Moderation feedback

uberwolf

I want to open the floor to some feedback on the moderating style and forum direction. Timely as there is likely to be a substantial change in the moderating team over the coming weeks (per my sticky)

I've moderated this forum since day one. When it was started, it was near enough the time that irishcycling.com closed their forums. I wanted to replace those, provide a home for the MTBers, and provide a discussion home for cycling enthusiasts whilst also providing a spot for other boardsies to pop in, get some advice and disappear again.

Times have changed

So what do you like, what don't you like, what would you like to see more of?

at1withmyself

Is it possible to tidy up the cycling wiki sticky? It should really just be a single post with the links to everything in the wiki. This might help to reduce the same questions coming up all the time?

uberwolf

at1withmyself wrote: »

Is it possible to tidy up the cycling wiki sticky? It should really just be a single post with the links to everything in the wiki. This might help to reduce the same questions coming up all the time?

it certainly would be a good idea. It is open to the floor though, anyone can edit it. It would be a great idea to gather the knowledge together. And to make it easy to navigate.

Caroline_ie

I like the forum as it is mainly because I’m able to follow easily as practically live on my computer, apart when I am on the bike.

I could see new people finding it easier to read if we were to separate the main page into Road, MTB, Commuting, Gear&Mechanics sub forums but I wouldn’t see the point in separating it in more sub forums. It wouldn't look as 'dynamic'. It is a fast paced forum and I think it’s great that way.

I guess the whole point in redesigning the cycling forum is to make it more inviting to new people: so I am guessing Sub-forums could be a solution.

No complaints at all about the moderating here from my point of view, but the one thing I'd like to see more of is when there are events (like the saturday spins and whatnot) for the titles to be amended to show when people are meeting and whatnot.

I've been against sub-forums before as I think it would break up the dynamic of the main forum I think, but I think that for the smaller topics (like touring) it could really help boost the numbers viewing/contributing. So not sure what really there is to do with this.

Something that's not really mod relevant but just needs someone to organise it, last year there were a lot more Boards spins, but the numbers of them seem to have dropped off this year. Possibly due to club involvement or that people want to go around at a quick pace in a good group, which is of course fair enough, but I think even there were a lot more introductory spins before.

But no complaints at all, this is still the first forum I check on boards.

RobFowl

I've no complaints about the moderation here.

Maybe a few cosmetic changes like one sub forum for "which bike" as it's been done to death...
In fact you could even add planet x as the answer then close it permanently :rolleyes:

My only worry about here is the tendency for group attacks on individual posters. Some invite it but it doesn't look good and I fear it puts some people off posting. I'm involved in another niche forum where one or two posters have made 70% of members afraid or reluctant to offer opinions due to fear of being shot down repeatedly. Does happen here too much but I prefer not to see it at all.

RobFowl

niceonetom

As a rule the quality of moderation has been excellent here - rarely more than a light touch here or there, and only when necessary.

I'm still against the sub-forum idea. I think a melting pot approach fosters more conversation between posters who might not interact if they were ghettoized into MTB or Road specific forums.

I agree that it's a pity that the boards spin has all but died, but it's really up to individual posters to start those threads, and lead those spins. Most of the old guard who were the quorum of the boards spin have moved on to racing, or touring, or just prefer to do more focused training solo (for all their charm and conversation the boards spin was never ideal training for anything other than gentle sportive riding). I do think that there is always a nascent need for those spins though, and if you start those threads people will come, and week by week momentum will build as people get to know each other. It's not a mod issue though.

Beasty

I think the moderation is generally fine, but this is one of the largest forums on boards, and I think it would benefit from having additional active participants involved in the moderation.

At present it seems to me that Lumen is picking up the vast majority of the moderating duties, and it would be better to have another couple of people who are regularly involved in the forum sharing the burden.

A couple of additional points:

I think there is a tendency for some threads to be very repetitive, or alternatively go way off-topic - although fine in small doses I think some threads do get derailed and should either be closed or warnings to get back on track could be given

There have been a number of cases of trolling in the forum - it seems to me this is generally accepted almost as part and parcel of the forum, and it does seem to raise the temperature in some threads. I think more use of the yellow/red cards and banning powers in such situations will discourage such posts and help keep the forum running more smoothly.

SubLuminal

Top quality modding so far, never had any complaints.

