I've read it all now.

marlin vs

What's the law on doing this here? i'd class a grey squirrell the same as a rat.:rolleyes:
Link

It wasn't me!

To be fair, drowning is not a quick death. It is somewhat crueller than alternatives such as an unhealthy dose of blunt force trauma.

Rovi

We certainly have laws here that cover 'animal cruelty', so something similar wouldn't be out of the question.
It would all depend on the particular circumstances, I suppose.

bunny shooter

IMO this is not a humane way to kill anything.

This is where an air rifle/pistol would come into it's own and the laws here on such should be relaxed for this very reason if no other

Genghiz Cohen

Carbon Monoxide? Like from the exhaust of your car?
Wouldn't that put the little so&so's to sleep then suffocate them without pain?

johngalway

I don't agree with drowning. Especially with mink as they're semi aquatic and I have been told it takes quite a while for them to expire.

Air rifle, kill trap or into a bag and shotgun. As long as it's quick and clean.

kildare.17hmr

true he could have killed it quicker but i think the fine was OTT

natdog

He didnt seem to have a firearm and even if he did to discharge it in his garden could also have been ilegal i think this lad probably tought what he was doing was right. im not saying he was right but what where his options.The laws are a mess in britain and here just look at seasons they have put on pigeon,magpie etc..

Genghiz Cohen

natdog wrote: »

The laws are a mess in britain and here just look at seasons they have put on pigeon,magpie etc..

Magpie seasons?

Sparks

natdog wrote: »

what where his options

Knife, brick, shovel... I reckon if you can think of three (free) options inside of four seconds (I did think "vet" as well, but putting rodents down that way is bloody expensive) then the "he had no options" argument loses some validity and you really do have to consider whether or not he was on the level with his claims that he was just trying to humanely dispatch the rodent.

marlin vs

Well if you bring the dirty little xxxxer to the vet you can get done for that as well.Are they gone totally mad.

('I would not recommend taking the animals to the vet to be put down as we have had advice that transporting animals to vets can cause unnecessary suffering and would therefore not be in keeping with the act.)

natdog

Sparks wrote: »

Knife, brick, shovel... I reckon if you can think of three (free) options inside of four seconds (I did think "vet" as well, but putting rodents down that way is bloody expensive) then the "he had no options" argument loses some validity and you really do have to consider whether or not he was on the level with his claims that he was just trying to humanely dispatch the rodent.

All the above are a bit bloody would you not agree some people just havent got it in them I personally would have went with one of your options but as i said its not for everyone

natdog

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Magpie seasons?

check out the post on the 15/07/10 in hunting section about shooting crows all info in it

Sparks

natdog wrote: »

All the above are a bit bloody would you not agree some people just havent got it in them I personally would have went with one of your options but as i said its not for everyone

Maybe not, but if you can't bring yourself to kill it, what the hell are you doing trapping it in the first place?

johngalway

First thing you should think of when trapping an animal is not the trap, but how you quickly and humanely kill it. Then think about everything else.

landkeeper

the world has gone mad over annimal cruelty( now drowning anything is awful)
a local near me had a lorry pinched from his premisis rang the guards they never even bothered to visit him nothing done as far as he was concerned
a week or so later he gets a knock on the door and was met by a guard and three department vets asking about a lame horse on his land
same as the lad with the squirrel , knock over an old lady and steal her handbag you might get some community service , drown a squirrel and you get a couple of grand fine :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Rovi

Joe Barry article in this week's Farming Independent based on this incident:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67268701&postcount=176

Tackleberrywho

Rovi wrote: »

Joe Barry article in this week's Farming Independent based on this incident:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67268701&postcount=176

I think I will go to the local farmer and see has his cabbage trees sprouted yet, and have the animals who died of old age been eaten yet?:D:D

Scary that article, because its true

The further people get away from the land; they will develop Marie Antoinette syndrome " the people have no bread; then let them eat cake"

Sparks

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

The further people get away from the land; they will develop Marie Antoinette syndrome " the people have no bread; then let them eat cake"

Not actually said by Marie Antoinette, but by a French princess (rather than an Austrian queen) about a hundred years earlier...

Just sayin'...

Tackleberrywho

Sparks wrote: »

Not actually said by Marie Antoinette, but by a French princess (rather than an Austrian queen) about a hundred years earlier...

Just sayin'...

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story Sparks :D:D:D

Point being folk not in touch with reality regards Country living

CJhaughey

Thats some crazy stuff there, I can see the RSPCA losing a lot of credibility over that case.
I stick rats in a live trap in a white polypropylene sack and run the exhaust into it for 5 mins or so.
Works every time.
Drowning isn't a great death but if the eradication of grey squirrels means a £70 euro trip to the vet then I can't see them being eradicated any time soon.
Some people may not have a car or be physically able to shake a squirrel into a sack and batter it.
What do they do then?
You could say that they shouldn't be trapping them but then how do you get rid of greys?

kfod

Hi all, I know this thread is a month old, but I was reading through it (did a search for "rats") and it fits with a problem I have.

I have a hen run which backs onto a ditch. The ditch has become full of rats in the last while, and the rats are always in and around the hen run, easy source of food I guess. I was thinking of using a live trap to catch them, (I can't figure out how a kill trap could be used when other animals are around, any ideas?)

And then I was going to drown them in a barrel of water. I thought it would be most humane. If it is not humane then any suggestions of what is? I can't see anything other than a gun shot as being more effective (and I don't have a gun). Surely gassing is the same "level" of humane-ness as drowning?

So ya, until I get a shotgun how do I dispatch any live rats I may catch.

Thanks.

It wasn't me!

kfod wrote: »

Hi all, I know this thread is a month old, but I was reading through it (did a search for "rats") and it fits with a problem I have.

I have a hen run which backs onto a ditch. The ditch has become full of rats in the last while, and the rats are always in and around the hen run, easy source of food I guess. I was thinking of using a live trap to catch them, (I can't figure out how a kill trap could be used when other animals are around, any ideas?)

And then I was going to drown them in a barrel of water. I thought it would be most humane. If it is not humane then any suggestions of what is? I can't see anything other than a gun shot as being more effective (and I don't have a gun). Surely gassing is the same "level" of humane-ness as drowning?

So ya, until I get a shotgun how do I dispatch any live rats I may catch.

Thanks.

You can use baited killing traps inside a tunnel (made of pipe or wood) to prevent unintended species accessing it, but for dispatching rats in a live trap, empty into a sack and either gas with carbon monoxide or kill with a club or shovel. Works best if you can get them in a thick sack one at a time, pin down so the head can be easily located and give it a very solid crack with the blunt object of your choice. Yes, it will be messy, but messy is fine as long as it's effective.

kfod

thanks for the reply it wasnt me.

If I go the gassing route do I use a plastic fertilizer bag or a woven type coal bag, just thinking about the gas. it would pass through the coal bag but not the fertilizer bag. Which one is best?

thanks

johngalway

kfod wrote: »

thanks for the reply it wasnt me.

If I go the gassing route do I use a plastic fertilizer bag or a woven type coal bag, just thinking about the gas. it would pass through the coal bag but not the fertilizer bag. Which one is best?

thanks

If it's awkward to use a car in that situation, you could always use a smaller engine, like off a brush cutter or chainsaw.

CJhaughey

I find the coal type sacks good. The best results I have had is to stick the whole trap into the sack and run the engine first thing in the morning.
Petrol engines run a lot richer first thing and this seems to make a big difference to how fast the rats die.
Make sure the seal from the pipe to the sack is good, don't just hang the sack loosely over the pipe use a bit of twine to tie it tightly the exhaust will still escape through the weave of the sack.

Justashotgun

Years ago, my auld Da used to keep racing pigeons, there was some scub land near his shed and he ended up having abit of a problem with Mr Ratty. simple solution, got a live trap made and also bought a we jack russell dog. Got the animal used to chasing the released rats then it got the interest to go and find them on the scrub land. It didnt erradicate the problem completely, but it did reduce it to a manageable level.

kfod

my mother has a jack russel that is a pretty good ratter, so I could give that a try also. I'd want to keep the hens in though because I'd say she would go for them to.
Thanks for all the suggestions.

dCorbus

Way hey! This is now the Shooting, Hunting, Drowning, and Poisoning Forum!:D:D:D;)

But seriously, first off, this issue has little or nothing to do with hunting IMO and even less to do with shooting. Not being squeemish or anything loike, but seriously, lads, the suggestions of poisoning, gassing, chainsawing, clubbing, etc. (particularly from mods and some others) have surprised me.

Just to clarify, before the onslaught commences, I'm not in any way anti-hunting or vermin-control, but to post suggestions and methods for gassing, poisoning, etc. of vermin on the main Shooting forum astounds me. If anything this topic would be better suited to the Hunting forum - but even there I cannot see how recommended methods for gassing vermin constitutes an appropriate topic in a hunting forum.

Maybe it's just me - but this really really gives a great impression to the wider world of our interests and proclivities as shooters & hunters.:rolleyes:

Sorry, about this - Commence Fire! (I know / realise I'm going to bring down a mountain of hurt upon myself for this post!:eek:)

Sparks

Fair point - Anyone got a suggestion as to where this thread ought to go? Farming maybe?

Tackleberrywho

Sparks wrote: »

Fair point - Anyone got a suggestion as to where this thread ought to go? Farming maybe?

Well The best advice on Vermin control often comes from Hunters.
I know lads who shoot rats at a grain yard for a farmer all the time.

I'm not a fan of clubbing,drowning, or posioning.

However 12gauge does the trick with a number 7 or 8

jap gt

drowning a squirrel hasnt much to do with farming either, it was covered in animal welfare and wildlife forums, poisoning isnt best talked about in hunting as it has no part to play in any hunting and has nothing to do with shooting, i suggest the bin

Cass

However rhetorical its not often you get to "back seat mod" .

While pest/vermin control is a part of hunting life the methods involved are obviously different to gasing, etc. Doesn't really belong in farming & forestry/animal & pet issues, etc.

If the question has been answered why not close the thread.

dCorbus

Hunting forum maybe.

Is there a Vermin Control forum?:D

Squirrel Drowning forum anyone?
Chipmunk Gassing sub-forum perhaps?

:rolleyes:

But would seem to be best suited to here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=109, i would have thought myself as vermin control, sustainable farm management and husbandry, etc would all be suited to that forum IMO.

Sparks

dCorbus wrote: »

Chipmunk Gassing sub-forum perhaps?

I initially read that as chipmunk glassing and was thinking you weren't that short...

Anyway, OP answered, so closing the thread and moving it to the chipmunk glassing hunting forum for archival.