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What party should be in government after the next general election?

  • 22-07-2010 08:19PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭


    Fianna Fail
    Fine Gael
    Labour


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    DH2K9 wrote: »
    Fianna Fail
    Fine Gael
    Labour

    None of the above :o

    and that doesn't mean the leftie nutjobs, the shinners or the yellows.

    And please let no one mention the new music party.

    We need a benevolent dictator.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,583 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Politics forum tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    At the moment, a combination of FG & Labour is the best of a bad lot.

    Maybe they'll sow the seeds for growth like they did last time around, and maybe we'll have learned not to be greedy or put up with corruption.

    All that said, I'd love to see a completely new, ethical party wipe the boards with all of the current shower.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Head The Wall


    I think the last line is fairly attainable.



    Just leave out the word ethical, that's all thats needed. It won't happen otherwise


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,085 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    Fact is FG will be there the largest party but wont gain a majority Labour will the junior coalition party and as much as i hate to say it FF will not be wiped out like some people think. The same as Labour, who will not gain as many seats as the polls suggest as they quite simply do not have the resources or activists to translate these opionion polls into actual real votes.


    /waits for labourites to tell me i'm wrong and there great, loads of policies and tales of how Eamon Gilmore destroyed chuck norris in an arm wrestling match


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭ANXIOUS


    Finna fail/minority party


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Ren2k7


    TBH, i don't think it'll matter who gets into power as they will continue the policies of the present administration. Michael noonen of fine gael admitted as much recently with regards nama, recapitalisation of the banks, and cuts in spending. In fact the opposition parties are probably delighted that fianna fail are the ones making the tough decisions now with enda and pat taking over in 2012.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    I think the last line is fairly attainable.

    Who had you in mind ? Will there be a brand-new party available in time for the next election ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭doctorwu


    The I M F.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Head The Wall


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Who had you in mind ? Will there be a brand-new party available in time for the next election ?
    Sorry, I left out the sarcastic rolleyes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,612 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I still reckon Devore would do a better job on his own than the current Dail and Seanad put together. Himself and the lads have built this site into one of Ireland's largest with limited resources and through harnessing the willingness of people to volunteer their time for a peceived increase in status. How bad a job could they do at running the country?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,457 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Fact is FG will be there the largest party but wont gain a majority Labour will the junior coalition party and as much as i hate to say it FF will not be wiped out like some people think. The same as Labour, who will not gain as many seats as the polls suggest as they quite simply do not have the resources or activists to translate these opionion polls into actual real votes.

    I agree with you can Labour not doing as well as the polls suggest. Still not sure about FG being the largest party though. Maybe if Enda had lost the leadership challenge they would have become the largest party but not with him as leader. FG have been handed the best opportunity possible to become the largest party in the country, allbeit through FF incompetence and not their own brilliance, but they are doing their best to screw it up. First they split the party with a leadership challenge (which was 100% correct, we can have Enda as Taoiseach) and now the O'Flynn fund raiser thing. They will have to cop themselves on if they want to be top dog.
    Ren2k7 wrote: »
    TBH, i don't think it'll matter who gets into power as they will continue the policies of the present administration. Michael noonen of fine gael admitted as much recently with regards nama, recapitalisation of the banks, and cuts in spending. In fact the opposition parties are probably delighted that fianna fail are the ones making the tough decisions now with enda and pat taking over in 2012.

    I think your right about not much changing. The decisions being taken now, be they right or wrong, are for the long road and whoever is in government next will have to stick with them regardless of whether they agree with them or not. I think thats FFs only saving grace, Lenny knows what he is doing and seems to be doing a good job of it (internationally we have received a lot of praise for our handling of the crisis so far) so maybe we should just let him at it seeing as we will have to continue with those policies anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭CerebralCortex


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    At the moment, a combination of FG & Labour is the best of a bad lot.

    Maybe they'll sow the seeds for growth like they did last time around, and maybe we'll have learned not to be greedy or put up with corruption.

    All that said, I'd love to see a completely new, ethical party wipe the boards with all of the current shower.
    I think the last line is fairly attainable.

    Just leave out the word ethical, that's all thats needed. It won't happen otherwise

    For an ethical government you need an ethical electorate. Have we got one? I don't think so. FG & Labour unfortunately seem to be the only choice, but I won't be voting for FG, I come from FG stock and I know first hand what they're like!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭doolox


    It looks as if FG and Labour and others will be the only way to form a government big enough to beat FF , Greens and Sinn Fein.

    FG have already committed to not forming a coalition with SF so that rules out SF being in the running with an anti-FF coalition.

    Ideally it would be great if FG could get rid of Enda but that won't happen now in time to form a credible alternative with a new leader to fight the election in 2012. It would also be great if a form of equal partnership with Labour sharing the taoiseachs post for 2 1/2 years and FG having it for the other 2 1/2 years of the next government so that more Labour oriented policies could be implemented or at least given a fair trial.