I'd suggest a subforum for events? Like the photography board.

Maybe somehow we could do more group buys too, there's a lot of us, we could band together more etc perhaps?

So far so good though, 3 thumbs up from me.

TinyExplosions

I think the moderating is pretty spot on -it's very rarely noticeable, which in my view is the sign of top notch moderating -kudos must also go out to Lumen who's doing a sterling job imv.

I agree with the thoughts that a couple more regulars on here could be made mod, just to ease the load on Lumen and the others (who are mostly mods of multiple foraa)

Maybe an idea would be to have various 'tags' on the topics, kind of like adverts, so you could easily filter by mechanics, touring, mtb, race reports etc, or just see all of them a la how it is now (if that makes sense)

As for spins and stuff, I think it's not a mod issue, but more of a posters one... and speaking of that, I may be resurrecting the Saturday Spin in the near future -watch this space!

In regard to trolls etc, and people 'ganging up', I think that that's part and parcel of message boards, and if anything is exacerbated by the fact that a lot of posters know each other offline, so there's lots of history and in jokes etc -I don't think there's much that can be done about it, and honestly, the ribbing of members tends only to be against posters who are more than capable of holding their own (like slideshowbob and mockler007 to name a couple of recent 'heated' conversations) -and there's always the 'report post' button if someone feels they are being unfairly picked on.

Having said that, I do think it's still one of the most approachable boards on the old internets

A seperate area for events would be handy though, to help advertise spins/sportives etc and keep em in one place (but done using tags as suggested above)

Gavin

Moderation is excellent, particularly Lumen has a nice style, able to deal with old and new folks with humour and fairly. Locking threads/banning people (except one person) should be very very rarely used imo.

I don't read all the threads like I used too, there is an awful lot of road racing/professional racing discussion. Which is fair enough, that's just the way the forum has drifted as people have gotten involved in racing. I'm starting to lean more towards a racing subforum for discussion of local races/professional racing, both road/mtb/cyclocross. It would clean up the main forum quite a bit and people who are interested in the racing will still visit the subforum.

The other main thing that could be done is to expand the wiki article on buying a new bike, even just links to all the various threads about 'which bike'. It's getting annoying seeing the same thread nearly every day. I know this isn't a mod specific thing, anyone can edit the wiki.

The forum is getting busier and busier, just the one main forum is growing overloaded with threads getting knocked off the first page in hours. A bit of organisation will have to be done at some point.

-Chris-

I also think the moderation is excellent, very light-touch and very effective.

There's nothing I'd really change in the forum, I think sub-fora would maybe make the place seem less busy, but I'm not sure if that would be a good thing. Thread tagging is probably a better idea.

I think there's a fair bit of repeated discussion (as there is everywhere on boards), specifically the "what bike for €1,000" question. I like the way the Photography forum handles it - no one gets help unless they've read the "how to buy a camera" sticky (although obviously not done that militantly ).

DirkVoodoo

Very happy with the moderation, I think all the comments above echo my own sentiments.

As for sub-forums, while I'm not a fan of them I think that if people want them then maybe we could at least give them a trial?

Agree that the wiki probably needs some spring-cleaning and hopefully future helmet style threads can simply be ended with a "read the entry in the wiki". I know this is the way it's meant to work, but it doesn't. As much as I enjoy having a debate (or tame argument), it doesn't do any favours for the image of the forum to see a host of threads descend into bickering.

And we don't even seem to be getting a race out of any of them (rule change!).

Would also like to see more saturday spins, but like Tom said if you want one, start a thread and see who turns up. Mentioning routes and difficulty or timing requirements is handy.

I don't want to get all soppy, but this is a great forum and I've made some good friends here. If it weren't for you guys I would never have bought a bike. Keep up the good work!

Lumen

Just to be clear, I don't do most of the moderating here, I do most of the public moderating, but am both lazy and vengeful when it comes to handling reported posts.

Daymobrew and Uberwolf toil away patiently in the background, which may not be obvious from the public activity.

TinyExplosions

Lumen wrote: »

Just to be clear, I don't do most of the moderating here, I do most of the public moderating, but am both lazy and vengeful when it comes to handling reported posts.

Daymobrew and Uberwolf toil away patiently in the background, which may not be obvious from the public activity.

You being paid to say that because you're in the same club as Niceonetom?

