HUGE BOMB BLAST ROCKS DERRY @ 3.30AM

lucy333springer

We"ll hear more later, but it was a big bomb, Im working 5 miles away,
and it was a mighty noise.333

derra_121

Hope no one was hurt.. but if it was heard 5 miles away im sure it was big...

Nothing on RTE or BBC yet

PomBear

From what i've heard, it was Strand Road Barracks that was bombed

pablo_escobar

let me get this straight..

the people setting off these bombs want british soldiers back on streets of northern ireland? correct?

i guess with all those builders out of work, they needed something to do.

Zambia

There you go.

A taxi is destroyed a few businesses damaged and a bit of the PSNI's wall is broken.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-10848505

A car bomb has exploded outside a police station in Londonderry.

A taxi driver was forced to bring the device to Strand Road police station early on Tuesday by two hijackers, one of whom was carrying a gun.
Dissident republicans

It exploded at about 0320 BST. No-one was injured. The explosion damaged the police station's perimeter wall.

SDLP Mayor of Derry Colm Eastwood said nearby buildings had been badly damaged and blamed dissident republicans for the attack.

"There seems to be a lot of wreckage; the car is completely destroyed and it seems businesses across the street have been destroyed as well," he said.

"Police didn't even have time to evacuate a nursing home or apartments right beside the police station.

"We are very lucky today not to be talking about fatalities. It's an attack not just on the police but the entire community."

In May, a mortar bomb was fired at the same police station. It struck a wall but failed to explode.

OhNoYouDidn't

pablo_escobar wrote: »

let me get this straight..

the people setting off these bombs want british soldiers back on streets of northern ireland? correct?

Yes, thats the aim of the dissidents! :rolleyes:

Broxi_Bear_Eire

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Yes, thats the aim of the dissidents! :rolleyes:

Its certainly what will happen though also it won't take much for the loyalist faction to start up again. I really despair at times

OhNoYouDidn't

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Its certainly what will happen though also it won't take much for the loyalist faction to start up again. I really despair at times

I agree, but I equally despair at people whose understanding of the conflict in the 6 counties is that the dissidents aim is to bring soldiers onto Irish streets. Its actually difficult to get it that wrong?

Broxi_Bear_Eire

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

I agree, but I equally despair at people whose understanding of the conflict in the 6 counties is that the dissidents aim is to bring soldiers onto Irish streets. Its actually difficult to get it that wrong?

I agree but I think he was being sarcastic I could be very very wrong though it won't be the first time

LordSutch

So what is the aim of the 'so called' dissidents? everyone despises them, they have zero support, and everydody is confused about their aims

dan_d

Nobody has a fecking clue, but I'd lay money that a large number of them are stupid little boys, who weren't even alive during the Troubles, and are running around trying to be big men in the name of the "Republic".

More worrying however is who's organising them.I'd imagine they can't gun-smuggle or run drugs much anymore, since the IRA is disbanded.Probably trying to get their revenue stream back on line again. And I say this with all seriousness.Can't they take a hint and get out? We don't want them, and the North certainly doesn't. Where do they think they're going with this?

Coillte_Bhoy

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

I agree, but I equally despair at people whose understanding of the conflict in the 6 counties is that the dissidents aim is to bring soldiers onto Irish streets. Its actually difficult to get it that wrong?

Wouldnt British soldiers on the streets give their campaign more 'legitimacy' in that they could claim to be fighting an occupying force?

OhNoYouDidn't

LordSutch wrote: »

So what is the aim of the 'so called' dissidents? everyone despises them, they have zero support, and everydody is confused about their aims

Come on out of that. Regardless of their popular support, where some clearly exists, its very obvious what their aims are.

Unless the concept of physical force Republicanism is a new one on you as you have lived in a cave since 1798?

OhNoYouDidn't

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Wouldnt British soldiers on the streets give their campaign more 'legitimacy' in that they could claim to be fighting an occupying force?

British soldiers never left the streets though. Isn't that half the problem? The political peace hasn't necessarily translated onto the ground, and for right or wrong, there are still people who are willing to take the war to the Brits.

