tommy dreamer

littleman

Does anyone agree with me that tommy dreamer has more passion about wreslting than any other wrester and has one of the best mic skills around today,im just after watching impact and its proved to me that time and time again that dreamer is one of the best guys that knows how to work the crowd and puts his heart and soul into what he says bout what he's done in the past and in the present.

Gerard.C

He has always bored me, I cant stand Tommy dreamer. What has he actualy done? He got caned a few times, got a slap of a chair and ddt's Raven and he's the inovator of violence? He is yeah. To me he always has been and always will be the out of shape lad in the PPV t-shirt

gimmick

^ Exactly. His little speech on Impact last week was fecking horrible, cringe inducing rubbish which was meant to make us feel so something for Tommy.

He did more or less the same promo at Evolve a few months ago as well, so he has no doubt being doing it throughout the indies as well.

Yes Tommy, it is all for US, the FANS, and YOU are DOING it for US.

jaykhunter

Gerard.C wrote: »

He has always bored me, I cant stand Tommy dreamer. What has he actualy done? He got caned a few times, got a slap of a chair and ddt's Raven and he's the inovator of violence? He is yeah. To me he always has been and always will be the out of shape lad in the PPV t-shirt

Gosh Ger you really shat on Dreamer! I 100% agree though. I can't see his worth; I always considered him a unmarketable crap wrestler in the big leagues. I never cared for him.

Maybe you had to be emotionally invested into the Original ECW but for me, who wasn't, going back, i look at his opponents and see talent, not him though. That's a testament to Paul Heyman's booking!

That said, he had some great matches with Swagger in 2009 on WWECW. Swagger embarrassed him twice, once in a hardcore match.

The guy is very outwardly emotional; but I'd also say the same about Ric Flair; who's also always in pieces, and Bret, who's arguably the biggest mark in wrestling (LOL, I love Bret, but he is a huge mark). Triple H is also deeply passionate about wrestling. I'm sure a lot of guys are, so i wouldn't be quick to name one as it denigrates everyone else's passion!

Dreamer did cut a great/effective promo that really sold the TNA ECW PPV and whipped the crowd into a frenzy, really well done!

pdbhp

I like Tommy Dreamer but his speech on Impact last week was cringe city I was embarassed for him, they need to utilise him properly or his stint with TNA will suck monkey balls

Mr.Nice Guy

I would disagree with the sentiments expressed. Very harsh. I think he's a good example of a guy who, despite limited in-ring skills, made a career for himself through hard work and dedication. He's not going to be a main event guy for a big company but he's a solid hand.

Vince135792003

Less is more.

He's done the emotional interview routine before and the more times you hear it, the less sincere and effective it is.

That said, I thought his promo on TNA was fine. Not a complete home run but I can see some old ECW fans buying into what he said.

Gerard.C

jaykhunter wrote: »

Gosh Ger you really shat on Dreamer! I 100% agree though. I can't see his worth; I always considered him a unmarketable crap wrestler in the big leagues. I never cared for him.

Maybe you had to be emotionally invested into the Original ECW but for me, who wasn't, going back, i look at his opponents and see talent, not him though. That's a testament to Paul Heyman's booking!

That said, he had some great matches with Swagger in 2009 on WWECW. Swagger embarrassed him twice, once in a hardcore match.

The guy is very outwardly emotional; but I'd also say the same about Ric Flair; who's also always in pieces, and Bret, who's arguably the biggest mark in wrestling (LOL, I love Bret, but he is a huge mark). Triple H is also deeply passionate about wrestling. I'm sure a lot of guys are, so i wouldn't be quick to name one as it denigrates everyone else's passion!

Dreamer did cut a great/effective promo that really sold the TNA ECW PPV and whipped the crowd into a frenzy, really well done!

No less than he deserves, he is a complete waste of airtime. There is nothing good about him

Ridley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0lDiD5Se3Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsfGySha9uw

I thought they'd at least got past that whole knock WWE/promote another brand phase months ago but apparently not. Every day is Groundhog day in TNA!

EdK

Met Tommy in March not a huge fan of his but he's a nice guy, although for such an Extreme guy he's pretty good at turning on the waterworks, When I was watching him on iMPACT! you could see it coming

gimmick

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I would disagree with the sentiments expressed. Very harsh. I think he's a good example of a guy who, despite limited in-ring skills, made a career for himself through hard work and dedication. He's not going to be a main event guy for a big company but he's a solid hand.

Thats a very good point actually. He helped put over plenty people and was the workhorse of ECW.

I just think his emotional promos are tripe and makes him an automatic channel changer for me.

starviewadams

Jaysus Dixie would get one!

Dreamer's promo sounded so contrived and phony,but I'm sure the diehard EC dub fans will eat it up.

Butch Cassidy

Dreamer's highlight was constantly losing against Raven in ECW. Besides a few spots in ECW/extreme/hardcore crazy tornado tag matches I can't think of anything else he did worth mentioning.

Edit: his feud with Justin Credible/Terry Funk in 1998/1999 was good and he and Credible had a really good Ladder match at Guilty as Charged.

Rjd2

gimmick wrote: »

^ Exactly. His little speech on Impact last week was fecking horrible, cringe inducing rubbish which was meant to make us feel so something for Tommy.

He did more or less the same promo at Evolve a few months ago as well, so he has no doubt being doing it throughout the indies as well.

Yes Tommy, it is all for US, the FANS, and YOU are DOING it for US.

Nail. On. The. Head.

The highlight for me was...

Fan...."Vince sucks!"
Dreamer..."Exactly".


The same Vince who kept your fat arse on the roster for reasons that nobody knows. The same Vince who let go some really talented young lads but kept on a mediocre out of shape hack rated by few outside the internet? You should be glad of those lovely cheques, you got for losing on a regular basis. Someone like Richards who was always awesome wasn't as lucky though and he is right to feel slightly peeved at Vince. Dreamer?

You didn't have to leave you know! You were given the title by the big bad evil Vince. :pac:




Christ, their is no shame in loving ECW, but its 2010, seriously get the **** over it. :mad:

Anyways Powell blogged about the heroic Dreamer....

Don't Cry for Me Tommy Dreamer

I'm sorry I was unable to write this blog last night, but I've been an emotional wreck ever since the conclusion of Thursday's TNA Impact. Watching Tommy Dreamer fight back the tears while waxing nostalgic for his beloved Extreme Championship Wrestling left me a misty eyed mess.

No matter how many times I see Tommy shed tears for ECW, I never think to myself that this guy needs to get a grip and move on with his life, nor has the thought ever crossed my mind that he has some type estrogen level issue.

Sure, I may wonder what Jeff Jarrett thinks about Dreamer stepping on his turf as the emotional father of beautiful daughters, but maybe there's room for more than one babyface father who plays the sympathetic daddy card.

The thing that really keeps me up at night is how all those poor wrestlers who were hired when WWE relaunched the watered down version of ECW ended up losing their jobs. Yes, most of those broken down wrestlers were replaced by younger performers who possessed actual upside, but none of those guys partied with Tommy.

Thank goodness TNA is here to give the ECW crew one more moment of glory by pushing their own young talent aside for the night. Who says Dixie Carter is too nice to be a shrewd business person? After all, she's depriving many of her younger wrestlers paychecks when the reunion takes place on, um, well, whenever this reunion is taking place.

I saw some tears and heard a lot of chants for a name that's owned by the competition, but I never once heard anyone actually bother to mention when this big reunion is going down. I assume it's going to be on the August 8 pay-per-view, but I can't say I know for sure since everyone was too busy telling sob stories, telling Dixie how great she is, or plugging Twitter pages to mention something so trivial.

Tommy's speech was such an emotional moment that I'll bet Vince McMahon and Jerry McDevitt were too moved to send the cease and desist paperwork. I'm sure they were too busy wiping the tears from their own eyes to conjure up a legal plan to sue TNA and Spike TV for airing a pre-taped show that featured repeated mentions, fan chants, and even a fan sign for World Wrestling Entertainment's intellectual property.

Likewise, I imagine Paul Heyman was so moved that he now regrets making it clear that he wants nothing to do with another ECW reunion. Sure, innovation and long-term planning are great, but the right thing for TNA business is clearly to continue with their stroll down memory lane.

After all, it's worked so well with Hulk Hogan, Sting, The Wolfpac, The Nasty Boys, and all the attempts Vince Russo has made to retool his failed WCW booking ideas from the past. Speaking of Russo, we know he's burned out creatively, and Heyman is asking for a lot by saying he wants to be the Dana White of TNA.

Gee, I wonder if it's ever crossed Tommy's mind that he could use this ECW pay-per-view as his audition for the head booking job in TNA? Nah. Tommy told his new TNA co-workers that he wanted nothing to do with working in the office. Don't lose all hope because history shows that he has a strange way of being pulled into these sort of things seemingly against his will.

If only Tommy were interested in the job. I can't think of a better way for him to prove that he has what it takes to book a company in 2010 than to write a1998 themed nostalgia show. If Tommy could book one entertaining pay-per-view with characters he's been familiar with for over a decade, then that should be more than enough to convince Dixie to hand over the head creative job that Tommy's buddies seem to think he's inches away from getting.

Oh, and if the show is a train wreck, don't you dare blame Tommy since we all know most of those guys are past their prime.

Best of all, Tommy would work so much cheaper than Heyman. He'll play nice with Vince Russo, Hulk Hogan, and Eric Bischoff. He'll listen to Dixie's ideas and won't bother her with those pesky problems like branding, marketing, licensing deals, etc. that Heyman, Jim Ross, and countless others within the industry seem to think must be addressed in order for this company to succeed.

Come on. We all know none of those things really matter. The important thing is that TNA is still one big happy family! I don't know about you, but the thought of this family staying together makes me want to cry all over again. - prowrestling.net

paddyismaddy

Gerard.C wrote: »

He has always bored me, I cant stand Tommy dreamer. What has he actualy done? He got caned a few times, got a slap of a chair and ddt's Raven and he's the inovator of violence? He is yeah. To me he always has been and always will be the out of shape lad in the PPV t-shirt

he should retire and stay retired imo

jaykhunter

I'm honestly shocked at this thread. I thought everyone bloody loved Dreamer and me & my mates were the only ones to see him in the worthless category.

Rjd2

jaykhunter wrote: »

I'm honestly shocked at this thread. I thought everyone bloody loved Dreamer and me & my mates were the only ones to see him in the worthless category.

Nah the dude is a bitter worthless hack whose employment for so long should make Vince feel really stupid in hindsight.

Easily the most undeserving and pointless champion of Vince's ECW generation.

What makes it more galling is when you consider the genuine talents that Vince has squandered over the years.

**** of Tommy.

Still love many of the old ECW dudes though.

Jolt2007

It takes talent to be able to take 63 steps when "running" across the ring, and his promos? Nothing says extreme more than crying.

Machismo Fan

I'm more or less apathetic towards Dreamer. He falls into my meh category. I respect his passion and think he has a fair bit to offer behind the scenes but I don't really care.

JohnMc1

Gerard.C wrote: »

To me he always has been and always will be the out of shape lad in the PPV t-shirt

Didnt you just describe nearly the entire ECW roster? Except for RVD, Jerry Lynn and Taz they all wore T-shirts and Jeans and were out of shape even when they supposedly in their Primes.

Gerard.C

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Didnt you just describe nearly the entire ECW roster? Except for RVD, Jerry Lynn and Taz they all wore T-shirts and Jeans and were out of shape even when they supposedly in their Primes.

Ya but most of them had characters and personalities to go with that. Dreamer has neither. And it's always a bland PPV t-shirt, or a Raw or ECW one. What a larger than life superstar!

gimmick

All credit to Gers campaign.

In a match between Tommy Dreamer and "King" "Conor" "Hurley", what would your thoughts be?

gimmick has spoken.

CMpunked

Very few people I know can match the love for the old ecw that I hold.
This includes tommy dreamer.

But..

Tommy back in the day embodied ecw, but more specifically the fans of ecw.
He was emotionally passionate, as passionate as the ecw fans were.
He never gave up, much reflecting Paul Es never say die attitude to ecw.
He didn't care who thought what of him as long as he was respecting the fans.

He was, probably the most 'real' character you could get in a wrestler.

Jump forward to 2010..
Ecw, is gone.
The fans from the bingo hall don't congregate anymore. When ecw was acquired by vinny mac, no one expected it to be what it was in 98.
But I think maybe tommy did.


I wish that during his few years during the wwe that he realised that everyone who had mourned the passing of the original ecw, had come to terms and accepted it.