-sorry, couldn't resist, and I do want to say that my comments weren't meant to indicate the other mods don't do anything!

Junior

There's moderators here ? I never knew !

Raam

I'd like to see less tolerance given to bickering and trolling. Neither serves any purpose. Pointless arguments about "one should always wear a helmet" or "cyclists never obey the ROTR" or "Lance did (allegedly) /did not dope" should should be knocked on the head.

The ROTR ones are particularly pointless. No one wins, nothing new is ever discussed. Leave the ROTR for the melting pot which is after hours. Such debates bring nothing to this forum apart from disharmony and a breeding ground for undesirables.

I despair to see people engaging with obviously inflammatory posters. Just ignore them and they will go away. There is no need for me to point out who such posters are. They do a good job of making themselves known on their own.

Doping discussions are fine, but when they inevitably morph into cancer lover/hater debates, they loose all momentum and meaning. Just because you think Lance is Jesus, doesn't mean the rest of us do.

That's all for now. I'll get on to the sometimes abhorrent abuse of the images of beauty thread after I've had a few beers.

I like our mods, the good job they do and I hope they all stay. I do think we need one or two more public figures.

ROK ON

I like two sub-forums that we have. I don't see what the issue most people have with them is.

I would add several more (1) Events, (2) How to buy a bike.
The fact that too many subforums can clutter the first page is easily solved by just showing a subforum banner that has a drop down menu.

I like the way everyone loves the mods. Personally I think they are power crazed nazis.
;-)

TinyExplosions

And ROK ON has godwinned the thread to death :eek:

copacetic

Raam wrote: »

I'd like to see less tolerance given to bickering and trolling. Neither serves any purpose. Pointless arguments about "one should always wear a helmet" or "cyclists never obey the ROTR" or "Lance did (allegedly) /did not dope" should should be knocked on the head.

The ROTR ones are particularly pointless. No one wins, nothing new is ever discussed. Leave the ROTR for the melting pot which is after hours. Such debates bring nothing to this forum apart from disharmony and a breeding ground for undesirables.

I despair to see people engaging with obviously inflammatory posters. Just ignore them and they will go away. There is no need for me to point out who such posters are. They do a good job of making themselves known on their own.

Doping discussions are fine, but when they inevitably morph into cancer lover/hater debates, they loose all momentum and meaning. Just because you think Lance is Jesus, doesn't mean the rest of us do.

That's all for now. I'll get on to the sometimes abhorrent abuse of the images of beauty thread after I've had a few beers.

I like our mods, the good job they do and I hope they all stay. I do think we need one or two more public figures.

I'd agree with most of this. My other sometimes minor issue is the way newbies can be treated by the 'clique' of regular posters as it were. There is often the assumption of trolling or unhelpful replies to their queries. Maybe the charter could be firmed up about treating every query with good grace and just reporting posts if you have a problem. It's a minor enough thing though and in general imo the moderation is excellent.

DirkVoodoo

copacetic wrote: »

I'd agree with most of this. My other sometimes minor issue is the way newbies can be treated by the 'clique' of regular posters as it were. There is often the assumption of trolling or unhelpful replies to their queries. Maybe the charter could be firmed up about treating every query with good grace and just reporting posts if you have a problem. It's a minor enough thing though and in general imo the moderation is excellent.

I think most of the "new bike" or "recommend..." threads are treated in an extremely friendly and helpful manner. Aside from the odd euro joke I'm not sure I agree that many of the posts fall under the "clique" header. If you could quote some examples it might help as I may be misreading your post.

copacetic

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

I think most of the "new bike" or "recommend..." threads are treated in an extremely friendly and helpful manner. Aside from the odd euro joke I'm not sure I agree that many of the posts fall under the "clique" header. If you could quote some examples it might help as I may be misreading your post.

It's definitely a minor thing('often' wasn't the right word) and the vast majority of queries are dealt with very helpfully. It's the odd one that I've noticed personally, which I don't think posting examples of is what this thread is for?

DirkVoodoo

Fair enough. I don't think it's exclusive to here, most forums have a core of regular posters who might have banter with each other or certain in-jokes. I've just never really seen (or maybe not noticed) any new posters asking genuine questions be treated as trolls.

