ICABS wants your larsen traps

Grizzly 45

Not satisfied ever with mucking around with effective methods of dealing with vermin ICABS wants now to see Larsen traps banned.



ICABS has called on readers of the Irish Independent not to purchase cruel bird traps. Featured as a "Reader Offer" in a catalogue in the Independent of July 17th, the cruel Larsen trap is used to catch magpies and other birds.
In a letter to the editor of the newspaper, we highlighted a disturbing video which shows a magpie caught in a Larsen trap (tinyurl.com/magpietrap). It is seen repeatedly jumping back and forth against the wire bars in an unending effort to try and get free.
Designed in Denmark in the 1950s, these cruel traps are now banned there due to the suffering caused. They use a permanently trapped bird to lure in other birds. They fly down on to the trap, fall through a collapsing floor and find themselves trapped too.
Before being brutally killed, they will be overcome with the fear and stress of confinement. Some will suffer hunger and thirst as well as broken beaks and cut heads from futile attempts to smash their way to freedom. When magpie parents are caught, their orphaned chicks will starve to death in nests. ICABS is calling on Minister John Gormley to urgently introduce a ban on Larsen traps. Please join us in our call. Contact Minister John Gormley at:

And if that isnt enough the Animal Rights Loons also want Coilte to stop having online the forms for hunting liscenses for deer.


The National Parks and Wildlife Service has been asked by ICABS to remove links to hunting licence forms from the homepage of its website http://www.npws.ie/en/
The links are to application forms for "Hunting Fauna in State-Owned Foreshore" and "Capture/Kill Protected Wild Animals for Educational or Scientific Purposes".
In our correspondence to the body, we commented that the links act as an advertisement for hunting and killing and possibly as an encouragement to apply. "Given that the NPWS's primary role is to conserve wildlife and to engender in the public a respect for fauna, we believe it is inappropriate for links relating to the hunting, capturing and killing of animals to be on permanent, prominent display on the front page of your site," we stated.

[Animal voice]

Really funny to hear John Gormless going on that we are spreading fear and teror around the countryside about them banning shooting,fishing and fox hunting,when ol Gormless was a member and supporter of ICABS for many years.Along with Trev Sargant,and Patrica Mc Kenna.He's fooling nobody but himself.:rolleyes:

Tackleberrywho

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Not satisfied ever with mucking around with effective methods of dealing with vermin ICABS wants now to see Larsen traps banned.



ICABS has called on readers of the Irish Independent not to purchase cruel bird traps. Featured as a "Reader Offer" in a catalogue in the Independent of July 17th, the cruel Larsen trap is used to catch magpies and other birds.
In a letter to the editor of the newspaper, we highlighted a disturbing video which shows a magpie caught in a Larsen trap (tinyurl.com/magpietrap). It is seen repeatedly jumping back and forth against the wire bars in an unending effort to try and get free.
Designed in Denmark in the 1950s, these cruel traps are now banned there due to the suffering caused. They use a permanently trapped bird to lure in other birds. They fly down on to the trap, fall through a collapsing floor and find themselves trapped too.
Before being brutally killed, they will be overcome with the fear and stress of confinement. Some will suffer hunger and thirst as well as broken beaks and cut heads from futile attempts to smash their way to freedom. When magpie parents are caught, their orphaned chicks will starve to death in nests. ICABS is calling on Minister John Gormley to urgently introduce a ban on Larsen traps. Please join us in our call. Contact Minister John Gormley at:

And if that isnt enough the Animal Rights Loons also want Coilte to stop having online the forms for hunting liscenses for deer.


The National Parks and Wildlife Service has been asked by ICABS to remove links to hunting licence forms from the homepage of its website http://www.npws.ie/en/
The links are to application forms for "Hunting Fauna in State-Owned Foreshore" and "Capture/Kill Protected Wild Animals for Educational or Scientific Purposes".
In our correspondence to the body, we commented that the links act as an advertisement for hunting and killing and possibly as an encouragement to apply. "Given that the NPWS's primary role is to conserve wildlife and to engender in the public a respect for fauna, we believe it is inappropriate for links relating to the hunting, capturing and killing of animals to be on permanent, prominent display on the front page of your site," we stated.