He coudve made the promo on impact so much more than just welling up and bad mouthing vince.

He couldve spoken about the brotherhood of the ecw wrestlers, the passion to entertain the fans because they are what made them known, instead of just going on about how he watched his friends lose their jobs.
Bad news Tom, a lot more people lost their jobs around that time.
I was really let down by the promo and what's worse is most of the putting down was actually done by Dixie, single-handedly.
She couldve made it clear that for one night they are re visiting the bingo hall, that maybe also that the tna talent who never got to experience the ecw phenomenon might get a feel of the level of love that fans have for ecw and thus, thinks about recreating that passion for tna.

She joked and said that what she was saying was 'real'? I think I wouldve rathered scripted.
Or, thought out. At least.

Fitzy101

Ive always been a fan of Dreamer, He had some great fueds back in ECW and imo is great on the mic, Not too bad in the ring either and puts his heart into everything he does.

Gerard.C

gimmick wrote: »

All credit to Gers campaign.

In a match between Tommy Dreamer and "King" "Conor" "Hurley", what would your thoughts be?

gimmick has spoken.

My thoughts would be on other things out of complete boredom!

But CMPunked, what did Dreamer ever do? You could say half the ECW roster was passionate. He was not the innovator of violence, why would he be? What is his legacy? He's made out to be this ECW icon. I dont think anybody actually ever cared about Dreamer in WWE, but they cared about the likes of Sabu, Sandman etc... when they came back, as they had made an impact in ECW and were somewhat entertaining. Dreamer has never done anything entertaining. The only things he is remembered for in ECW is getting caned by Sandman and getting a belt of a Chair. I dont think most fans could name 5 Tommy Dreamer matches. Just because he "puts his heart" into everything he does doesnt mean he's any good at it. It's like Blackpool (for example) in the premiership this year. I'm sure they will be passionate and put their heart and soul into every game. They're still going to get relegated and be forgotten about quickly. Nobody will every think of Tommy Dreamer when they think of ECW. Thats because he is useless and never did anything good. I cant stand him. And TNA are looking unbelieveably pathetic by pushing him in the manner that they are.

Now theres a rant for ye

Vince135792003

Gerard.C wrote: »

What is his legacy?

The guy who never left ECW when everybody else did. The guy that Heyman could rely on.

It might seem now like that means very little but in the late 1990s when Heyman was losing alot of key stars, it did mean something. Dependability, reliability and loyalty is his legacy.

gimmick

Was he ever given an oppurtunity to leave? Cannot imagine too many offers where there for him.

Gerard.C

Vince135792003 wrote: »

The guy who never left ECW when everybody else did. The guy that Heyman could rely on.

It might seem now like that means very little but in the late 1990s when Heyman was losing alot of key stars, it did mean something. Dependability, reliability and loyalty is his legacy.

I somehow doubt WCW and WWE were throwing money at Tommy Dreamer to jump over to them.

In fairness, that's a Legacy anyone could have. John down the street who sweeps the roads for a living could leave behind that exact legacy, yet nobody cheers him when he walks into a room, or asks him for an autograph and a photo. John down the streetis probably more entertaining than Tommy Dreamer, too

Vince135792003

Gerard.C wrote: »

I somehow doubt WCW and WWE were throwing money at Tommy Dreamer to jump over to them.

WCW had about 90 wrestlers at the time on contract, alot of them on 6 figures and alot of them rarely working. They signed everybody and while I have no proof I would imagine he got offers. Although in saying that 5 months after ECW ended he was in the WWF so that does suggest there was interest.

Paul Heyman had very few people he could rely on. He could rely on Dreamer in the ring and outside of it (he booked alot of the house shows.) To me, 9 years of that service has a value. It doesn't make him Hulk Hogan but it does deserve some credit.

CMpunked

I remember reading, and hearing on the rise and fall DVD that dreamer would get merchandise sold, would stay on the phones taking orders etc.

I'd say (and I too have no proof) that dreamer could have been approached more for his backstage and business talent rather than his in ring abilities.

Dreamer on his own might not have an overly impressive legacy, like the rocks or hogan, but when you remember te ecw legacy you remember a few unforgettable elements, Paul heyman, sabu, tommy dreamer, raven, rvd, sandman. He was part of the fabric that made up the ecw legacy and you can't take him out of it.

It's like part of undertakers legacy is Kane. Regardless of what you think of Kane, that's history now.
In short I agree that tommy hasn't a gold plated personal legacy but he has the ecw legacy behind him. When he came to wwe I think he should have left when he realised how all his other ecw buddies were dropped.
Instead of trying to keep it alive even though it was undoubtedly dead.
I don't think he would be so bitter about it these days.

Gerard.C

Vince135792003 wrote: »

WCW had about 90 wrestlers at the time on contract, alot of them on 6 figures and alot of them rarely working. They signed everybody and while I have no proof I would imagine he got offers. Although in saying that 5 months after ECW ended he was in the WWF so that does suggest there was interest.

Paul Heyman had very few people he could rely on. He could rely on Dreamer in the ring and outside of it (he booked alot of the house shows.) To me, 9 years of that service has a value. It doesn't make him Hulk Hogan but it does deserve some credit.

How long has Mark Henry been with WWE? He is of no value to them. Neither was Hardcore Holly, or Scotty 2 Hotty. There are people working backstage I would imagine that we havent even heard of that are much more important to wrestling than Tommy Dreamer ever has been or will be. It makes me cringe when he goes near a microphone. Who honestly cares what Tommy Dreamer thinks. He doesnt even look like a wrestler. The state of him trying to do that dropkick when it takes him 2 weeks to run across the ring. Crying in the impact zone over ECW and his friends getting fired. He should be glad some of them got pay days, when they cant even wrestle. And does he think they're getting full time contracts in TNA or what? And he should be very glad he had a job in WWE, instead of agreing with TNA fans saying Vince sucks. How am I supposed to take him serious? He's a joke, and whatever shred of a legacy he left behind him is vanishing with every promo he cuts in TNA.

michael.etc...

I'm going to throw my two cents in and say I'm not a fan of Dreamer either.
I always found that even in his prime, he was overhyped by the ECW fans, and delivered very little. Sure, he could take an impressive beating, but I was never err.. sold on his selling. It was supposedly one of his strength's, but I found it average at best. He never made me care- either character wise, or through his actual wrestling.
I've also never been convinced by all the talk that he's a "great mind". I certainly don't get that impression from a guy who has essentially cut the same promo for a decade, and has worked unimaginative angles in countless Indies.

To say he was/is worthless, is harsh though. He could hold his own well in certain circumstances, and was part of a few memorable matches. In a short space of time, he became part of a memorably hot angle, and at the very least, always had a good grasp of his character. Nowadays, he should be nowhere near a ring, nor would I have him anywhere near a book. But he has a wealth of experience in terms of contacts, and office work, and it's unfair to suggest he couldn't be a solid source of relations in that department.

Wolfe Tone

I never saw the old ecw outside of the rise and fall dvd. The impression I got was not a good one.

I have never liked dreamer. My fondest memory of him in WWE is Khali smashing him.

Gerard.C

michael.etc... wrote: »

I'm going to throw my two cents in and say I'm not a fan of Dreamer either.
I always found that even in his prime, he was overhyped by the ECW fans, and delivered very little. Sure, he could take an impressive beating, but I was never err.. sold on his selling. It was supposedly one of his strength's, but I found it average at best. He never made me care- either character wise, or through his actual wrestling.
I've also never been convinced by all the talk that he's a "great mind". I certainly don't get that impression from a guy who has essentially cut the same promo for a decade, and has worked unimaginative angles in countless Indies.

To say he was/is worthless, is harsh though. He could hold his own well in certain circumstances, and was part of a few memorable matches. In a short space of time, he became part of a memorably hot angle, and at the very least, always had a good grasp of his character. Nowadays, he should be nowhere near a ring, nor would I have him anywhere near a book. But he has a wealth of experience in terms of contacts, and office work, and it's unfair to suggest he couldn't be a solid source of relations in that department.

I agree with most of this, but I really dont think he was a part of any memorable matches. I certainly dont have any Tommy Dreamer matches springing to mind.

And what character does he have? He is not the innovator of violence, he just isnt.