AstraMonti

Very happy with the moderation and I mainly agree with Tom, the moderation is almost transparent (good thing). A couple more people will probably help on the subjects Raam noted.

blorg

The issue I have with sub-forums is that I don't look in them, so I miss what goes on there. I don't look generally because the volume of activity is low. I think the two we have now make sense but I wouldn't want to see the main forum further subdivided. The one suggestion that I think might make sense would be a "What Bike?" subforum, it might make it easier for people with the question to find previous threads on the matter.

Captain Havoc

Agree with blorg, maybe instead of 'which bike' you could call it the 'bike and equipment review forum'.

Lumen

I probably shouldn't contribute to this thread but I will anyway.

I think that there are certain subjective issues that deserve exemption from the "just do a search" response. Helmets, RLJ, doping, etc. People just want to talk these issues through, to get their own thoughts in order. All of the regulars have done these issues to death; I don't see why we should deny the same "joy" to newbies.

The only threads I really hate are the "Which Trek or Giant?" ones. I understand that most people don't know their 2300 from their SRAM Red, but if you're committed to buying a bike that can only be bought in a local shop, you can at least ask the salesman to explain it to you rather than expecting a bunch of randomers on the internet to document it for free.

I am still against sub-fora for the most part, but I agree with Blorg's suggestion of ringfencing the "what bike" content to make the previous threads easier to find.

tunney

I'd like to see any thread that recommends PX locked immediately. Other than that happy out

papac

Modding is grand on here I think. Just shy of invisible which is great.
I am not fond of subforums either but the sectioning off of "which bike" threads would be a good idea methinks.

irishmotorist

Raam wrote: »

I'd like to see less tolerance given to bickering and trolling. Neither serves any purpose. Pointless arguments about "one should always wear a helmet" or "cyclists never obey the ROTR" or "Lance did (allegedly) /did not dope" should should be knocked on the head.

The ROTR ones are particularly pointless. No one wins, nothing new is ever discussed. Leave the ROTR for the melting pot which is after hours. Such debates bring nothing to this forum apart from disharmony and a breeding ground for undesirables.

I despair to see people engaging with obviously inflammatory posters. Just ignore them and they will go away. There is no need for me to point out who such posters are. They do a good job of making themselves known on their own.

Personally, I don't have a problem with this. They are recurring issues and, for the likes of ROTR items, I think we need to respond each time to the accuser to say what is what. Pointing at some old search or not responding in strong terms may, I think, make it look like we're all anti-ROTR. Yes it's duplicating time and effort but if somebody shouted to you on the street that 'you all break red lights' or something, you'd defend yourself and say 'no I do not'. Boards has new subscribers, new people watching this forum the whole time so the general consensus that we have is not always apparent.

I try to put in my piece on these new discussions just to reiterate my position because I'd prefer that my POV is known rather than somebody going off thinking we're all bastards because nobody disputed.

Obviously inflamatory posters like this Tim Allen character are a bit different though. I'm not sure if ignoring might be a better tactic than moderation. We have to remember the noobs though.

Lumen wrote: »

I think that there are certain subjective issues that deserve exemption from the "just do a search" response. Helmets, RLJ, doping, etc. People just want to talk these issues through, to get their own thoughts in order. All of the regulars have done these issues to death; I don't see why we should deny the same "joy" to newbies.

Totally agree. I seem to remember my first post here being about commuting safely and somebody made a point like 'may all your posts be so wise' or some such. If I'd been told 'search because we talked about this before', it wouldn't be the same forum at all. We're enthusiasts, we like cycling. I've spoken to 2 work colleagues recently who have taken up the cycling and they're both interested. I've regaled them with stories about sportives, beating people home etc. and they are getting the bug.

irishmotorist

Oh yeah, I think the mods do a good and pretty seamless job on here. Lumen is pretty visible (as a poster and mod) so I wonder what his 9-5 is to allow his level of commitment. Are there any jobs going there?

austinbyrne21

As a newbie to both cycling and this forum I have to admit that I started off with one of them "which bike... bike to work scheme..." threads. At the time I was literally so lost on the whole subject. But through reading the forum (now religiously) I feel I'm far more educated in terms of bikes. And already mad to spend more money because of you's! Bastards! So, I can only apologise for 1 of them many threads, which nowadays I cringe when I see.:o

As for the ROTR, Lance-the-devil and other such threads... I can only say that these too are very educational. One instance - I would've never known that it's probably better to cycle 2 abreast because it's safer for both the cyclists and driver to overtake. Would've never known this. So, although these threads get done to death they're very informative for anyone starting out.

