 After Player Has Played to Green He Asks Opponent or Fellow-Competitor What Club He Used in Playing to Green

Q A plays his second shot which lands on the green. B does likewise. A then asks B what club he used for his second shot. Was A in breach of Rule 8-1?

A No.

Jacket111001 · 07-08-2010 9:59am

No penalty.

Look up the rule book.

Its amazing the number of people who don't bother looking up the rule but feel free to offer their opinion as fact.
Makes you wonder how many times they break the rules in a normal round of golf.

fullstop · 07-08-2010 12:52pm

copacetic wrote: »

It is, as the player can now judge how far the other player hits his clubs distance wise compared to him. Which will be useful for the rest of the round.

Well he could look how far he hits a drive and judge by that...or is that not allowed either?

copacetic · 07-08-2010 12:57pm

fullstop wrote: »

Well he could look how far he hits a drive and judge by that...or is that not allowed either?

true, or he could look in his bag to see what club he hit which is always ok. the USGA decsion above seems to indicate it's ok anyway as long as you've hit your shot already.

Personally I'd never ask, just have a look in the bag while the player is hitting his shot. No debate that way..

thelongfellow · 07-08-2010 1:19pm

copacetic wrote: »

true, or he could look in his bag to see what club he hit which is always ok. the USGA decsion above seems to indicate it's ok anyway as long as you've hit your shot already.

Personally I'd never ask, just have a look in the bag while the player is hitting his shot. No debate that way..

R&A governs amateur golf rules here. The R&A website is excellent for rules queries.

Re: above-thats why I cover my irons with a towel when in competition esp on par 3's.

charlieIRL · 07-08-2010 5:02pm

Unless both players are similar ball strikers I don't see the advantage of knowing what the other player hit. You should know your own distances with your irons.

soundsham · 07-08-2010 9:02pm

charlieIRL wrote: »

Unless both players are similar ball strikers I don't see the advantage of knowing what the other player hit. You should know your own distances with your irons.

what if he knew his was a club less or more than his partner !!

charlieIRL · 07-08-2010 9:35pm

soundsham wrote: »

what if he knew his was a club less or more than his partner !!

"he" should still know the distance he can hit with his clubs though!!

mag · 07-08-2010 10:51pm

you're on the green, mark your ball & clean it by wiping it on the green. is that 'testing the green', i.e illegal?

heavyballs · 07-08-2010 11:10pm

mag wrote: »

you're on the green, mark your ball & clean it by wiping it on the green. is that 'testing the green', i.e illegal?

yes,2 shot penalty

heavyballs · 07-08-2010 11:18pm

charlieIRL wrote: »

"he" should still know the distance he can hit with his clubs though!!

i play a lot of scratch cups and on the most part the players at that level all hit our irons about the same,if i'm playing down in the european club and it's blowing a gale distance goes out the window,knowing the club helps big time,one tip i've used over the years is as i have covers on my irons i make sure they're on the wrong clubs,so my 4i has a 5i cover etc..players will look in your bag on the sly to see what club is missing.....i must admit i've done it myself in my younger years

mag · 07-08-2010 11:27pm

heavyballs wrote: »

yes,2 shot penalty

interesting. was playing with someone today who told me that ruling in passing & i thought it was bizzare, dunno how much of a clue youd get off the green by cleaning your ball on it...

heavyballs · 07-08-2010 11:36pm

mag wrote: »

interesting. was playing with someone today who told me that ruling in passing & i thought it was bizzare, dunno how much of a clue youd get off the green by cleaning your ball on it...

listen you know the deal with rules ,we all know you're not gaining but them's the rules
another weird one(will need confirmation)was during the week one of the lads told me when you sweep sand etc off the green you must use the back of the hand and not the fingers

Unglika Norse · 07-08-2010 11:52pm

mag wrote: »

you're on the green, mark your ball & clean it by wiping it on the green. is that 'testing the green', i.e illegal?

strangely you can wipe your ball on the green to clean it, it only becomes illegal and due a penalty if you are testing the surface 16-1d/5

charlieIRL · 08-08-2010 12:30am

heavyballs wrote: »

listen you know the deal with rules ,we all know you're not gaining but them's the rules
another weird one(will need confirmation)was during the week one of the lads told me when you sweep sand etc off the green you must use the back of the hand and not the fingers

I know that rule alright, only the back of your hand can touch the green.

heavyballs · 08-08-2010 12:36am

charlieIRL wrote: »

I know that rule alright, only the back of your hand can touch the green.

cheers,the reason i was dodgy on it was i say Ian Poulter brushing sand off with his fingers a couple of weeks ago,but afaik they have some different rules for the pro's

PhilipMarlowe · 08-08-2010 9:42am

You can brush sand of the green with anything pretty much. The only reason someone would use the back of their hand is to be more than obvious that they are not testing the green at the same time and since you are not allowed to press anything down or smooth the surface then this also helps remove doubt as to your intentions.

Also, re: cleaning your ball by rubbing it on the green - you are also "allowed" to do this but again the same principal applies. It could be argued that your intentions weren't above board and if there was any doubt you'd have a penalty against you for doing that.
Not strictly against the rules but it's dodgy ground which is why you shouldn't do it at all

fullstop · 08-08-2010 7:42pm

heavyballs wrote: »

yes,2 shot penalty

Not necessarily. Only if you are doing it with the purpose of testing the green, which is difficult to prove. I always go off the green to do it anyway to remove any doubt.

Myksyk · 09-08-2010 10:33am

Guys, there's a lot of "rules" that seem to do the rounds in peoples minds and get passed on to everyone else as fact but are not.

The 'testing the green' one is interesting. The Decisions on the rules of golf state that you can clean your ball on the green but it is not advised. It also states that you can knock the ball of an opponent back to him with your putter if the sole purpose of doing so was to return the ball to him (say after a concession in match play). Similarly it says you can roll your own ball up to your marker to play your next putt. In order to breach the rule it must be able to be convincingly argued that you were in fact intentionally 'testing the green'. Difficult to do. However, most people engaged in these actions are not in fact trying to test the green. That didn't stop our president applying a penalty in a match play against two youngsters who were spanking his and his partner's golfing asses for knocking a ball back to him after they conceded his putt. They enjoyed educating him on the actual facts of that rule later.

With regard to sand etc on the line of the putt, it can be cleared any way you want.

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