Vince135792003

Gerard.C wrote: »

How long has Mark Henry been with WWE? He is of no value to them. Neither was Hardcore Holly, or Scotty 2 Hotty. There are people working backstage I would imagine that we havent even heard of that are much more important to wrestling than Tommy Dreamer ever has been or will be. It makes me cringe when he goes near a microphone. Who honestly cares what Tommy Dreamer thinks. He doesnt even look like a wrestler. The state of him trying to do that dropkick when it takes him 2 weeks to run across the ring. Crying in the impact zone over ECW and his friends getting fired. He should be glad some of them got pay days, when they cant even wrestle. And does he think they're getting full time contracts in TNA or what? And he should be very glad he had a job in WWE, instead of agreing with TNA fans saying Vince sucks. How am I supposed to take him serious? He's a joke, and whatever shred of a legacy he left behind him is vanishing with every promo he cuts in TNA.

Comparing a veterans value in a stable company like WWE in Mark Henry (who had a very long term valuable contract) to a veteran in a volatile, constantly in flux promotion in ECW is not comparing like with like.

Again I'm no big Tommy Dreamer fan but he had a value in the old ECW from everything I've read and seen.

michael.etc...

Gerard.C wrote: »

I agree with most of this, but I really dont think he was a part of any memorable matches. I certainly dont have any Tommy Dreamer matches springing to mind.

And what character does he have? He is not the innovator of violence, he just isnt.

I kinda meant he was good at playing his role in certain feuds in ECW- kind of a reformed jock who had nothing especially going for him other than his willingness to sacrifice himself. Not a cartoon gimmick, or even obvious, but it really worked in his rivalries with Sandman and Raven.

I enjoyed some of his bouts with Raven. He also had shockingly watchable ladder match with Justin Credible. Amazingly, I vaguely remember likely his final ECW ppv match with CW Anderson.... of all people! But in general, he was definitely better in the tag fueds of the day.

Even in the WWE- where he probably arrived a year too late, he offered the odd interesting hardcore match.

Still, I'm not a fan, as his weak points tend to be all the things I enjoy about wrestling, but I definitely think he's worthy of some respect because he was able to make a name for himself, and was genuinely beloved at one point.

Gerard.C

Tommy Dreamer didnt make a name for himself, Paul Heyman made it and for reasons I'll never know Vince McMahon brought it to a much bigger scale. I really, really dont think he is worthy of my respect. He really hasnt done anything. Imagin sitting downa nd watching a Best of Tommy Dreamer DVD. Imagine the effort it would take to stay awake. The state of him

Rjd2

Gerard.C wrote: »

Imagin sitting downa nd watching a Best of Tommy Dreamer DVD. Imagine the effort it would take to stay awake. The state of him

It would be him crying about how the legacy of ECW was ruined by the big bad evil Vince and how he the heroic noble inspirational underdog was just in the business for the fans. :pac:

Nauseating stuff certainly but probably more tolerable than his matches. :pac:

Butch Cassidy

Gerard.C wrote: »

How long has Mark Henry been with WWE?

He first signed in 1996, made his PPV debut at SummerSlam 96 and immediately entered into a storyline with Jerry Lawler and had his debut match at the following month's In Your House Mind Games PPV and yes, his debut match was every bit as bad as just about every other match he's been in since!



Does anyone remember Tommy Dreamer on RAW in 2002? Eating dirty hot dogs off the ground and drinking pissy toilet water? Awful stuff.... still though, I recommend checking out some of his ECW matches, the stairway to hell at Guilty as Charged 99 specifically and maybe the I Quit at Guilty as Charged 2001 and any of his matches with Raven

callaway92

CMpunked wrote: »

Very few people I know can match the love for the old ecw that I hold.
This includes tommy dreamer.

But..

Tommy back in the day embodied ecw, but more specifically the fans of ecw.
He was emotionally passionate, as passionate as the ecw fans were.
He never gave up, much reflecting Paul Es never say die attitude to ecw.
He didn't care who thought what of him as long as he was respecting the fans.

He was, probably the most 'real' character you could get in a wrestler.

Jump forward to 2010..
Ecw, is gone.
The fans from the bingo hall don't congregate anymore. When ecw was acquired by vinny mac, no one expected it to be what it was in 98.
But I think maybe tommy did.


I wish that during his few years during the wwe that he realised that everyone who had mourned the passing of the original ecw, had come to terms and accepted it.

He coudve made the promo on impact so much more than just welling up and bad mouthing vince.

He couldve spoken about the brotherhood of the ecw wrestlers, the passion to entertain the fans because they are what made them known, instead of just going on about how he watched his friends lose their jobs.
Bad news Tom, a lot more people lost their jobs around that time.
I was really let down by the promo and what's worse is most of the putting down was actually done by Dixie, single-handedly.
She couldve made it clear that for one night they are re visiting the bingo hall, that maybe also that the tna talent who never got to experience the ecw phenomenon might get a feel of the level of love that fans have for ecw and thus, thinks about recreating that passion for tna.

She joked and said that what she was saying was 'real'? I think I wouldve rathered scripted.
Or, thought out. At least.

but you were only like 8 when the old ECW was on?!?!?!?!?! BSSSSSSSSSS IMOnjfinjfifififififififififififibs

Super-Rush

Can someone tell me why Tommy Dreamer is now wrestling in tights? Did Vince have image rights on his jeans?

CMpunked

callaway92 wrote: »

but you were only like 8 when the old ECW was on?!?!?!?!?! BSSSSSSSSSS IMOnjfinjfifififififififififififibs

Yep. It was the beautiful thing of having a step brother who is bout 9 years older than me that introduced me to wrestling.

Shame he doesnt care much, if at all, for it these days.

Penn

Dreamers promos so far on TNA have been ridiculous. You'd swear Vince had hired all the old ECW guys to dress up as the Teletubbies and have tickle fights, then fired them all one by one by stapling their P45s to their kids heads.

Vince brought back ECW and One Night Stand for the same reasons TNA
are now. And yes, Vince's ECW eventually evolved into something different, a breeding ground for new talent and veterans to mix. But all this stuff about their legacy and what ECW really meant... Jesus Christ...

Yes, most of the ECW guys were eventually fired. But its not like Vince was laughing maniacally while doing it. He fired them because they either weren't drawing enough, weren't performing well enough, or for other reasons. Yet someone like Tommy Dreamer, who stayed there for about 4 years in the new ECW, an even got a title reign, is now bitching about how they were treated? How was he treated? Because he seemed to have been treated pretty well.

They talk about legacy, and doing it for the fans. They did it for the fans, back at One Night Stand. Vince's ECW was NEVER going to be the same as the original. It may have had the same name, but what's in a name

Dreamer needs to calm down and just play it like they just want to get the ECW vibe back for themselves as well as for the fans, and not because Vince McSatan ruined their lives and made them cry

Diabhal Beag

I hate Tommy Dreamer. Crying in promos only makes you look like a complete pussy. Impossible to confuse being a pussy with having passion IMO. He is a decent wrestler but the crying is just so over-the-top.

Terry

Ok, Dreamer never set the world of wrestling alight, but he did put plenty of young wrestlers over. The ECW fans loved him.

The way I see this PPV is that it's giving the ECW originals (can I say that, or will Vince sue me? ) a final farewell. Something that Vince really didn't do.
This gives younger fans the chance to see what ECW was like, and will help Dreamer and co. draw crowds on the indie circuit.

The focus may be centred on Dreamer, but you also have Rhino, Foley (who will probably never be out of work), Raven (loved his gimmick and mic work, but he's looking too much like Scott Hall these days), the sadly under-rated Stevie Richards and several others who will no doubt be pulled out of the bag. Sandman, Sabu etc.

Yes, the promo was a bit much, but if the PPV helps draw younger people to the indies with Dreamer and co. on the bill, it will be a boon for younger performers. It will help the young guys get some notice, and that is a good thing for the whole industry.

The younger fans deserve better than having to put up with Cena and Rey Mysterio (I don't think I'll ever see the appeal) every week. Then you have The Legacy, the Hart Dynasty, The Usos (all talented in their own right) being pushed ahead of younger wrestlers.

Celebrating past glory is never a bad thing. You only have to look at Jay Lethal and Flair to see that. Lethal is getting a great push out of this. Remember that because of the nature of the industry, new talent is always needed because of the short working life span of the average wrestler.


Or it could be a complete flop.

flahavaj

Terry wrote: »

Ok, Dreamer never set the world of wrestling alight, but he did put plenty of young wrestlers over. The ECW fans loved him.

The way I see this PPV is that it's giving the ECW originals (can I say that, or will Vince sue me? ) a final farewell. Something that Vince really didn't do.
This gives younger fans the chance to see what ECW was like, and will help Dreamer and co. draw crowds on the indie circuit.

The focus may be centred on Dreamer, but you also have Rhino, Foley (who will probably never be out of work), Raven (loved his gimmick and mic work, but he's looking too much like Scott Hall these days), the sadly under-rated Stevie Richards and several others who will no doubt be pulled out of the bag. Sandman, Sabu etc.

Yes, the promo was a bit much, but if the PPV helps draw younger people to the indies with Dreamer and co. on the bill, it will be a boon for younger performers. It will help the young guys get some notice, and that is a good thing for the whole industry.

The younger fans deserve better than having to put up with Cena and Rey Mysterio (I don't think I'll ever see the appeal) every week. Then you have The Legacy, the Hart Dynasty, The Usos (all talented in their own right) being pushed ahead of younger wrestlers.

Celebrating past glory is never a bad thing. You only have to look at Jay Lethal and Flair to see that. Lethal is getting a great push out of this. Remember that because of the nature of the industry, new talent is always needed because of the short working life span of the average wrestler.


Or it could be a complete flop.

How many final farewells do these guys need?

We had the last PPV of the original ECW.

We had One Night Stand. And One Night Stand II. And WWF's version of ECW on TV.

We had Hardcore Homecoming.

We had Dreamer's last match on WWF TV.

And now we have TNA's farewell.

Jesus Christ for a guy who likes saying goodbye so much, Dreamer really really doesn't want to just f*ck right off does he?

YAWN tbh.

Rjd2

Yeah but this time its different Fla, this time Fla

ITS FOR THE FANS!

Terry

flahavaj wrote: »

How many final farewells do these guys need?

7

Butch Cassidy

callaway92 wrote: »

but you were only like 8 when the old ECW was on?!?!?!?!?! BSSSSSSSSSS IMOnjfinjfifififififififififififibs

I got an ECW video in around 2000. It was 1999's Guilty as Charged event and it was bloody rappid! I loved it back then when I was still a teen. Then after ECW went under some crowd called Delta Music released loads of DVDs and I got them too and loved it - this was before the WWE's ECW DVD and the ECW reunions.


That said though the rhetoric about Dreamer is a bit old at this stage and after the WWE send off/burial I'm done with ECW basically.

super-rush wrote: »

Can someone tell me why Tommy Dreamer is now wrestling in tights? Did Vince have image rights on his jeans?

He first wrestled in tights and a slip thingy....

Then he switched to the pyajamas/tracksuit bottoms with ECW t-shirt. Then his WWE RAW garb was some awful looking jeans that looked like the knaff jeans from the 90s. He never had good ring clothes or a good look.

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Dreamers promos so far on TNA have been ridiculous. You'd swear Vince had hired all the old ECW guys to dress up as the Teletubbies and have tickle fights, then fired them all one by one by stapling their P45s to their kids heads.

Vince brought back ECW and One Night Stand for the same reasons TNA
are now. And yes, Vince's ECW eventually evolved into something different, a breeding ground for new talent and veterans to mix. But all this stuff about their legacy and what ECW really meant... Jesus Christ...

Yes, most of the ECW guys were eventually fired. But its not like Vince was laughing maniacally while doing it. He fired them because they either weren't drawing enough, weren't performing well enough, or for other reasons. Yet someone like Tommy Dreamer, who stayed there for about 4 years in the new ECW, an even got a title reign, is now bitching about how they were treated? How was he treated? Because he seemed to have been treated pretty well.

They talk about legacy, and doing it for the fans. They did it for the fans, back at One Night Stand. Vince's ECW was NEVER going to be the same as the original. It may have had the same name, but what's in a name

Dreamer needs to calm down and just play it like they just want to get the ECW vibe back for themselves as well as for the fans, and not because Vince McSatan ruined their lives and made them cry

For what it's worth i contend Rob Van Dam was underused in 2001-2006 and then his cup of coffee with the WWE title was depressing considering how quickly they dumped him. It's doubtful they would've kept the strap on him much longer anyways I suppose but RVD to me was main event stuff. A Steve Austin/RVD could've been great - about the one thing I agree with Scott Levy on.