At one level, there will always be an IRA of some description active while the occupation continues, but what is worrying is the age of some of these activists. 17 year olds are not oppressed any more, so this is ideological in nature which means the provisional movement are losing the strategic argument on the ground.

OhNoYouDidn't

dan_d wrote: »

Nobody has a fecking clue, but I'd lay money that a large number of them are stupid little boys, who weren't even alive during the Troubles, and are running around trying to be big men in the name of the "Republic".

More worrying however is who's organising them.I'd imagine they can't gun-smuggle or run drugs much anymore, since the IRA is disbanded.Probably trying to get their revenue stream back on line again. And I say this with all seriousness.Can't they take a hint and get out? We don't want them, and the North certainly doesn't. Where do they think they're going with this?

Christ on a honda, is that seriously your anaylsis?

LordSutch

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

At one level, there will always be an IRA of some description active while the occupation continues .

The occupation being the unionist people, or what?

OhNoYouDidn't

LordSutch wrote: »

The occupation being the unionist majority, or what?

I'm not here to defend them, the opposite in fact. But there seems to be an air of surprise that there will be an ideological rump who will always fight a British military presence in Ireland.

The only interesting thing about it to me is the age profile.

LordSutch

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

I'm not here to defend them, the opposite in fact. But there seems to be an air of surprise that there will be an ideological rump who will always fight a British military presence in Ireland.

What military presence? do you mean the 'peace time' garrison ???

Don't forget that Northern Ireland is an integral part of the United Kingdom, and as such, it is quite right that a military presence is retained in that region of the UK. Those who wish to attack the military (& Police) are fighting against the will of the people North & South, who agreed on the the Good Friday Agreement (1998).

OhNoYouDidn't

LordSutch wrote: »

What military presence? do you mean the 'peace time' garrison ???

Don't forget that Northern Ireland is an integral part of the United Kingdom, and as such, it is quite right that a military presence is retained in that region of the UK. Those who wish to attack the military (& Police) are fighting against the will of the people North & South, who agreed on the the Good Friday Agreement (1998).

I think you will find that is disputed.... :rolleyes:

Come on, get real. The idea that there are people who are willing to take up arms against the British army to remove them from Ireland cannot be a new one on you.

Rights or wrongs of the stance are irrelevant. You appear to be in shock at the concept.

Kev_ps3

LordSutch wrote: »

What military presence? do you mean the 'peace time' garrison ???

Don't forget that Northern Ireland is an integral part of the United Kingdom, and as such, it is quite right that a military presence is retained in that region of the UK. Those who wish to attack the military (& Police) are fighting against the will of the people North & South, who agreed on the the Good Friday Agreement (1998).

'the north' is Irish land, until we get it back there wont be peace unfortunately.

LordSutch

Well of course if you two disagree with the very foundation of the 1998 agreement, then everything is still up for grabs!

So let the Bombs continue . . .

aDeener

LordSutch wrote: »

So what is the aim of the 'so called' dissidents? everyone despises them, they have zero support, and everydody is confused about their aims

well that is obviously not true, they would not be able to get away with what they are doing if they had zero support.

mike65

Taxi drivers really don't deserve to be turned into human bombs.

OhNoYouDidn't

LordSutch wrote: »

Well of course if you two disagree with the very foundation of the 1998 agreement, then everything is still up for grabs!

So let the Bombs continue . . .

I agree - there was major opposition from within Republicanism to the GFA and its copper fastening of partition. They believe PSF have sold their souls and are taking the mantle on. Is this news?

LordSutch

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

I agree - there was major opposition from within Republicanism to the GFA and its copper fastening of partition. They believe PSF have sold their souls and are taking the mantle on. Is this news?

Its not news, but its a real sh1tty outlook for the future :mad:

Cant these wannabe 'Rambo's' catch themselves on, get some jobs, & become part of civilised society?

pablo_escobar

OhNoYouDidn't wrote:

I agree, but I equally despair at people whose understanding of the conflict in the 6 counties is that the dissidents aim is to bring soldiers onto Irish streets. Its actually difficult to get it that wrong?