[Animal voice]

Really funny to hear John Gormless going on that we are spreading fear and teror around the countryside about them banning shooting,fishing and fox hunting,when ol Gormless was a member and supporter of ICABS for many years.Along with Trev Sargant,and Patrica Mc Kenna.He's fooling nobody but himself.:rolleyes:

`Them antis are never happy! They have no clue of the world flora or fauna

They are very good at throwing brake fluid on jeeps though! Guy I know was on hols, a hunt was in his village. When he came back his jeep was wrecked along with 5 others. he does not even hunt or own a horse or gun!

Antis .....

johngalway

ICABS should get a job.

deeksofdoom

johngalway wrote: »

ICABS should get a job.

This could be interesting, posters should reply with 'ICABS should......'

My turn;

ICABS should go and **** themselves!

Not very imaginative I know but...

cavan shooter

Bernie et al really havent got a clue, the larsen trap is an effective and humane way to capture a targeted species in this case greys or mags. The call bird becomes one of the best fed magpies in the country.

The bird was jumping around the place because it was disturbed by the gobsheen with the camera.

The magpie and grey does untold damage to the wild bird populations not only the pheasant and partridge, she would have the trap banned yet it is safer than alpha.

We call them loons but ICABS can do damage

Rovi

I presume (hope!) they're particularly 'wrong' with this bit:
"...these cruel traps are now banned..."? :eek:

Otherwise, we'll have a lot of thread editing and charter re-writing to do here.

johngalway

Rovi wrote: »

I presume (hope!) they're particularly 'wrong' with this bit:
"...these cruel traps are now banned..."? :eek:

Otherwise, we'll have a lot of thread editing and charter re-writing to do here.

I think they're referring to Denmark there Rovi. Though I wouldn't say if it's accurate or not coming from that shower.

Rovi

johngalway wrote: »

I think they're referring to Denmark there Rovi. Though I wouldn't say if it's accurate or not coming from that shower.

Ah, I missed this bit:
"Designed in Denmark in the 1950s, these cruel traps are now banned there..."

False alarm, carry on.

johngalway

Rovi wrote: »

False alarm, carry on.

I will!

Dusty87

I feel sorry for these people. They are just looking for something to do. The traps have been around for a long time. Why now??
Group sitting around a table.
"what now lads"
"what about these larson trap things"
"everyone ok with that"
"Larson traps it is"







"what exactly is a larson trap boss?"

Rovi

Dusty87 wrote: »

I feel sorry for these people. They are just looking for something to do. The traps have been around for a long time. Why now??
Group sitting around a table.
"what now lads"
"what about these larson trap things"
"everyone ok with that"
"Larson traps it is"







"what exactly is a larson trap boss?"

Why am I strongly reminded of this?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUBAx8jbYNs

:D:D

lofty95

typical antis, negative in every way never see the good that clearing an area of magpies and greys does. They dont have any clue about the effects that these vermin have on the song game bird populations. Its as someone just said they need to get a job like the rest of us.

Dusty87

Sorry rovi, cant see a thing. This feckin PC:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Tackleberrywho

Dusty87 wrote: »

Sorry rovi, cant see a thing. This feckin PC:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

It is your PC Dusty, I reckon you have no flashplayer installed.

Try opening boards.ie on googlechrome, mozilla, or internet explorer

Although maybe the ICABS will try and ban the life of Brian as it is very symbolic of there aims!

