tb

whelan1

:mad: vet was out today with a sick calf... we where talking bout tb , he said its unreal at the minute one farmer had 10 reactors last week and he had had 5 in the test before, also said the amount of brucellosis in south armagh is crazy and cant understand how its not widespread down here. About an hour after he left the dept rang me to say a cow i had sent to factory last week had shown lesions:eek: We havent had tb for years . This was a cow i bought in along with 5 others from a major pedigree breeder, so now i am locked up until the results of the lesions come back, at least its not the spring time , when i would have a load of calves to sell

pakalasa

Sorry to heat that.....it's not your year, is it?

whelan1

they say when you're down even the birds **** on you :rolleyes:

snowman707

widespread in this area, .. one of the reasons we keep sheep


120 cow dairy herd gone also herds with up 60 reactors, numerous herds locked with under 10 reactors or like yourself lesions in the factory

we have been clear since 2001 but nearly always somebody adjoining us somewhere locked up

heard rumours that the vets are been monitored very closely now also

dar31

read test last week and was all clear. vet said he was very surprised, he thought we would go down, because of the amount of farms locked up in the area.
the dept are now inspecting vets twice in a year, usually they get inspected once in the year and then its all clear for them for the rest of the year, a good few have got caught out on the second inspection,
anything to justify the boys in suits keeping their jobs;)

Feargal as Luimneach

snowman707 wrote: »

widespread in this area, .. one of the reasons we keep sheep


120 cow dairy herd gone also herds with up 60 reactors, numerous herds locked with under 10 reactors or like yourself lesions in the factory

we have been clear since 2001 but nearly always somebody adjoining us somewhere locked up

heard rumours that the vets are been monitored very closely now also

Couple of vets in south east region have been suspended. Department vets were checking them thro' binoculars when they were reading the test the second day:eek:

LostCovey

dar31 wrote: »

a good few have got caught out on the second inspection,

dar31 wrote: »

anything to justify the boys in suits keeping their jobs;)

Hmmm. Maybe I am missing something here. Sounds like the suited ones might have a point perhaps?????

LostCovey

whelan1

i think its mad that the brucellosis regime has been slackened when it is bad just across the border.... god i hate to have to get a permit to sell cattle as our local dvo closed down and the nearest office is 20 miles away:mad:

pajero12

LostCovey wrote: »

Hmmm. Maybe I am missing something here. Sounds like the suited ones might have a point perhaps?????

LostCovey

And the point is??

LostCovey

pajero12 wrote: »

And the point is??

The point is that dar 31 implied that these second inspections are pointless layer of red tape to make work for "boys in suits".

While stating in the same paragraph that these same inspections had actually uncovered evidence of malpractice.

One statement contradicts the other. That's all.

Nighty night.

LostCovey

blue5000

Lost are you a boy in a suit by any chance?

Will have to test here too, a neighbour went down.

One reason given for rampant tb is all the roads being built is disturbing badgers habitat making them move fast and taking the tb all over the place.

whelan1

i have given up on lc at this stage.
vet was saying that the farm that has had the most reactors has badgers where the youngstock are yet none of these went down , it was in the cows that where miles from the badgers, he just doesnt understand it

BeeDI

whelan1 wrote: »

i have given up on lc at this stage.
vet was saying that the farm that has had the most reactors has badgers where the youngstock are yet none of these went down , it was in the cows that where miles from the badgers, he just doesnt understand it

It's simple really. The animals going down to TB, are just the ones bein filled up with snake oil, vitamins and minerals from bottles and buckets. Makes them soft. :D:D:D

vanderbadger

its hard to figure out TB, i had a cow that went down earlier this yesr, she was with the herd for 3 or 4 years and always passed and was housed with other cows all winter and everything else was clear, have had a clear test since and hopefully will clear the 2nd hurdle also which is coming up, she had lesions also so im hoping she hasnt passed it on, vet told me she likely had it for years but somehow they get thru test..

The_Conductor

Guys- if you disagree with what someone posts- refute it factually. Next person who personalises their post, and quite frankly I don't care who they are- will get a ban. This is the one and only warning on the matter.

Regards,

SMcCarrick

pakalasa

When are we going to get real with TB in this country. Badgers are well proven to be carriers of TB, yet we still drag our feet, year after year on the subject. It's only a matter of time before some new strain of the disease develops that will be deadly to humans.
Look what happened in the Siberian prisons;

"....Ex-prisoners, often with improperly treated TB that had mutated into the multidrug resistant form of the disease...."

from -
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=prison-plague-post-soviet-russia

The bottom line is that it is a nice little earner for Vets who, lets face it, have a stronger voice on the subject, than any farmers group. Add to that, animal rights groups, environmentalists,... and you're going nowhere.:mad:

whelan1

if we have to do a herd test at least we wont have to blood as we did that in the spring.....not looking forward to it though

LostCovey

pakalasa wrote: »

When are we going to get real with TB in this country. Badgers are well proven to be carriers of TB, yet we still drag our feet, year after year on the subject. It's only a matter of time before some new strain of the disease develops that will be deadly to humans.
Look what happened in the Siberian prisons;