Well, excuse me, but what exactly is the aim? and where does this dissident group expect to get support on the level of 40 years ago?

Why didn't they just throw a fire cracker at the barracks last night? would probably have bigger impact.

OhNoYouDidn't

pablo_escobar wrote: »

Well, excuse me, but what exactly is the aim? and where does this dissident group expect to get support on the level of 40 years ago?

The aim is to force a British withdrawl.

I have no idea what their strategy for support is, I don't back them

pablo_escobar wrote: »

Why didn't they just throw a fire cracker at the barracks last night? would probably have bigger impact.

Would it really? Would we be talking about them?

briany

The thing about this to me is these bombs are being set off without the aim to kill as such. If they wanted to kill people with these bombs, they could probably manage that. It seems like they want to reintensify the situation without causing any loss of human life that they know would turn opinion quite violently against them, it's already against them but it would backlash in a way that the decent people of N.I. nationalist, unionist with find these people and string them up. They want the soldiers back on the street to polarise the communities once again in an overt way and then maybe they'll be back to the "Good 'ol days"......

Bottle_of_Smoke

briany wrote: »

The thing about this to me is these bombs are being set off without the aim to kill as such. If they wanted to kill people with these bombs, they could probably manage that. It seems like they want to reintensify the situation without causing any loss of human life that they know would turn opinion quite violently against them, it's already against them but it would backlash in a way that the decent people of N.I. nationalist, unionist with find these people and string them up. They want the soldiers back on the street to polarise the communities once again in an overt way and then maybe they'll be back to the "Good 'ol days"......

Yeah was thinking that myself. No real point in bombing a bomb proof police station.

Also they've been targeting Catholic police officers. Reckon that's to avoid a loyalist response at this point. Figure they think they'll get the blame for that.

Maybe if they keep this kinda thing up nationalists will start getting harassed by security forces. Then end up supporting millitant republicans.

Though I really don't think it is possible to mount a guerrilla war in a western country these days. Too much technology and general apathy from the public. They should really just admit defeat

FTA69

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Though I really don't think it is possible to mount a guerrilla war in a western country these days. Too much technology and general apathy from the public. They should really just admit defeat

Armed struggle as a tactic is not viable in this country. Simple as. Organisations like this would be better off trying to construct a political alternative for working-class Irish people rather than jumping out of the shadows every few months to pull off yet another ineffectual operation.

Overheal

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055988416

coincidence?!!?

KeithAFC

Makes me laugh do these people. They just need to look around them. The war is over. Martin Mcguinness says it, Gerry adams says it, Ian Paisley Jr says it and so does Peter Robinson.

Time to drop the gun ladies.

briany

I said before that these bombings are to entice a British military presence back into the streets. That was my thinking but if they're not successful with these bombings in that regard, will they try to step it up a notch to bombs that are indeed aimed at killing, hits on politicians and more? Their beef seems to be with the PSNI now - bombs outside police stations, the killing of a (catholic) officer.....It's a very sad, strange and twisted "war" they wage.

O'Neill

The thing is, it has wrecked 10 businesses in the strand road area, and apparently the whole building might have to come down, with ironically little damage to the police station. This is the very last thing this city needs!

KeithAFC

Londonderry will be getting more jobs soon because of the UK city of culture 2013, it will hold the BRIT awards, Sports personality of the year and so on. What are these people thinking of with these bombs and acts of violence?

They simply need to be stopped, people in the coummunity should give information about them, because at this rate, they are going to cost londonderry, big time.

Denerick

KeithAFC wrote: »

Londonderry will be getting more jobs soon because of the UK city of culture 2013, it will hold the BRIT awards, Sports personality of the year and so on. What are these people thinking of with these bombs and acts of violence?

They simply need to be stopped, people in the coummunity should give information about them, because at this rate, they are going to cost londonderry, big time.

The problem is that these perpetrators are incapable of thought. They are only a few evolutionary steps away from homo erectus. I suspect they suffer from genetic defects which leads to loss of brain matter and cognitive ability.