Rovi

Dusty87 wrote: »

Sorry rovi, cant see a thing. This feckin PC:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

It's a YouTube video, here's a direct link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUBAx8jbYNs

Dusty87

Ah the people's front of the judea. and then theres the Judean peoples front.
Thanks Rovi, now im going to have to watch that film tonight:D:D:D

Birdnuts

I totally agree with all the sentiments expressed on here - ICABS need to stop wasting peoples time and instead work with hunters and conservationists in preserving Ireland Natural Heritage for the benefit of all.

ormondprop

i hate all these anti crowds, what would the country be like without hunters? do they realise the amount of effort 90% of hunters put into keeping wildlife alive here, all they see is us killing animals, they dont realise the amount of game birds that people release into the wild every year, and the work that goes into looking after game birds, if they banned everything they wanted all that would be left in the country would be birds and animals with no natural predators such as foxes, mags and greys then they would be giving out again that more children are getting attacked by foxes and spending millions of tax payers money trying to get rid of them again and spending more money trying to reintroduce species that died out due to the over population of magpies greys and other predators, they havent a clue, people in offices that wouldn't know what the inside of a field looks like coming up with stuff to do

Grizzly 45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P2jJdrz9bY&feature=related

This scene could be used for;
A] The ICABS,CAFT,CACS.AHS and NARA AGM
B] the Irish shooting bodies meeting amongst themselves
c] The way the Dail conducts busisness in Ireland.

You take your pic.:D:D:D:D

Grizzly 45

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

`Them antis are never happy! They have no clue of the world flora or fauna

They are very good at throwing brake fluid on jeeps though! Guy I know was on hols, a hunt was in his village. When he came back his jeep was wrecked along with 5 others. he does not even hunt or own a horse or gun!

Antis .....

Amongst other fukwitted acts of vandalism for their cause...
Lets see...
Gluing the office locks of the NARGC building,phoning in bomb hoaxes to same and other organisations and people in the UK and Irl.
smashing up signs for fox hunt balls,sending people involved in fox hunting mass cards and brevement notices,releasing mink to the detriment of the countryside,scattering glass and nails on coursing tracks and in front of horses at hunts in the UK and Ireland,arson,attempted procuring of incendiray devices,and or explosives and firearms,possesion of same and bomb making materials,vandalism of private property,grave desercration, possible attempted procuring and liasing with a known NI renegade UVF/UFF firebomb maker,in the mid 1990's.Posting of booby trapped mails to pro fieldsport people.
It is immaterial to me wether the Irish groups condone or condem or participated in this activity,or deny their members did.They offer support and solidarity to these people that do,so as far as I am concerned John Gormley and his green sidekicks are no better than supporters of terrorism.Lie down with the dog,you will get up with fleas.It is amazing that these groups have not been targeted with incitement to hatred or terrorism law yet here in the ROI.

Birdnuts

I can pretty much guarantee that shooting/hunting bodies will get strong support from the likes of Birdwatch Ireland and the Golden Eagle Trust to put a halt to the gallop of ICABS on this issue. I will be personally contacting my contacts in these organisations on this issue ASAP.:)

Feargal as Luimneach

If Larsen traps were banned, people would probably poison the birds if they weren't shooters. As if the problem with poisoning isn't bad enough.:(

Feargal as Luimneach

ormondprop wrote: »

i hate all these anti crowds, what would the country be like without hunters? do they realise the amount of effort 90% of hunters put into keeping wildlife alive here, all they see is us killing animals, they dont realise the amount of game birds that people release into the wild every year, and the work that goes into looking after game birds, if they banned everything they wanted all that would be left in the country would be birds and animals with no natural predators such as foxes, mags and greys then they would be giving out again that more children are getting attacked by foxes and spending millions of tax payers money trying to get rid of them again and spending more money trying to reintroduce species that died out due to the over population of magpies greys and other predators, they havent a clue, people in offices that wouldn't know what the inside of a field looks like coming up with stuff to do

What species have become extinct due to overpopulation of magpies,greys and other predators?

Grizzly 45

None.

Anyone ever hear of a cat in a larsen?

Spannerman7

No cats but I cought a dog a few years back, I took a photo on the phone but I no longer have it, one of the funniest things I've seen, the mesh was 2" on that trap (all I had) and his legs were poking out, he could move about 5 yards at a time, took the dog back to his owner and no harm done. I had the trap baited with a bit of rabbit trying to get a decoy.
Cought plenty of cats in my fox trap though.

On the original subject, the general public should be made more aware of what cruelty and damage has been inflicted on Irish wildlife and particularly birds by the release of mink by these type of people.

I have a big brush covered in tar and it needs using up, fight fire with fire.

johngalway

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone ever hear of a cat in a larsen?

When my ladder trap was in operation, holes kept appearing at ground level in the chicken wire (before I thought CW was useless). Dad had a commercial larsen trap which I borrowed, got a hare killed on the road and put him into the larsen, which I put inside the ladder trap. Sisters cat was in the larsen the next morning :rolleyes: Let him off, he never went near either again mind you.

Dusty87

Someone put a pic on here before of a vixen in one. Have seen it regurarly in the shooting magazines

Eddie B

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

What species have become extinct due to overpopulation of magpies,greys and other predators?

Well i know that the Game Keepers in Boora bog have a special licence to dispatch any predators, be it Fox, Pine Martin, Mink, Buzzard, cat or whatever!
They have to protect the only native population of Gray partridge in the country!
So in this case, overpopulation of preditors would most definitly cause the extinction of an endangered bird!

I think there's a similar example of this in Wales where the Black Grouse is on the brink of extinction as a UK species!

Tackleberrywho

Eddie B wrote: »

Well i know that the Game Keepers in Boora bog have a special licence to dispatch any predators, be it Fox, Pine Martin, Mink, Buzzard, cat or whatever!
They have to protect the only native population of Gray partridge in the country!
So in this case, overpopulation of preditors would most definitly cause the extinction of an endangered bird!

I think there's a similar example of this in Wales where the Black Grouse is on the brink of extinction as a UK species!

I know the fella who has the job.
My Dream retirement job

Feargal as Luimneach

Eddie B wrote: »

Well i know that the Game Keepers in Boora bog have a special licence to dispatch any predators, be it Fox, Pine Martin, Mink, Buzzard, cat or whatever!
They have to protect the only native population of Gray partridge in the country!
So in this case, overpopulation of preditors would most definitly cause the extinction of an endangered bird!

I think there's a similar example of this in Wales where the Black Grouse is on the brink of extinction as a UK species!

Intensive agriculture caused the decline of the Gray Partridge. Of course when the gray partridge was at such a critical level the loss of one bird is a major loss so predator control is vital. But predators were not the cause of the near extinction of gray partridge.

Tackleberrywho

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

Intensive agriculture caused the decline of the Gray Partridge. Of course when the gray partridge was at such a critical level the loss of one bird is a major loss so predator control is vital. But predators were not the cause of the near extinction of gray partridge.

TBH Boora parklands has saved many species.
Be that as it may the draining ofr bogland 60 years ago has come full circle with them flooding them again.

Shannon Callows are the same, many ground nesting birds terrorised by maggers/Greys and Foxes

Dusty87

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

TBH Boora parklands has saved many species.
Be that as it may the draining ofr bogland 60 years ago has come full circle with them flooding them again.

Shannon Callows are the same, many ground nesting birds terrorised by maggers/Greys and Foxes

In the Callows mink are the biggest threat to ground nesting birds i think. The NPWS have hired trappers. I think there is two on the shannon

Tackleberrywho

Dusty87 wrote: »

In the Callows mink are the biggest threat to ground nesting birds i think. The NPWS have hired trappers. I think there is two on the shannon

I have a friend who does a bit of that, Himself and Wavin.;)

Eddie B

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

Intensive agriculture caused the decline of the Gray Partridge. Of course when the gray partridge was at such a critical level the loss of one bird is a major loss so predator control is vital. But predators were not the cause of the near extinction of gray partridge.