    Whoever is in power will have a very hard time getting us out of the mess we are in and moving towards some sort of sanity and stability in the future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Sleepy wrote: »
    I still reckon Devore would do a better job on his own than the current Dail and Seanad put together. Himself and the lads have built this site into one of Ireland's largest with limited resources and through harnessing the willingness of people to volunteer their time for a peceived increase in status. How bad a job could they do at running the country?

    Yeah but didn't they sell out to a property realted entity ?
    So beware vested interests...
    BTW I think it is the people that post that makes the site not the mods nor even the owners.

    Of course credit is due to the sys admins who keep thinks running often on limited resources.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Head The Wall


    People have to want to provide the platform for us to speak though. Be that good or bad Engrish :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Anyone but Fianna Fail is the answer to the OP's question.

    This country has been run for fifteen years in a way that those who are friends of FF get listened to, be they developers, builders, union leaders, etc. The spoils of government were handed out - benchmarking, increases in the minimum wage, lower capital gains tax, property tax relief on hotels, apartments in ballygoanywhere, tax relief for buying paintings and owning horses.

    Any other party coming in would have to run the country differently, and from where I am standing, differently can only mean better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,780 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    At the moment, a combination of FG & Labour is the best of a bad lot.

    Maybe they'll sow the seeds for growth like they did last time around, and maybe we'll have learned not to be greedy or put up with corruption.

    All that said, I'd love to see a completely new, ethical party wipe the boards with all of the current shower.

    politics and ethics = oxymoron

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 149 ✭✭fearbainne


    I'm guna throw this out there, and this maybe the stupidest thing yas ever heard...

    but is it true that Gilmore was once a Communist?!! :O


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,555 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    DH2K9 wrote: »
    Fianna Fail
    Fine Gael
    Labour
    None of the above, vote Piraty party - the party that actually stands for something and sticks to it!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 959 ✭✭✭changes


    Westminster... we are a failed state and incapable of governing ourselves ;)

    Failing that ABFF (Anyone But Fianna Fail)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    fearbainne wrote: »
    I'm guna throw this out there, and this maybe the stupidest thing yas ever heard...

    but is it true that Gilmore was once a Communist?!! :O

    Yep

    He defends Labour history against old and not-so-old attacks about communism (just last month, junior minister Martin Mansergh cited the fact that Gilmore was a member in the 1980s of the Workers’ Party, who were "fraternal mendicants of the Soviet and North Korean communist parties").

    Says Gilmore: "Anybody who stuck their head over the parapet, going right back over the years – Larkin, Connolly, Noel Browne, Jim Kemmy – the first attack on them always was that they were a communist, some kind of a red, they were dangerous and the world would change as we know it.

    "And to some extent, that is still the first line of attack that comes from Fianna Fáil. Now, that had a lot more traction at a time when it was possible to combine that with a denunciation from the pulpit or whatever. It had an ability to frighten people. I don’t think that applies anymore; I think people are much more open to the ideas that the Labour Party has."

    But he’s also careful to say that the Labour Party itself, too, has changed

    Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfcwkfqlmhmh/rss2/#ixzz0utRCqYNN

    well sort of;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭scr123


    Normally I would say a FF government from 2012 but as the Greens have been so brave I believe they should be in ahead of other small parties.
    The most important thing is the present government serves its full term before the hand over to the bitterly divided FG party and the hopelessly inadequate Labour party.
    Then again, once the election campaign starts in 2012 FF will be back to 35% in the polls and three weeks of warnings to the public about the potential disaster of FG/Lab should ensure FF will be back to continue the economic progress this country has made under their stewardship


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    scr123 wrote: »
    Normally I would say a FF government from 2012 but as the Greens have been so brave I believe they should be in ahead of other small parties.
    The most important thing is the present government serves its full term before the hand over to the bitterly divided FG party and the hopelessly inadequate Labour party.
    Then again, once the election campaign starts in 2012 FF will be back to 35% in the polls and three weeks of warnings to the public about the potential disaster of FG/Lab should ensure FF will be back to continue the economic progress this country has made under their stewardship

    rofl, brilliant stuff, I will be keeping an eye out for you young man....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 959 ✭✭✭changes


    the greens are far to sore on the pocket... they will be in big trouble in 2012


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭stopusingoil


    How about, instead of continuing to convince ourselves that government works, we boycott the elections, overthrow the government, and start living off the land?

    Just an idea :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    changes wrote: »
    the greens are far to sore on the pocket... they will be in big trouble in 2012

    I can only see one TD being returned from the greens as things stand..... trevor...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 149 ✭✭fearbainne


    Cheers for that meditraitor!!

    Ah now in fairness, the Greens are poor.. I was listenin 2 that Eamonn Ryan fella chattin the last day at the McGill Summer School and he talks some rot, he made one comment about Donegal and was nearly booed of stage..

    Its guna be a tough election to call in my opin but id like to see a change from FF so im guna say Fine Gael..

    Just for a bita craic!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14 tommolloy


    Should be Fianna Fail majority or FF/Inds but of course that ain't gonna happen...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    tommolloy wrote: »
    Should be Fianna Fail majority or FF/Inds but of course that ain't gonna happen...

    May I ask why you think FF should be ?


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