Or maybe I'm biased.

briany

KeithAFC wrote: »

Londonderry will be getting more jobs soon because of the UK city of culture 2013, it will hold the BRIT awards, Sports personality of the year and so on. What are these people thinking of with these bombs and acts of violence?

They simply need to be stopped, people in the coummunity should give information about them, because at this rate, they are going to cost londonderry, big time.

The awful thing is, they are probably aware of that (in the same way that certain underwater invertebrates can distinguish between light and shade) and will look at those events as a way of calling attention to the acts they'll probably plan to commit around that time. If they're organised, they can be infiltrated by the authorities and broken up but what worries me is that they're just some cell working under the IRA "brand". As we've seen with Al Qaeda, when it's some radicals associating themselves with a political ideal, it's much harder to stamp out entirely.

Kev_ps3

KeithAFC wrote: »

Londonderry will be getting more jobs soon because of the UK city of culture 2013, it will hold the BRIT awards, Sports personality of the year and so on. What are these people thinking of with these bombs and acts of violence?

They simply need to be stopped, people in the coummunity should give information about them, because at this rate, they are going to cost londonderry, big time.

Thats Derry you Unionist. Its called Derry by everyone in the Republic, and this is an Irish forum.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Thats Derry you Unionist. Its called Derry by everyone in the Republic, and this is an Irish forum.

Jeez is that all you have to worry you who cares if people want to call it London Derry let them same as if people want to call it Derry.
I really think the people living there are more worried about Bombs than names

Jaap

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Thats Derry you Unionist. Its called Derry by everyone in the Republic, and this is an Irish forum.

I call it Londonderry and I live in the Republic...doesn't make me a bad person though!
This may be an Irish forum...but it is open to all persons who treat the forum and users with respect!

Denerick

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Thats Derry you Unionist. Its called Derry by everyone in the Republic, and this is an Irish forum.

You're supposed to say 'SIEG HIEL' after making a Nazi post.

Kev_ps3

Denerick wrote: »

You're supposed to say 'SIEG HIEL' after making a Nazi post.

Ironic.
Wasnt it the NAZI's who invaded other countrys and thought they were superior? Somewhat like the Brits when it comes to Derry.

Denerick

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Ironic.
Wasnt it the NAZI's who invaded other countrys and thought they were superior? Somewhat like the Brits when it comes to Derry.

Yeah. I think the comparison really stands when you take into account the millions of Catholics who were marched into British concentration camps and exterminated.

Wait a minute....

Kev_ps3

Denerick wrote: »

Yeah. I think the comparison really stands when you take into account the millions of Catholics who were marched into British concentration camps and exterminated.

Wait a minute....

It was called the Famine.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

It was called the Famine.

So only RC's died in the famine :rolleyes:

Denerick

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

It was called the Famine.

Read a history book. Read many history books. Failing that just read a book.

KeithAFC

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Thats Derry you Unionist. Its called Derry by everyone in the Republic, and this is an Irish forum.

But its Londonderry on the BBC weather report.:)

Bottle_of_Smoke

KeithAFC wrote: »

But its Londonderry on the BBC weather report.:)

Londonderry/Derry pointless discussion

Actually its a pointless thread. Work away

Nodin

Denerick wrote: »

You're supposed to say 'SIEG HIEL' after making a Nazi post.

Denerick wrote: »

Read a history book. Read many history books. Failing that just read a book. .

Yep, that'll help the tone allright......

KeithAFC

These dissidents are moving quickly to try and kill people it seems. Havoc happening all over the place. Roads being closed and all.

oscarBravo

briany wrote: »

The thing about this to me is these bombs are being set off without the aim to kill as such.

...which will, of course, be wheeled out as an excuse if and when someone is killed: wah wah we didn't mean to hurt anyone, wah wah the police didn't act on the warning.

You plant a bomb, you're taking the chance of killing someone.

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Thats Derry you Unionist. Its called Derry by everyone in the Republic, and this is an Irish forum.

It's called Londonderry by a significant percentage of people in Northern Ireland, who are welcome to post here - as is anyone who has anything of value to contribute.