How come there are no Trade Unions in Ryanair?

someday2010

How come there are no Trade Unions in Ryanair? How did they getting away with not getting lumbered with militant trade unions like other airlines?

NUIG_FiannaFail

There is no place for trade unions in modern business. Trade unions make our businessmen less competitive.

someday2010

My personal opinion on Trade Unions is that they exist for two reasons:

1. To provide well paid employment for those that work for the union itself,
2. To protect the pay and conditions of the lazy, unproductive and incompetent staff at the expense of the more driven and productive staff.

But it is amazing that Ryanair have no unions at all.

NUIG_FiannaFail

someday2010 wrote: »

My personal opinion on Trade Unions is that they exist for two reasons:

1. To provide well paid employment for those that work for the union itself,
2. To protect the pay and conditions of the lazy, unproductive and incompetent staff at the expense of the more driven and productive staff.

But it is amazing that Ryanair have no unions at all.

Because Ryanair fire employees who join unions. As it should be.

donkey balls

NUIG_FiannaFail wrote: »

There is no place for trade unions in modern business. Trade unions make our businessmen less competitive.

your talking utter bullsh*t:mad:i worked for a very large US airline
and the pilots had a union,they also had unions in the likes of OZ&germany and the company was/is very profitable.
some times you need a union as companies will take advantage of their workers as i have seem it happen myself.

ronnie3585

NUIG_FiannaFail wrote: »

There is no place for trade unions in modern business. Trade unions make our businessmen less competitive.

Damn straight. The most corrupt institutions in Irish society.

homerjay2005

Ryanair dont allow them and rightly so. hence why we never have ryanair strikers like other useless ****s. ryanair is simple, if you dont want to work for them, go elsewhere and thats the way it should be.

Blue Punto

Unions work in some places but not all



what an open can of worms we have here:pac:

xflyer

Anyone in Ryanair can join any union they like and they won't be fired. It's just that Ryanair won't deal with the union. Potentially if enough people joined a union. Ryanair would be forced to deal with it. But it's hard to get enough people interested. Many would be anti union anyway and looking at the like of Aer Lingus, you can see why.

Foggy43

This is getting a bit silly now. The only time we hear of trade unions is when there are disputes.
The media fail to tell us of the great work they do and have done since they were founded. There are things we have today and take for granted that wouldn't be there without the unions.
Go and read your history books!

Lenny Lovett

Foggy43 wrote: »

This is getting a bit silly now. The only time we hear of trade unions is when there are disputes.
The media fail to tell us of the great work they do and have done since they were founded. There are things we have today and take for granted that wouldn't be there without the unions.
Go and read your history books!

Yeah, like that eyesore iconic building on the quays. Connolly hall?

FlutterinBantam

donkey balls wrote: »

your talking utter bullsh*t:mad:i worked for a very large US airline
and the pilots had a union,they also had unions in the likes of OZ&germany and the company was/is very profitable.
some times you need a union as companies will take advantage of their workers as i have seem it happen myself.

Northwest I'd say..:D Fookers were unionised to the hilt.

Anyway Mick took a look at the scene when he started up and decided that under no circumstances would he tolerate unions.

Saw straight away that to get anything done he would have to strip the power from the wasters and non risk takers who would happily spend three weeks or a month 'discussing' new procedures:D

Why spend yonks teasing out every minute detail of whether it takes 5 people or six to handle a 737-800:D

When it really only takes 4!!

jaysus!!

Fcuker had a bit of cop on in fairness.

donkey balls

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Northwest I'd say..:D Fookers were unionised to the hilt.

Anyway Mick took a look at the scene when he started up and decided that under no circumstances would he tolerate unions.

Saw straight away that to get anything done he would have to strip the power from the wasters and non risk takers who would happily spend three weeks or a month 'discussing' new procedures:D

Why spend yonks teasing out every minute detail of whether it takes 5 people or six to handle a 737-800:D

When it really only takes 4!!

jaysus!!

Fcuker had a bit of cop on in fairness.

negative on the airline:Dguess

FlutterinBantam

That leaves United:D

Listen , the unions brought Dublin Airport almost to a halt when this stuff was being promulgated.

What was the irony.....the only flights which were leaving were FR flights because the whistle men stopped Aer Lingus and all the airlines it handled.

Place only ground to a halt when the firestation withdrew services.

The main instigator from the firestation flew out to a Paddy's day parade in Savannah GA.Premier class on EI 3 days later.

Hmmmmmmm........................ there's one for ya;)

donkey balls

nope not UAL

FlutterinBantam

Last chance is Delta, I'm quitting after that.

donkey balls

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Last chance is Delta, I'm quitting after that.

nope not DAL also i never mentioned wether the company carried pax:D or not getting back on topic though, i have worked for companies were the employees needed a union as the company where complete b,stads towards them.
i have also worked in companies that did not have a union but you could raise any issues with the mgmt without any come back, saying that you are allways going get lazy un productive people working in an unoinised company as well as a non unionised company.

Stark

someday2010 wrote: »

How come there are no Trade Unions in Ryanair? How did they getting away with not getting lumbered with militant trade unions like other airlines?

They can't afford unions as they don't have a monopoly or receive Government subsidies.

McDougal

Stark wrote: »

They can't afford unions as they don't have a monopoly or receive Government subsidies.

Actually Ryanair receive subsidies from many different governments including the Irish one. Get your facts straight.

FlutterinBantam

donkey balls wrote: »

nope not DAL also i never mentioned wether the company carried pax:D or not getting back on topic though, i have worked for companies were the employees needed a union as the company where complete b,stads towards them.
i have also worked in companies that did not have a union but you could raise any issues with the mgmt without any come back, saying that you are allways going get lazy un productive people working in an unoinised company as well as a non unionised company.

:eek:


UP fookin S Fedex.... ok that's enough.


Over and out.:P

donkey balls

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

:eek:


UP fookin S Fedex.... ok that's enough.


Over and out.:P

afirm:p

seanyleary

someday2010 wrote: »

My personal opinion on Trade Unions is that they exist for two reasons:

1. To provide well paid employment for those that work for the union itself,
2. To protect the pay and conditions of the lazy, unproductive and incompetent staff at the expense of the more driven and productive staff.

But it is amazing that Ryanair have no unions at all.

100 % agree, unions are a waste of time and money.

Dacian

NUIG_FiannaFail wrote: »

There is no place for trade unions in modern business. Trade unions make our businessmen less competitive.

Trade union are there to protect workers being treated like ****e by businessmen (your word) who want to fleece them to the hilt.

And yes SOME trade unions are far too militant, outdated in their thinking and/or staffed with lazy ner'do wells.

SouthWest Airlines are fully unionised and they have no IR strife because the management treat the staff with respect and the staff have a vested interest in the well being of the airline through direct profit sharing. This reduces the overall profits of the airline but allows them flexibility and reliability. (SouthWest have posted a profit for each of the last 20 years I believe)
Mick didn't copy that bit about respecting staff, did he?

Personally I would love to not need a union in my line of work. owever my mgmt try to take advantage of us regularly so the union is a necessary evil.

When your employer changes your contract with less then 10 days notice, reduce your salary by 15% or try to discipline you for catching the flu 3 times in a year then you might like to have a union rep to call on.

xflyer

Dacian is correct, the reality is that unions in the past are responsible for many of the reforms that we enjoy today, even with Ryanair. Even with the most capitalist of companies. Companies, bosses realise that over the top oppression and exploitation of employees drives them into organising. The result is strong unions and trouble for the company.

Unfortunately the compass swung the wrong way and unions got too powerful and often had a political agenda at odds with good business sense. The result was that unions so intent on protecting it's own interests and that of it's existing members, stymied job creations and created absurdist situations. My most memorable was the moment a bottle of product was blacked and left sitting on a shelf because it was requisitioned by a supervisor rather than a union member storeman. The aburdity of it was obvious for all to see but no one could touch that bottle.

My Father a life long union man and a shop steward sadly concluded at the end of his life that the unions in Ireland did as much damage a Fianna Fail, as party he hated with a passion. Something I share.

When the unions stopped protecting workers and started protecting their own interests they were doomed.

Dacian

xflyer wrote: »

When the unions stopped protecting workers and started protecting their own interests they were doomed.

Well said.