Moving boiler

STForSale

Hi,
Having some work done which requires my boiler to be moved.
It's a natural gas system, 7 years old, which runs radiators and heats water.

Builders plumber says there is a chance when it's moved that it wont restart and I should buy a new one.

I'm not a plumber but this sounds like BS to me.

Anyone ever heard of this before?

Joey the lips

Its not bull... Its a fact. There is also a chance the flu will have to be changed.

No doubt someone will come on and say they have moved lots of boiler. Yes they have... But there is always a chance.

The most common problem is a new flu required.

oxygenman

Why won't the boiler restart?

STForSale

Thanks Joey, what are the chances of it not firing back up, it's working fine at the minute, has been serviced regurlary and never given a days trouble.

Quote for a new one fitted is 2,700 with a 700 grant rebate.

STForSale

oxygenman wrote: »

Why won't the boiler restart?

Good question!

Joey the lips

STForSale wrote: »

Thanks Joey, what are the chances of it not firing back up, it's working fine at the minute, has been serviced regurlary and never given a days trouble.

Quote for a new one fitted is 2,700 with a 700 grant rebate.

I dont know they stats but in my mind I can think of at least 10 houses where I moved boilers and they all started. I needed a flu for 3 and a new circuit board for one. The circuit board is expensive. I use to sell boilers and the manufacturers rule was no warrently to be given on a boiler moved/installed twice.

This is the reason. They are like people. They settle well and run for a long time but move them and they give trouble,

STForSale

Cheers, reckon I'll take my chances and get him to move it.

JohnnieK

I hope you can still get a flue for the boiler in question. And I hope his plumber is RGI registared.

CorkHarbour

How much would it be just to re site your old one?

Not to drag this completely off topic but I may have to move my boiler only due to the outside flu posistion.

Can I run the flue along an interal wall through my new sunroom to an external wall, aslong as I maintain the built in fall back to the boiler (vokera gas boiler).

Distance of new flu to outside would be less than 1 metre.

JohnnieK

CorkHarbour wrote: »

How much would it be just to re site your old one?

Not to drag this completely off topic but I may have to move my boiler only due to the outside flu posistion.

Can I run the flue along an interal wall through my new sunroom to an external wall, aslong as I maintain the built in fall back to the boiler (vokera gas boiler).

Distance of new flu to outside would be less than 1 metre.

You sure can. 1m is well within the regs for a horizontal flue as long as there is no excessive bends on it.

Joey the lips

JohnnieK wrote: »

You sure can. 1m is well within the regs for a horizontal flue as long as there is no excessive bends on it.

If i remember correctly a boiler can run 3 meters on the horizontal but this reduces by half a meter for every bend.

Obv i am not an installer but vokera will confirm this,

CorkHarbour

sorry for highjacking this thread STForSale but thanks for the replys, the installation manual seem so say yes but you know the way it is with your own work you like things to be stated simply.

the manual show horizontal flus but never mentions internal or external wall etc.

The next prob I'll have is how to cover the pipe up I'll have to build an isulation box shelf effort around it as I'm not moving my boiler cupboard.

If I dont just stick a 90 elbow on it and lengthen the flu. i would be moving my boiler all of 90 degrees more or less through a wall to get it into the new outside wall, it would be some waste of cash.

Joey the lips

CorkHarbour wrote: »

sorry for highjacking this thread STForSale but thanks for the replys, the installation manual seem so say yes but you know the way it is with your own work you like things to be stated simply.

the manual show horizontal flus but never mentions internal or external wall etc.

The next prob I'll have is how to cover the pipe up I'll have to build an isulation box shelf effort around it as I'm not moving my boiler cupboard.

If I dont just stick a 90 elbow on it and lengthen the flu. i would be moving my boiler all of 90 degrees more or less through a wall to get it into the new outside wall, it would be some waste of cash.

Twin wall flu can be boxed in as it is sealed if installed correctly.

I dont get the last paragraph.

I am also starting to worry that you are going to attempt this yourself... in which case I would consult your house insurence policy...

sullzz

Joey the lips wrote: »

I dont know they stats but in my mind I can think of at least 10 houses where I moved boilers and they all started. I needed a flu for 3 and a new circuit board for one. The circuit board is expensive. ,

thought you were not a plumber or an installer , are you sure you should be touching boilers.

Joey the lips

sullzz wrote: »

thought you were not a plumber or an installer , are you sure you should be touching boilers.

Your a funny guy. I ran a business and employed plumbers carpenters tilers and electricians.

I sold heating and plumbing bathrooms and tiles years before that.

I know a little about everything and a lot about nothing.

when i said "I" i ment it in a company sense. Obviously... and yes my plumber is registered.

yoshytoshy

Joey the lips wrote: »

when i said "I" i ment it in a company sense. Obviously... and yes my plumber is registered.

Joey ,that means your looking for work on boards.ie ?

Joey the lips

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Joey ,that means your looking for work on boards.ie ?

Nope... too close to home... happy to talk to good people who are looking for free advice.

yoshytoshy

Joey the lips wrote: »

Nope... too close to home... happy to talk to good people who are looking for free advice.

Fair enough ,cheers!

CorkHarbour

Twin wall flu can be boxed in as it is sealed if installed correctly.

I dont get the last paragraph.

I am also starting to worry that you are going to attempt this yourself... in which case I would consult your house insurence policy...

Thank you for your replies mate, I'll explain a little better if I can,

My boiler is housed in a cupboard on an right hand side of the exterior wall in my kitchen that also has two windows on the left hand side of the exterior wall, I will be removing the two windows and making a door way there and building the sunroom back onto the exterior wall, this will place my boiler flu inside my sunroom but very close to the new exterior wall I'll be building.

I can:

A: Move the boiler and pipe it wouldnt be very far, really i'd have to move it a wall thickness forwards less than a meter to the right and turn it 90 degrees and place it on the new outside wall.

But that would be a major cost and lots of extra work and I might mess up the boiler, which runs really, really well.

or B:

Run a new boiler flu to the outside through a gland in my new sunroom wall, that way all i need is a few feet of double skinned flu pipe, a gland for the wall and a method to protect the flu which would transit my new interior sunroom wall from impact and or items been rested against it.

My wife wont mind as long as it looks fairly presentable.

A boxed in fire retard insul filled shelf effort made to blend into the decor will be much cheaper.

Dont be to worried though, I am a fitter/turner by trade and a Class III marine engineer as well so the only jobs I dont do are those that indemify my insurance such as hooking up gas etc. I can normally be trusted to correctly identify what things to leave well enough alone.

I'm ringing around all the different structural engineers at the moment to get a consultant for the work i'll be doing.

Your advice here is great though as you can bounce random thoughts and ideas of different people without leaving home. Its really appreciated.