Im not disagreeing with ya, of course its us humans that have distroyed the countryside, and have put pressure on vunerable species!

I was just pointing out that there are circumstances when keeping virmin numbers to zero is essential!
I also think that due to the human race, there is an imbalance in nature, with high vermin numbers because of roadkill, wheely bins, rubbish dumps, and feeding in urban area's!
So i think that its our responsibility to keep a balance, to keep vermin numbers manageable!

Feargal as Luimneach

Dusty87 wrote: »

In the Callows mink are the biggest threat to ground nesting birds i think. The NPWS have hired trappers. I think there is two on the shannon

In the Callows the biggest threat is the summer flooding over that last five years especially. Mink do take corncrakes (every last one shot to protect corncrakes) but it's the flooding that has the corncrakes near extinct on the callows:(.

Tackleberrywho

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

In the Callows the biggest threat is the summer flooding over that last five years especially. Mink do take corncrakes (every last one shot to protect corncrakes) but it's the flooding that has the corncrakes near extinct on the callows:(.

Blame the ESB then for Ardnacrusha!!:D

Birdnuts

Dusty87 wrote: »

In the Callows mink are the biggest threat to ground nesting birds i think. The NPWS have hired trappers. I think there is two on the shannon

Yes - it has made a big difference to the survival rates of red list wader chicks this spring on the BWI reserve at Bullock Island on the Callows:)

PS: I would agree that the only good mink is a dead one in the Irish context. The release of these non-native predators by some Animal rights people was an act of gross stupidity and ignorance. The damage this has done to vulnerable native species like the Common Scoter(virtually extinct now as a breeding bird in this country), various inland gull/tern colonies and many wildfowl species has been enormous and possibly irreversible given the situation on some of the bigger lakes in the midland and West:mad:

Grizzly 45

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Blame the ESB then for Ardnacrusha!!:D

You can blame that dam in part for the ever diminishing stocks of salmon as well.This has been proven historically .

Dusty87

Birdnuts wrote: »

Yes - it has made a big difference to the survival rates of red list wader chicks this spring on the BWI reserve at Bullock Island on the Callows:)

PS: I would agree that the only good mink is a dead one in the Irish context. The release of these non-native predators by some Animal rights people was an act of gross stupidity and ignorance. The damage this has done to vulnerable native species like the Common Scoter(virtually extinct now as a breeding bird in this country), various inland gull/tern colonies and many wildfowl species has been enormous and possibly irreversible given the situation on some of the bigger lakes in the midland and West:mad:

On a river i used to fish, there was a nice flock of mallard there. Tourist used to feed them. Them the antis released these mink. For years there was nothing. Last year i seen 4 at the same green area. This year there is a nice few but no where near what there was.

In the Callows the biggest threat is the summer flooding over that last five years especially

Maybe so Fearghal, i dont know much about that, but here, were talking about unprotected species

Birdnuts

Dusty87 wrote: »

On a river i used to fish, there was a nice flock of mallard there. Tourist used to feed them. Them the antis released these mink. For years there was nothing. Last year i seen 4 at the same green area. This year there is a nice few but no where near what there was.

Lough Carra in Co. Mayo 20 years ago had the biggest breeding population of Mallards in the British Isles. The arrival of mink soon afterwards has devastated that population:(

johngalway

I'll never understand why they won't introduce a bounty on mink. Money talks, even the pot hunters would be out trapping for a few quid.

Tackleberrywho

johngalway wrote: »

I'll never understand why they won't introduce a bounty on mink. Money talks, even the pot hunters would be out trapping for a few quid.

A fiver a mink, and there would be no mink left

Dusty87

You'd have every pot hunter out out. I wouldnt agree with it on on foxes but with mink i would. They are paying lads to do it anyway

Terrier

Got my first mink of the season yesterday nice and angry!

I currently have 7 larsen traps (circular type) on the go for the last 2 weeks, averaging about 10-15 greys\mags a day, well over 150 birds in the club freezer already
One farmer who's yard is very public had asked me to remove the magpies, i have caught 33 in 6 days from his yard, he said one lad came to the house to inform him that some birds had got stuck in a feeder and could he go in and release them.. i won't repeat what the farmer told him to go do - stuck a chain and paddlock on it just to be safe!

cavan shooter

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone ever hear of a cat in a larsen?

I have caught my own cats in a larsen:D

Sparks

Most annoying thing about this is that ICABS is basicly, when you get down to the grit of it, four people who write letters every single week to every single newspaper in Ireland from the national broadsheets to the local free advertising paper.

We've got 200,000-odd people with firearms in Ireland and we can't match that.

And the end result is that they dictate national policy.

:mad:

Grizzly 45

Well, to be fair to them,maybe EIGHT people who write letters on a weekly basis.:D.But the point is 1000%valid.:(
60to80 head the balls get into the GP,and force an animal rights agenda on the Govt thru the GP,an unelected by the people minority party.We are 200,000 plus and are treated like somthing nasty on a politicans shoe sole.
Somthing very wrong here!!!

homerhop

We got to look at one major fact, these people have one goal and are united in that cause. We got 200,000 odd people and for the life of me we cant even agree enough set what ever differences there are and show for once in our lives a united front on an issue that effects us all. Just look at some of the recent posts in the shooting forum with the bitching and playground tantrums going on.

We are 200,000 odd strong can we not say to our clubs deligates look we are fed up of the bickering, you are our voice at county/national meetings, our sport and hobbies are being taken piece by piece and we are not happy by the lack of co operation between organisations.
Why isnt the NARGC who are one of the leading bodise for hunters not addressing the issue of ICAB?

Sparks

Being united isn't required homer. Seriously, we have 200,0000-odd people. I know we're fragmented (and frankly, think we should be*), but it's not so bad we can't find a group with more than eight people in it! The problem's not fragmentation, the problem's the 2% rule.



*Yes, we should be fragmented. We're a group of people who partake in various sports, who hunt and who use firearms for other purposes from vermin control to humane dispatch. Saying we should all be one united group with one voice on that basis is like saying the GAA, the FAI, Golf Ireland, Tennis Ireland and the IRFU should all merge to one body because they're all kinds of ball sports. It'd be daft.

Now, if you had a third-party body that did nothing but lobby for changes in ball-control legislation, you might have an idea; but every time someone says they're trying that, it turns out to be less of an attempt to better the community and more of an attempt to stroke their own egos by claiming they're in charge of the community (usually while doing their outright best not to listen to or interact with that community, and almost always while trying to paint it as an us-v-them prizefight for which your donations are required... even though they've no chance of winning such a fight).

homerhop

I am not saying we should be merged into one body, far from that. I understand that as different groups or styles of shooting with their own rules and regulations.
We have in one form or another elected people at AGM’s (my own personal view with one or two of them holding their place for far too long) .Have they become so akin to those in the Dail that they have lost all sense of what is happening on the ground? What is the point in bringing court case after court case against the government yet allowing an organisation fronted by a handful of people cut at the roots of our pastime?
Our representatives are seemingly educated fellows; they are there because they have the ability to express things in such a way that me as an ordinary fellow might use more colourful language. Jesus it’s not that hard to say look lads here is a problem I am allocating you you and you to deal with it. As a game keeper if you have a problem fox you try sort it, if it is lamp shy you use filter lenses, you use Larsen traps and if all comes to all you get a few lads to help out to sort it.
How many thousands do CA and the NARGC pull in a year on fees, far more I am sure than ICAB? What are their press officers doing? Each county in the NARGC has a public relations member why are they not responding to articles in local papers?
IF we as a group of people allow these people to have a free reign than we deserve everything we get. I will from now on post on boards any letter sent in to the local rag from ICAB or any other anti correspondence with a contact address so we can reply as individuals, I will also be forwarding it to my organisation representative and asking why it is not being replied to.