"....Ex-prisoners, often with improperly treated TB that had mutated into the multidrug resistant form of the disease...."

from -
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=prison-plague-post-soviet-russia

The bottom line is that it is a nice little earner for Vets who, lets face it, have a stronger voice on the subject, than any farmers group. Add to that, animal rights groups, environmentalists,... and you're going nowhere.:mad:

I don't totally disagree with you Pakalasa (well apart from the mutation bit), but I don't see what can be done about the foot-dragging. It's called bovine TB / Mycobacterium bovis for a reason. Where did the badgers get it? When there were cattle in the Phoenix Park there was breakdown after breakdown with bovine TB. Apparently UCD found 20% of badgers were infected. The cattle were banned from the park (because of road traffic accidents I think). The badgers were surveyed again a few years later - 0% infected. So it seems they cleared the infection once there were no longer cattle to re-infect them.

Realistically what can be done about the badger part of the problem? Kill them all? Hardly likely to be acceptable is it?

Vaccinate them? Well, maybe, but then again, BCG vaccine (the one they are apparently going to try on badgers in Ireland) has a terrible track record in preventing human TB if there is a high level of challenge. Vaccinating badgers in an infected set where they will spend the winter with infected members of their family would seem to be exactly the circumstances where it will fail.

Cull badgers in the vicinity of breakdowns? Well Ok, but isn't that precisely what is done now? Around here anyway, they seem to cull the badgers when there is a big breakdown.

So I do not have a particular problem with recognising that badgers are part of the problem, but it's a bit trickier to sketch out what can be done about it.


LostCovey

LostCovey

blue5000 wrote: »

Lost are you a boy in a suit by any chance?

Since my confirmation, the only suit I have worn has been my birthday suit. I have polaroids, but whelan1 was the first to ask to see those, so you'll have to wait your turn blue5000 till I get them back from her.

I briefly worked in the civil service in the 1980s as a driver tester for the Dept of the Environment & Local Government in Churchtown, I never wore a suit though - in the words of Larry Gogan "it didn't suit me".

This suits me better.

Suits you sir?

LostCovey

Shauny2010

Smoke em out and be ready to give em the back of the shovel :pac::pac:

LostCovey

Shauny2010 wrote: »

Smoke em out and be ready to give em the back of the shovel :pac::pac:

That would deal with the civil servants and the vets alright.

LC

Shauny2010

Hadn't though of that, but that would be excellent use a shovel

leoch

i had heifers herd tested last oct and i will be selling these now in aug or sept will i have to test them again before i sell or just blood them

whelan1

should be ok for tb , what age are they do they need to be blooded

leoch

they are all over 18 mts wat is the blood test for

whelan1

brucellosis- the rules have changed used to be over 12 months - female- had to be tested not sure if its 18 or 24 months now

JohnBoy

Not wanting to get into the personalities side of this, but I agree with lostcovey's sentiments re the dept in this case.


Farmers do an awful lot of complaining about the department, but surely you couldnt have a clearer case of the department working in the farmer's interest?



How many on here would rather the vet do 110% effort in testing, as opposed to being falsely clear?

Jack C

It's all females over 18 mts that have to be brucellosis tested

dar31

females over 24 months unless they are going to be sold in the next 6 months then they need testing at 18 months

LostCovey

dar31 wrote: »

females over 24 months unless they are going to be sold in the next 6 months then they need testing at 18 months

Thanks dar31.

So leoch needs to test them if they are over 18months when he/she sells them?

Bit confused, like most people, about the new Brucellosis regulations.

LostCovey

whelan1

ye .... think bulls are ok til they are 24 months , best to ring your vet and ask

pakalasa

Here's official link;
http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/press/pressreleases/2009/september/title,34680,en.html

........."Minister Smith Announces Savings in the Region of €5 Million for Irish Farmers
Significant Changes in Brucellosis Testing Arrangements

The Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, Brendan Smith TD, today announced a series of significant changes to the Brucellosis Eradication Scheme, following the recent European Commission decision granting Ireland officially brucellosis-free status.

The changes announced by the Minister include

an increase in the age threshold for annual round testing to 24 months;
an increase in the validity period of the pre-movement test from 30 days to 60 days;
an increase in the age-limit for the pre-movement test for female animals from 12 to 18 months and, in view of the lower risk attached to their movement, to 24 months for bulls;
the pre-movement test "one sale" rule applying to female cattle aged 18 months or more is retained. However, as a result of the change in age threshold for bulls, the "one sale" rule for bulls is being increased from 12 to 24 months.
These changes to the brucellosis programme will be implemented with effect from 9th September 2009........"

whelan1

got a letter today that all restrictions have been lifted:D why couldnt they ring me ? letter dated 11/08/10

LostCovey

whelan1 wrote: »

got a letter today that all restrictions have been lifted:D why couldnt they ring me ? letter dated 11/08/10

Because if they rang you, you would be asking us why they wouldn't put it in writing.

LostCovey