And the troll threads... I take them for what they are. Pure entertainment!

So, in summary... the forum's being ran very well and gets a thumbs up from me - a newbie! Good work mods.

Inquitus

I just like NickDrake to let us know which mods mod clean, and which are using performance enhancing mod drugs.

NickDrake

Inquitus wrote: »

I just like NickDrake to let us know which mods mod clean, and which are using performance enhancing mod drugs.

Funny man. The thing is I have called it right many times. Landis, Vino, Rasumssen.

So you cant say I didnt get it right some times

at1withmyself

uberwolf wrote: »

it certainly would be a good idea. It is open to the floor though, anyone can edit it. It would be a great idea to gather the knowledge together. And to make it easy to navigate.

Its actually the sticky post which I think needs some tidying as well, I think that post should only be one a single post. For me personally when I began using the forum I seen that it was a few pages so thought that's too much to go through but if the information from the 3 pages of posts can be collected into a single post maybe new posters will check there more often and we moght see less repetitive posts.

Otherwise everything seems good, I think everyone has moments when they forget that its 'just there opinion' but it can keep things interesting once it doesn't get personnel.

Also can the parts for trade sticky be moved to the adverts section? One less sticky on the main page.

One last thing re the sub forums and spins, I think a sub forum for spins would be useful and might help encourage them especially for those of us outside of Dublin as the main page posts get moved down to page 2 quickly. Could also discuss sportives etc in this foum.

DirkVoodoo

A useful tip, if you don't know already, is using the "subscribe to thread" in the thread tools drop down menu.

You can then follow your subscribed threads without any clutter.

Useful only if you see the thread to begin with.

But, for example, if you see a "Cork spin - ye langers" or something on monday, you can subscribe to it, so come friday night it will be very easy for you to track.

I've lost track of threads myself but this has been a very handy function.

Bluefoam

I like having all the cycling genres on one forum, but would not be against some sub forums, such as: what bike, buy and sell, maintenance & mechanics etc...

BTW, great forum

kakee

As someone who is fairly new to this forum I think the actual moderation itself is fine. In fact I have yet to see anyone be warned, suspended or banned.

I think the forum needs to be tidied up really and would be in favour of sub forums. Some people are into mountain biking, some into road biking, some people are just casual cyclists or commuters and other forum users are into every form of cycling. I do not think it would be any harm to divide the forums, or at least give it a trial period. There should really be a sticky for "recommend a bike" and "my bike was stolen" etc as new threads on these pop up every day.

The cycling forum is one of the best and busiest forums on boards.ie and by working together we can all make it bigger better and easier to manage.

Slideshowbob

TinyExplosions wrote: »

and honestly, the ribbing of members tends only to be against posters who are more than capable of holding their own (like slideshowbob and mockler007 to name a couple of recent 'heated' conversations)

And what about those that can't hold their own? - they stop contributing and are lost to boards, just because they have a different opinion, so the majority (ON HERE) rule to roost.

With regards to reporting, I reported something the other day and the moderator went to the bother ridiculously of changing the charter to accommodate a particular personal attack, turns out the moderator and offender were from the same club, so not sure about the merits of the report function.

NickDrake

Slideshowbob wrote: »

And what about those that can't hold their own? - they stop contributing and are lost to boards, just because they have a different opinion, so the majority (ON HERE) rule to roost.

With regards to reporting, I reported something the other day and the moderator went to the bother ridiculously of changing the charter to accommodate a particular personal attack, turns out the moderator and offender were from the same club, so not sure about the merits of the report function.

Ya a good few people on here are not even mods yet they seem to thing they run the forum jsut because they have a different opinion

Gavin

Slideshowbob wrote: »

And what about those that can't hold their own? - they stop contributing and are lost to boards, just because they have a different opinion, so the majority (ON HERE) rule to roost.

With regards to reporting, I reported something the other day and the moderator went to the bother ridiculously of changing the charter to accommodate a particular personal attack, turns out the moderator and offender were from the same club, so not sure about the merits of the report function.

if you think that the moderators are acting unfairly, you can approach the category moderators. You can also complain on the Helpdesk forum where the admins will investigate the situation. You have plenty of recourse if you feel that you are being treated unfairly.

72hundred

Can there be less stickies at the top of the forum.

tunney

Gavin wrote: »

if you think that the moderators are acting unfairly, you can approach the category moderators. You can also complain on the Helpdesk forum where the admins will investigate the situation. You have plenty of recourse if you feel that you are being treated unfairly.

Sounds like we need a mod who isn't in a bike club

niceonetom

tunney wrote: »

Sounds like we need a mod who isn't in a bike club

You're not in a bike club are you? Angling for the job, are you?

You'd have to give up the swimming and running though.

DirkVoodoo

If tunney becomes mod we will have to rebrand our bikes that shall not be named. gman2k probably knows where I can get some decent stickers

copacetic

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

If tunney becomes mod we will have to rebrand our bikes that shall not be named. gman2k probably knows where I can get some decent stickers

bannings for anyone who even thinks about getting a compact or is heavier than their bike also!

Chips Lovell

I've always thought very highly of the moderators here. They've always seemed to have a light touch approach and have dealt with any issues with grace and good humour.

A good example of this is the hiving off of futile debates into the Tedious Bickering thread. I think a lot of forums would slap a lock on threads instead, but the alternative approach recognises that a forum is the product of the sum of its membership and if a certain percentage wish to engage in bizarre debate why not let them at it in their own particular corner? Indeed, what is more humbling, getting a yellow card or seeing your discussion labelled as "tedious bickering"?

I think forums can change over time and the obvious change with this one is the explosion in traffic. At present I think we have a nice level of critical mass but if it were to grow further if might need some management. I'm not the biggest fan of divvying up topics into sub-forums since I think there is a lot of crossover. People who race often commute, mountain bikers often ride on the road as well and visa versa and so on. Splitting up discussion could ghettoise the the user base to an extent and reduce the potential for dissemination of knowledge. Some of the best advice I've gotten here has come from people who don't necessarily do the same time of cycling I do for example.

seamus

Agreed with el tonto on the splitting up of the forum.

I imagine that many people who have become more interested in cycling probably wouldn't have done it with such gusto if the forum was split up into various subforums. From running a newbie spin a couple of months ago, you can see that many people come on here as commuters, looking to see what the story is and then the attitude of the more enthusiastic members encourages them to give it a go outside of their daily commute.
Then 6 months later they're spending €1500 on a new road bike that they might not have otherwise done if their eyes weren't opened.

If anything, having a single melting pot for all discussions smashes the commonly-held perception that there's snobbery between the lycra-clad and the more casual riders. I'm sure there's *some* snobbery, but the stereotype is of an elitist prick who won't even look at someone wearing/riding gear worth less than €2,000, and that riding with a club or even with a seasoned rider is completely out of the question for a newbie.

This forum proves what cyclists already know themselves - that new people are always welcome and always looked after.

I've no problem with the modding here at all. As said, there's a much friendlier vibe here than elsewhere - the forum has its own in-jokes and personalities and the modding takes account of this and allows "fun" discussions to continue on. I would have thought that this approach would discourage new users and give the impression of a "clique" existing on the forum, but the number of new people popping up here every day and sticking around proves otherwise.

silvo

Just a thought on the number of stickies, an idea could be to put the sticky 'Bike parts for trade?' into the Cycling Adverts subforum and rename it to Cycling Adverts and Trade. Another idea would be to change the title of the Cycling Wiki / FAQ sticky to something like 'Looking to buy a bike - Read this first!'. It might cut down on the number of What Bike threads. Other than that I don't see any problems with the forum and enjoy lurking about on it.

Lumen

silvo wrote: »

Just a thought on the number of stickies, an idea could be to put the sticky 'Bike parts for trade?' into the Cycling Adverts subforum and rename it to Cycling Adverts and Trade. Another idea would be to change the title of the Cycling Wiki / FAQ sticky to something like 'Looking to buy a bike - Read this first!'.

Or a single meta-sticky sticky.

IM0

To all the sub forum haters...

do you find that people tend to call you unorganised or even lazy or like clutter? or even that you like things the eway you have always done them and are resistant to change?

you do realise that having them means its just a way to ORGANISE threads, and doesnt actually mean that you have to log out and can only visit one certain forum on a certain day.?

come on, it is better and you can go in and out of any forum as you please
and it just requires a little thought on which forum to post it, check out the american biking forums, can you imagine them without subforums :eek: