SAW 3D... and beyond?

filmfan

I'm relieved they're finally ending the Saw franchise. The first one was actually quite interesting but after that things got progressively worse until it was just pointless gore on a shoe string of a script

More info here http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=68163

krudler

Horray! I liked the first one, it was the first genuinely fresh American horror movie in ages, then it just turned into a parody of itself, I think 4 was the last one I saw and I cant even remember what its about.

filmfan

We watched all of them, the last one (was it 4?) was really awful, if they can't think up decent scripts and are only relying on new ways of pointlessly butchering people it needs to end. We'll have to watch the last one now since it's the final installment but our expectations will be set at rock bottom:)

candy-gal1

Agree with that! The first and second one were quite good, had an actual storyline, and were scary! The last one, out last year I think just seemed pointless, same as the rest, and evened ended the same imho.
The 3D one should be cool, but think il wait for dvd tbh, all that stuff flying out of the screen would freak me a little lol

Magic Eight Ball

filmfan wrote: »

they're finally ending the Saw franchise.

filmfan

Magic Eight Ball wrote: »

Haha that's exactly how I feel!

johnny_ultimate

This franchise should have died long ago.

I for some reason doubt this will be the end though. They'll take a two year break, then announce 'Jigsaw Returns! In 4D!' in which the audience themselves will be stuck in a giant bear trap and have 90 minutes to escape before they are subjected to a Saw 1-7 marathon. In 3D.

filmfan

Or they'll be a jigsaw crossover like Alien V Predator......

The Collector looks like he wants the crown for new creepy pointless torture character, another pointless movie

St._Andalou

Yes, not a moment too soon.

Mickeroo

This is great news. Those movies were terrible from the get go.

BlitzKrieg

St._Andalou wrote: »

Yes, not a moment too soon.

more like six movies too late (or was it seven?)

Magic Eight Ball

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I for some reason doubt this will be the end though.

Friday the 13th Part 4: The Final Chapter!

jaykhunter

Wow, there sure are a lot of people with negative comments in this thread. SAW wasn't a book, TV show or comic beforehand so nobody has any "fanboy" ties to it. Eh, nobody's forcing you to watch any of those films. If you don't like the films then the franchise means nothing to you, so why not leave it to those who do enjoy it? Boo to schadenfreude.

I think that although they're not at the standard of the 1st (none of them are); they've plateaued at a level I think is worth a watch; and obviously lots of other people too. You know what to expect in a SAW film - lots of gore, traps and a moral story putting it all together. And you get what you'd expect. Who cares if they make 20 of them? It doesn't affect you in any way. Like, I don't care how many seasons or films of sex in the city there are because other people like them and it doesn't affect me.

I doubt anyone loved the first one so much that it pains them to see them make a franchise of it. Horror films becoming franchises is not a new phenomenon either - Halloween, Hellraiser, Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, The Exorcist, Leprechaun.....

Anyway, traps and gore in 3D could be really fun to watch, I'll give it a watch.

One more thing........






......see you for the SAW Reboot in 2013! :pac::pac:

Otis Driftwood

jaykhunter wrote: »

I doubt anyone loved the first one so much that it pains them to see them make a franchise of it. Horror films becoming franchises is not a new phenomenon either - Halloween, Hellraiser, Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, The Exorcist, Leprechaun.....

With the exception of Halloween,all the above franchises have somewhat of a supernatural undercurrent.

Elm St - kills you in your dreams
Hellraiser - opens the gates of hell
FT13th - Jason continually being re-animated
Exorcist - demonic possession
Leprechaun - its about a fookin Leprecaun

With any supernatural element then there is a level of belief suspension on the viewers behalf but with Saw,the movies take themselves so fuppin serious it pains me.

Even the stupidest American teenager couldnt possibly swallow that a man so riddled with cancer he can barely walk or a former junkie could build insanely intricate traps.Or that Jigsaw could find out all the intimate details about his victims lives.

Im all for gore for the sake of gore,if thats what the movie sets itself out to be but trying to force feed this shyte and tacking on a "moral" message is frankly retarded.

When this franchise dies a death it will make me happy.

jaykhunter

So you can suspend you belief for all those other horror film premises but not SAW? And so that's worth bashing? Maybe others can suspend their belief for more horror films than just the supernatural.

I don't watch Jason films, I can't suspend my disbelief with how he keeps coming back to life, and his unstoppable nature. I don't empathise with him or the douchebag American teens that he kills. So I don't watch them, I personally don't see the point. But I don't bash them - other people enjoy them.

Those points are just nit-picking. Do they matter or would it improve the films? I could suggest answers to them but what's the point?

With a moral story, at least SAW's trying to put out a narrative and some kind of message to take away, it's striving to be better instead of just making a pointless torture-a-douchebag horror film.

Bottom line, schadenfreude is an ugly trait. If you've nothing good to say, why say it?

Hank_Jones

There were actually six Saw movies? Jesus....

I remember seeing the first two alright, but you can smell a crappy franchise from miles away, so I steered clear after that.

johnny_ultimate

jaykhunter wrote: »

So you can suspend you belief for all those other horror film premises but not SAW? And so that's worth bashing? Maybe others can suspend their belief for more horror films than just the supernatural.

I don't watch Jason films, I can't suspend my disbelief with how he keeps coming back to life, and his unstoppable nature. I don't empathise with him or the douchebag American teens that he kills. So I don't watch them, I personally don't see the point. But I don't bash them - other people enjoy them.

Those points are just nit-picking. Do they matter or would it improve the films? I could suggest answers to them but what's the point?

With a moral story, at least SAW's trying to put out a narrative and some kind of message to take away, it's striving to be better instead of just making a pointless torture-a-douchebag horror film.

Bottom line, schadenfreude is an ugly trait. If you've nothing good to say, why say it?

My dislike of the Saw films isn't something I'd consider overly bitter or meanspirited. It's just down to a basic objection of what the series now stands for.

Don't get me wrong, the first film was pretty decent. It wasn't great, but it had an interesting idea - as you say, a 'moral' killer - and the whole 'two guys trapped in a room' concept worked fairly well. It was a solid watch. The first two sequels weren't anywhere near as good, but probably got away with the novelty factor too.

I watched until IV, and that's when I lost any sort of interest in the franchise. The story had become so complicated it was silly, insisting upon increasingly convoluted twists and efforts to keep the antagonist alive (a significant problem when

he was pretty much dead from part two onwards

). The moral killer thing was barely a concern anymore - it was just about coming up with more gruesome ways to kill people. The novel idea couldn't disguise these flaws. Plus, the direction particularly irritated me - overly busy, fast cut edits and painfully overwrought visuals that at worst made it feel like you were watching a Rammstein video with ADHD.

I haven't seen the latest two, but from what I hear, they're worse if anything. IV was a genuinely awful film IMO. There was no one to empathise with at all, and the story nigh on impossible to care about. Trying to churn out a sequel every year didn't give the makers the chance to make a fresh, thought out sequel that may have captured the moderate fun of the first!

I'm sure there are many who like the franchise, as you say, not denying that for a second. But for me, it summed up most of what is wrong with Hollywood - generic, mean-spirited (as the franchise went on, it became increasingly about making the traps as violent as possible) rubbish thrown out as fast as they could make the things. For that reason, I'm glad something else will get the chance to occupy the now vacant cinema screens in October.

Otis Driftwood

jaykhunter wrote: »

So you can suspend you belief for all those other horror film premises but not SAW? And so that's worth bashing? Maybe others can suspend their belief for more horror films than just the supernatural.

I don't watch Jason films, I can't suspend my disbelief with how he keeps coming back to life, and his unstoppable nature. I don't empathise with him or the douchebag American teens that he kills. So I don't watch them, I personally don't see the point. But I don't bash them - other people enjoy them.
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Suspension of belief is easy when the story is implausible and invariably the movies have a certain humour about them.
The Saw series takes itself altogether too serious and like J_U mentions above,they have resorted to preposterous plot twists.

jaykhunter wrote: »

With a moral story, at least SAW's trying to put out a narrative and some kind of message to take away, it's striving to be better instead of just making a pointless torture-a-douchebag horror film.
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Ah now come on Ted,the Saw sequels are the archetype for pointless torture a douchebag horror films and to say anything other than that is just silly.

jaykhunter wrote: »

Bottom line, schadenfreude is an ugly trait. If you've nothing good to say, why say it?

So because I or anyone else dont like these movies we shouldnt comment on them?
Jeez this would be one boring ass forum if that was implemented.

filmfan

I like a good moan sometimes:) Good to air all our views and have a laugh about it!

jaykhunter

from this site

Jigaw’s cinematic reign of terror may not conclude with Saw 3D (shocking), as it seems the writers behind the series have an ‘unbelievable’ idea for Saw 8.


The Saw horror movie series is truly desperate to hold on to the title of “Franchise That Is Harder To Kill Than A Terminator,” isn’t it?

It seems that the seventh entry in the franchise, Saw 3D, may not be the last movie that concerns the wacky adventures of Jigsaw and his master plan – which, at this point, is so ludicrously complicated that it makes the schematics of the psychological heist in Inception or the plot of Lost seem like child’s play in comparison.

Moviegoers have taken the “this will be the last one!” promises from the writers of Saw 3D and even Lionsgate executives with, well, a bucket of salt up to now. But money talks in Hollywood and the Saw movies are – if nothing else – excellent proof of that.
Actress Betsy Russell (Jigaw’s ex-wife Jill in the films) is the first one to acknowledge that Saw 8 could happen. She even manages to appear genuinely enthused about the idea, as you’ll note in the quote below:

“Before we thought it was ending [with Saw 3D], the writers came up with an unbelievable idea [for Saw 8]. It’s an amazing story that I would love to see… We want to end near the top, with our integrity in tact and not letting the characters die a slow death, so to speak. But I believe in my heart that someday, somehow, [Saw 8] will happen.”

Russell apparently said all this while keeping a straight face – Daniel Day-Lewis, eat your heart out.


Insert your 'Saw 8' joke of choice here.

What might the plot of Saw 8 entail then? Could the latest Saw victims be trapped in a space shuttle that is orbiting the earth? Maybe a group of scientists will clone Jigsaw, but inadvertently give him bear traps for hands and thus set him off on a new quest for revenge. The possibilities are endless!

The release date for Saw 3D was pushed back a week so that it would not compete with Paranormal Activity 2 on its opening weekend. Those that love gory horror violence, do us all a favor and pass on seeing it anyway, cool?

Saw 3D arrives in regular and, yes, 3D theaters in the U.S. on October 29th, 2010.

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Enjoy your slow death, SAW haters! :pac::pac::p

storm2811

Oh god,the first 3 were good,then the original creators said that was enough and quit but nooo,someone just had to keep going.

Liamario

Saw the first one and that was enough for me. My perception of the endless sequels is that it's the equivalent of The Simpsons, what once had integrity is being milked to death. And then they try and milk the corpse

Hank_Jones

Only ever saw the first two.

The first one was pretty good, but then again it had Cary Elwes and Danny Glover.

The second one was fairly woeful, so I lost interest after that. I quickly lose interest in anything that is an ongoing franchise of fairly low quality film making.

There hasn't been a really good franchise for a while now.
Think I'll go watch my Back to the Future box set.

Mike Litoris

Yeah, the first was a really good flik imo. 2 was fukkin terrible...didn't bother with the rest. Lol 8!!:D

Valmont

There was an episode of Two and a Half Men that had a scene set in a movie theatre of the future. They very slyly had a poster in the background saying "Saw 14":D or some other ridiculously high number.

Renn

That show is on a different level.

filmfan

How could they lie to us and get our hopes up that this year's Saw was the last one???:eek::)

Zero-Cool

Myself and gf love this series, we always try to see it opening night since the 1st Saw. Ya, it's kinda gone downhill and the last few havn't been the best but I as long as Saw movies are being made, we r gonna go! Not really interested in the whole 3d thing tho, but will just have to wait and see.

Otis Driftwood

“Before we thought it was ending [with Saw 3D], the writers came up with an unbelievable idea [for Saw 8]. It’s an amazing story that I would love to see… We want to end near the top, with our integrity in tact and not letting the characters die a slow death, so to speak. But I believe in my heart that someday, somehow, [Saw 8] will happen.”

CAZ85

DEADLY!! i love Saw

ShooterSF

Sweet. Love Saw. I try and do a marathon before new ones to refresh the story in my mind.

Karl Hungus

storm2811 wrote: »

Oh god,the first 3 were good,then the original creators said that was enough and quit but nooo,someone just had to keep going.

Actually, the original creators had absolutely nothing to do with any of the sequels. James Wan and Leigh Whannell were only involved in the first, and had no input into any of the sequels at all.

Largely the same thing that happened with the Nightmare on Elm Street films, the first was brilliant and was a massive hit, then the studio churned out a serious of horribly garbage sequels (bar #3, which was quite good) without Wes Craven's involvement, up until he did The New Nightmare.

storm2811

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Actually, the original creators had absolutely nothing to do with any of the sequels. James Wan and Leigh Whannell were only involved in the first, and had no input into any of the sequels at all.

Largely the same thing that happened with the Nightmare on Elm Street films, the first was brilliant and was a massive hit, then the studio churned out a serious of horribly garbage sequels (bar #3, which was quite good) without Wes Craven's involvement, up until he did The New Nightmare.

Really? I thought I read an interview somewhere where they said they had a few more in mind but didn't want to take it too far,it was ages ago though so I suppose things would have changed alright.
I used to be a huge SAW fan but when 4 came out I knew it was going downhill.

me-skywalker

Ah I have to admit its a guilty pleasure. Its like being caught reading OK! magazine just to gawk at the picutres ;-)

Its so funy and the story is just hialrious how the keep managing to use stock footage from the first 2 or 3 in the latest films and claim its a new film haha

chin_grin

http://snarkerati.com/movie-news/there-may-be-a-saw-8-after-all/

snarkerati.com wrote:

August 6th, 2010 - Written by Dave Parrack
There May Be A ‘Saw 8′ After All
Saw Franchise

Just two weeks after I applauded the decision to end the Saw franchise, I have some bad news: Saw 3D may not be the last film in the series after all. If the upcoming film is a success then it appears Saw VIII is a possibility.

That is, at least, according to actress Betsy Russell who told PopWrap:

“Before we thought it was ending [with ‘Saw 7′], the writers came up with an unbelievable idea [for ‘Saw 8′]. It’s an amazing story that I would love to see. Saw 8 might not be that far off! We want to end near the top, with our integrity in tact and not letting the characters die a slow death, so to speak. But I believe in my heart that someday, somehow, [’Saw 8′] will happen.”

Russell has since insisted this was just her view as a fan rather than as a part of the series. And that the decision whether Saw VIII ever gets made or not isn’t likely to be up to her. Fair enough, but I now can’t shake the feeling that this will inevitably happen.

I love the Saw films but they’ve been going downhill since Saw II. And seven films is surely enough of any franchise. I think I’ll stick to watching the first two films, which are worth repeated viewing, and ignore any more films they may or may not decide to release.

jaykhunter

chin; probably better to post in this thread instead http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055991878

I don't know, it's not like the SAW makers are holding back some amazing horror thriller that would be made in SAW's absence. I guess i wouldn't have a problem as much about the SAW bashing if it weren't the "Praise God it's finally over!" schadenfreude mentality. Sure I don't like Twilight at all but if others do, good for them, I just don't want to watch it. Make 20 of them, sure how does it bother me. I just won't watch it. Is there an amazing Vamp flick that's being overlooked because of it? No. Actually there's probably more being made because of Twilight. Much like the resurgence of the horror genre over the last 5-7 years.

Would the SAW makers come up with a better film if given two years and not one? Probably not; but that's all speculation so it's not really a point. The whole

'Jigsaw is dead'

deal would still be there. Although that is getting really silly. How many flashbacks can you do :pac::pac::pac: (7 apparently lol). I'd imagine these films are very quick to shoot; it's the script/trap layout that takes the most time. I doubt double the time would yield much better a script.

I dunno, I think of the SAW films as slightly more than just torture-porn; but it definitely is the main thrust of the film. Torture, traps, held together by a morality tale. The standard of the film series has decreased but to a standard a lot of people are more than happy with.

And slagging something off "because it would be boring if we didn't" is a pretty crap excuse to be mean-spirited. Feel free to go nuts in an "I hate SAW Official Thread".

Anyway my current state of mind is more saying "It's not to my taste at all" rather than "it's fukking sh!t and I hate it"

johnny_ultimate

Threads merged and what not.

jaykhunter

LOL @ the thread title

johnny_ultimate

jaykhunter wrote: »

LOL @ the thread title

I would have embedded the Twilight Zone theme to play everytime the thread was opened if I could have.

jaykhunter

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I would have embedded the Twilight Zone theme to play everytime the thread was opened if I could have.

perhaps some rendition of the theme tune to "The NeverEnding Story" :pac: