Why do Irish Films suck

brideochucky

We have great writers, we have great stage actors and directors, we're an arty bunch but god do our films suck especially now that everyone has a digital camera and a computer. I keep watching Irish films to support them in hope that one day there will be a good one. Please someone tell me there is a good one out there apart from the ovbious Garage etc

Doyler92

We don't have the money to make half decent films.

candy-gal1

I really dont agree tbh, I mean The Van, The snapper, Intermission, The commitments, once, song for a raggy boy, magdalene sisters to name a few!

Duggy747

While I agree to a certain point that our movies do be fairly low standard when compared to other countries but our film industry is small and tight-arsed.

We have the crew to make good films but they're usually forced to base their films in the only city this country seems to have, Dublin. Anything outside it is a bogger-comdey.

Cuz, you know, real life is in the seedier side of Dublin.

That being said, we do have some cracker of good movies though they're few and far between.

Here's an angry rant from someone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0YQT-tx5Pk

conorhal

brideochucky wrote: »

We have great writers, we have great stage actors and directors, we're an arty bunch but god do our films suck especially now that everyone has a digital camera and a computer. I keep watching Irish films to support them in hope that one day there will be a good one. Please someone tell me there is a good one out there apart from the ovbious Garage etc

TBH I don't think we have that many great writers and actors etc.

Let's face it, we've been basking in the talent of a few long dead anglo-Irish authors for a very long time now, and we produce far more Celia Aherns then we do John McGahern's that's for sure. I don't see many replacements for John B. Keene coming up either.

The truth is that the talent pool here is pretty shallow.

I also think that or slavish admiration for our literary tradition actually hampers the film industry.
Cinema started in the silent era as a commercial entertainment, from Chaplin to German expressionism a visual language was evolved based purely on visual imagery to convey a story. Ireland with a small to non-existent film industry skipped this developmental period and never successfully managed to adapt our literary tradition to a visual one . As a result many Irish scripts read more like draught novels rather then screenplays, making a film and writing a play or a novel require very different skills and sensibilities. The sole great visualist that we've produced is probably Neil Jordan, and god has he been off form of late.

Also, we just don’t seem to do big narratives in Irish cinema. You could blame the budget, but Blair Witch, or Pi or Primer had no budget, and so I’d prefer to blame a lack of ambition.
Perhaps there are not a lot of big narratives in Irish life and we’re an introspective lot that prefer stories from the valley of the twitching curtains rather than epic ideas. The last time we thought big was perhaps 1916 (is it any coincidence that we keep returning to that well for movies) and it’s been down hill ever since. As a result I think we make too many small stories about small ideas that go nowhere with meandering narratives filled with whacky characters.

faceman

To suggest there is a lack of talented actors, directors or writers is absurd. The issue to me, is what is being approved for funding. For some reason, those with the cash have a massive horn for Oirish movies. Pants to that.

Look at the UK film industry. Do they make films celebrating their englishness? Yes they do but look at the English films that get greenlit that dont.

Take this former film student from Dun Laoighaire. Made a trailer for a film with just €20k. A major studio spotted it and has given him a budget of $68m to make it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoVUPeeF6y8

Mickeroo

faceman wrote: »

To suggest there is a lack of talented actors, directors or writers is absurd. The issue to me, is what is being approved for funding. For some reason, those with the cash have a massive horn for Oirish movies. Pants to that.

Look at the UK film industry. Do they make films celebrating their englishness? Yes they do but look at the English films that get greenlit that dont.

Take this former film student from Dun Laoighaire. Made a trailer for a film with just €20k. A major studio spotted it and has given him a budget of $68m to make it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoVUPeeF6y8

That's getting made?? An irish made Samurai/Sci-Fi movie, could be interesting.

Brendog

Man about dog...
POW!

Song for a Raggy Boy...
POW!

Michael Collins...
POW!

My Left Foot...
POW!

In the Name of the Father...
POW!

The General...
POW!

Reign of Fire...
POW!

Adam and Paul...
POW!

Boy Eats Girl
POW! FLOP!

Dublindude69

It seems other countrys seems to have stepped up recently with horror flicks. You see a lot of great forign horror movies coming out but we don't seem to have any, bar that horrible mess Shrooms and equally horrible mess Shrooms. I think they could do really well if they got someone who was passionate about the genre, gave them a decent enough budget and let them go wild, instead we get Shrooms, ugh!

conorhal

faceman wrote: »

To suggest there is a lack of talented actors, directors or writers is absurd. The issue to me, is what is being approved for funding. For some reason, those with the cash have a massive horn for Oirish movies. Pants to that.

Look at the UK film industry. Do they make films celebrating their englishness? Yes they do but look at the English films that get greenlit that dont.

Take this former film student from Dun Laoighaire. Made a trailer for a film with just €20k. A major studio spotted it and has given him a budget of $68m to make it.

Ugh, that looks awful. Sin City meets Crouching Tiger with excessive slow-mo and no hint of a plot.
If your script is really good, and you are really persistant, funding will follow, if it doesn't write creatively and produce something you can make on your credit card A la Kevin Smith.
A good friend of mine was a script reader for an an Irish production company, before that she did the same for an American major. She saw pretty much every submission going in the industry and found little hope for the future on the basis of what crossed her desk.

The problem isn't a lack of talent but rather the narrow-mindedness of the film board who will bend over backwards to accommodate any foreign films shooting here but would never in a million years give any funding to similar projects submitted by Irish filmmakers.

The other big problem is that most Irish genre films try far too hard to be American, the woeful Shrooms and it's equally poor follow-up Red Mist go out of their way to be American, hell Red Mist may be shot up North but it takes place across the scenes complete with dreadful actors who repeatedly forget that they're supposed to be American.

The Cup of Tears trailer looks decent from a visual stand point but the story lacks any sense of originality. While I do hope the film gets made, I seriously doubt that it will. It reminds me of the time when a certain up and coming Irish director was signed to direct the live action Akira only for nothing of the project to be heard from again until the Hughes brothers signed on to direct.

Galvasean

What was that trailer that was supposed to end up being a feature - Cillian Murphy was in it and it was a post apocalyptic war film? Pretty sure it got canned too. Pity, as it looked a good concept.

Mickeroo

Deleted User wrote: »

The problem isn't a lack of talent but rather the narrow-mindedness of the film board who will bend over backwards to accommodate any foreign films shooting here but would never in a million years give any funding to similar projects submitted by Irish filmmakers.

The other big problem is that most Irish genre films try far too hard to be American, the woeful Shrooms and it's equally poor follow-up Red Mist go out of their way to be American, hell Red Mist may be shot up North but it takes place across the scenes complete with dreadful actors who repeatedly forget that they're supposed to be American.

The Cup of Tears trailer looks decent from a visual stand point but the story lacks any sense of originality. While I do hope the film gets made, I seriously doubt that it will. It reminds me of the time when a certain up and coming Irish director was signed to direct the live action Akira only for nothing of the project to be heard from again until the Hughes brothers signed on to direct.

What irish director was meant to make Akira?

Mickeroo

Mickeroo wrote: »

What irish director was meant to make Akira?

Ruairi Robinson who directed the short the Silent City was in line to direct it.

Raekwon

Brendog wrote: »

Reign of Fire...

Reign of Fire isn't an Irish film. It was partial shot in Ireland (same as Saving Private Ryan) but was financed by an American studio, had an American director and its main actors were American, Scottish, Welsh & Polish.

Other decent Irish movies not mentioned are:
Veronica Guerin
The Wind That Shakes the Barley
The Field (subjective)
The Butcher Boy
The Crying Game
In America
Perriers Bounty

Btw Man About Dog is absolutely terrible!

Renn

Irish films suck? Never!

Miguel_Sanchez

Mickeroo wrote: »

That's getting made?? An irish made Samurai/Sci-Fi movie, could be interesting.

It's not going to be Irish made, Working Title are making it - the director is Irish but it's most likely going to be shot in Eastern Europe.

Deleted User wrote: »

The Cup of Tears trailer looks decent from a visual stand point but the story lacks any sense of originality.

The script is being written by Nathan Parker so that's a really good sign.



I should fess up and say that Gary's a friend of mine so I'm obviously going to be biased towards Cup of Tears going ahead and being awesome!

Jeff_Lebowski

Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »

I should fess up and say that Gary's a friend of mine so I'm obviously going to be biased towards Cup of Tears going ahead and being awesome!

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see it made but at the same time I think it's a case of jumping in at the deep end. I would much prefer to see him try his had at some smaller budgeted project. Going from a small 20K project to 68 million is a big step up and many more prolific film makers have failed in their attempts at such a step up.

Galvasean

TBH I thought The Wind That Shakes the Barley was kind of awful. I don't get our nation's absolute hard on for it.

Galvasean

Galvasean wrote: »

TBH I thought The Wind That Shakes the Barley was kind of awful. I don't get our nation's absolute hard on for it.

It's a comedic gem though, I don't think I ever laughed so hard in the cinema.

krudler

Raekwon wrote: »

Reign of Fire isn't an Irish film. It was partial shot in Ireland (same as Saving Private Ryan) but was financed by an American studio, had an American director and its main actors were American, Scottish, Welsh & Polish.

Other decent Irish movies not mentioned are:
Veronica Guerin
The Wind That Shakes the Barley
The Field (subjective)
The Butcher Boy
The Crying Game
In America
Perriers Bounty

Btw Man About Dog is absolutely terrible!

Veronica Guerin was financed by an American studio, director wasnt Irish and its star is Australian, doesnt make it an Irish movie either by that logic.

Rented Mule

Just out of curiosity. Of the 'Irish films' listed in the threads below, how many of them were actually 'made' by an Irish company ? It seems as though, most of the time, these films are made by British/American film companies.

krudler

Rented Mule wrote: »

Just out of curiosity. Of the 'Irish films' listed in the threads below, how many of them were actually 'made' by an Irish company ? It seems as though, most of the time, these films are made by British/American film companies.

What constitutes an "irish" film has been debated to death on here, some people would call In Bruges one, I wouldnt but thats just me. By some peoples logic you could call Lord of the Rings a British film as most of the cast is English.

Galvasean

Irish people tend to grab anything decent as our own. At one point theythey tried to claim Maggie Q was irish. Tried to claim Chrlize Theron as Irish because she was engaged to an Irish man. J.J. Abrams won some big award for Irish talent recently even though he's not Irish (his wife is).

To me, an Irish film is one that is made by an Irish company / mostly funded by Irish money.

mikhail

There are good people around, but most of them do the bulk of their work abroad - there just isn't the money to keep them. Just look at In Bruges: Irish writer/director, two Irish leads, but they had to go to England to get financing..

krudler

And yet crap like You're a Star, Killinaskully and 99% of the sh1te RTE makes gets funding no problem, if they put as much effort into funding decent movies as they do crappy tv shows we'd be a lot better off and homegrown talent wouldnt have to go to the UK for money.

Galvasean

krudler wrote: »

And yet crap like You're a Star, Killinaskully and 99% of the sh1te RTE makes gets funding no problem, if they put as much effort into funding decent movies as they do crappy tv shows we'd be a lot better off and homegrown talent wouldnt have to go to the UK for money.

A lot of the films that get funding make me go "Whaaaaaaaaaa????????????". I mean who thought this was a good idea?
I mean I know making a good film isn't as easy as it looks, but good lord...

Bodhisopha

Irish films suck because they are too concerned with being Irish.

Renn

And the other ones suck because they're too concerned with trying to be American?

BopNiblets

By that logic all films suck and that brings this entire subforum to a crashing halt.

I liked Intermission, In Bruges, A Film With Me In It and I'd like to see Perriers Bounty eventually.
Didn't really give Wind That Shakes The Barley a second thought.
I'm not ferociously patriotic or anything, but those films were Irish enough for me!

"Ah sure they're grand!" etc.

johnny_ultimate

Bodhisopha wrote: »

Irish films suck because they are too concerned with being Irish.

To a degree, I agree with this, although I always wonder why it causes such problems. Irish films are too preoccupied with being Irish, and trying to capture either 'rural' or 'urban' life. The problem being, alas, that a lot of Irish themes just aren't very interesting. In college, we were often shown 'highlights' of Irish cinema like Poitin or The Ballroom of Romance. Dreadful, depressing films that only get by because they are Irish.

On the other hand, many of the best pieces of world cinema are effective because of their country of origin. Spirited Away or Ran wouldn't work if they weren't Japanese, and Hidden depends on French social issues to make many points. But these films have fairly universal themes too, that make them compelling beyond merely being just Japanese or French. I'd also say it's down to the appeal of the unknown - sometimes the appeal of foreign cultures is because they're foreign and strange to us. Perhaps we perceive Irish films as weak because we're too familiar with the place in the first place. That, and we're a pack of ****ing begrudgers, and Irish agencies tend to not recognise a good idea when they see it (Father Ted, anyone?) :pac:

I still would hold the Butcher Boy up as the one example of what a good Irish film should be. It reflects Irish issues, but also has darker and more wide-reaching themes. It's a film that has to be Irish to address many of the themes and issues it focuses on, and isn't good just because it's Irish - it's also cleverly written and directed.

Plus, you can't forget that a lot of Irish films are genuinely awful. Goldfish Memories, for example - if that's the kind of tripe that gets a general release, of course we have a right to be cynical. There is talent out there, they just don't seem to get the recognition and financing we deserve. Maybe ultimately we are too small a country to ever have a rich cinematic landscape. Then again, Sweden's small too and they continually make fantastic films.

So, yeah, I guess it's hard to pinpoint exactly why. The harsh reality, alas, is simply a huge amount of Irish films are dreadful.

Galvasean

There seem to be only two accents in the Irish film world; the 'begora-gosh' and the 'bleedin deadly' with eff all in between.

johnny_ultimate

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Then again, Sweden's small too and they continually make fantastic films.

But how many dreadful Swedish films do we never see? remember that it's only the good ones which willever see a release outside of its home country.

Nolanger

We make Swedish films here too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6k0dVnsZfI

constitutionus

they suck for the same reason most irish telly and radio sucks.

theyre all made by the same group of people related to each other who come out of RTE or some other state agency / public sector backround.

anyone with any real talent has to run a mile out of this country to get a break. over hear if your da wrote a eurovision entry back in the 70s you get a TV show !

as long as the film board throws money at this restricted pool your gonna get tosh beyond belief.

thing is im not even sure its nepotism. i actually think they just have NO idea how to find or foster talent outside their own social circle. when its come to radio for instance theyve basically resorted to rewarding criminality.

they moan about pirate radio, then hire the DJs that work there.

maybe when movie making circa youtube or something gets to a level where you can see the real talent shine theyll get noticed.

till then your looking at the ususal suspects producing shyte and their ex school mates in media cheerleading about how "great" the film is.

johnny_ultimate

Deleted User wrote: »

But how many dreadful Swedish films do we never see? remember that it's only the good ones which willever see a release outside of its home country.

Indeed, but I'm saying that the Swedish - which is simply an example of another small country producing films - have struck gold more than we have. Anything by Bergman, Let the Right One In, Together, You, The Living, The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo etc... All superb films, by fantastic directors like Roy Andersson or Lukas Moodysson.

I'm sure they pump out a fair amount of cack too, but I suppose my point is that there is no reason why talented Irish directors shouldn't emerge either. Yeah, Sweden has double the population we do, but they're still small. In an ideal world, we'd have more 'name' directors out there working, rather than the rare hit like Once. We have the likes of Neil Jordan and Jim Sheridan, who once were putting out great films, but alas that isn't the case anymore . Brothers anyone?

Sid_Justice

I'm not convinced by the argument.

Which country has a far superior film industry to our own if you compare like with like (relative size and budgets). Tbh, are there 10 "swedish" films that are big internationally?

johnny_ultimate

Sid_Justice wrote: »

I'm not convinced by the argument.

Which country has a far superior film industry to our own if you compare like with like (relative size and budgets). Tbh, are there 10 "swedish" films that are big internationally?

It's not necessarily my core argument either - I'd be more of the opinion that Irish directors need to be produce more internationally appreciated films, as opposed to ones which are simply 'good for an Irish film'. We for the most part just lack many real breakout films. There are a few - I've mentioned the Butcher Boy and Once already, and other stuff like Small Engine Repair got rave reviews too (haven't seen it yet).

Again, Sweden is just an example of a country that has produced quite a few great films and film-makers. I'm not for a second saying Sweden is the perfect cinema producing nation, and yeah I agree only the best will make it over here. I just wonder if there are any Irish directors who could be classed internationally like Ingmar Bergman was? In general, it's more the lack of talent, or probably more truthfully, failure to draw on the talent pool.

We're a tiny country, working with tiny budgets (with anything arts related being repeatedly slashed). That is always going to be a significant drawback when trying to promote a more unique, inventive and 'good' national cinema.

johnny_ultimate

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Indeed, but I'm saying that the Swedish - which is simply an example of another small country producing films - have struck gold more than we have. Anything by Bergman, Let the Right One In, Together, You, The Living, The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo etc... All superb films, by fantastic directors like Roy Andersson or Lukas Moodysson.

I'm sure they pump out a fair amount of cack too, but I suppose my point is that there is no reason why talented Irish directors shouldn't emerge either. Yeah, Sweden has double the population we do, but they're still small. In an ideal world, we'd have more 'name' directors out there working, rather than the rare hit like Once. We have the likes of Neil Jordan and Jim Sheridan, who once were putting out great films, but alas that isn't the case anymore . Brothers anyone?

You'll find that a lot of talented Irish directors never get a chance over here and instead look elsewhere. Billy O'Brien made the rather good Isolation, (the first half is fantastic though the end is a bit of a mess) but since then he's done nothing or note.

A recent Irish film maker who has really impressed me is Glenn McQuaid who made the superb I Sell the Dead. Granted he got no funding from within Ireland and shot the film in America though given the nature of the film, a black comedy about grave robbers at the turn of the century, he would have had a hell of at time getting film board funding for it.

The Irish film industry has the same problems that most Irish writers face, your work isn't considered Irish until you reflect on the past and what it means to be Irish. This generally results in dreary, depressing anti-British films or dreadfully unoriginal films about how bad poverty is. Compare the Irish film Board to the English ne and the differences are instantly to be seen, English films by and large do have a very English fell to them but they also touch upon ideals which are international, something which Irish film lacks.

Pittens

I agree that there is a Trying to hard to be Irish thing. Do American movies try too hard to be American? no, I dont think so. Being set there we learn about America as we watch ( most people know America even if they have never been). But Americans are not really aware of their Americanness - they see it as a neutral position. They see the standard American accent as normal, or non-existant.

Could a neutral Irish movie be made? Well accents matter, so no.

Consider: Would Sleepless in Seattle work? ( Sleepless in Galway), were it first made here and exactly the same - late night radio, two people across two coasts, both learn about each other on the radio, both meet up serrendiptiously. Same script with Americanism replaced by some Irish phrases?

Wouldnt work. The rom com, or comedy, has to be set somewhere "neutral" like America or else somewhere stereotypical like bog-Ireland, or posh-England. Ireland cant be neutral. We keep looking for the Irishness in it. A French rom-com has to self-stereotypical ( generally meaning older man, younger woman and les affaires).

( And I just watched Leap Year. That works if you see us as natives, a strange exotic people, but charming)

johnny_ultimate

Deleted User wrote: »

You'll find that a lot of talented Irish directors never get a chance over here and instead look elsewhere. Billy O'Brien made the rather good Isolation, (the first half is fantastic though the end is a bit of a mess) but since then he's done nothing or note.

A recent Irish film maker who has really impressed me is Glenn McQuaid who made the superb I Sell the Dead. Granted he got no funding from within Ireland and shot the film in America though given the nature of the film, a black comedy about grave robbers at the turn of the century, he would have had a hell of at time getting film board funding for it.

The Irish film industry has the same problems that most Irish writers face, your work isn't considered Irish until you reflect on the past and what it means to be Irish. This generally results in dreary, depressing anti-British films or dreadfully unoriginal films about how bad poverty is. Compare the Irish film Board to the English ne and the differences are instantly to be seen, English films by and large do have a very English fell to them but they also touch upon ideals which are international, something which Irish film lacks.

Yeah that touches on most of the reasons why Irish films aren't particularly great. It's the same in all countries - even Akira Kurosawa was blacklisted in Japan for a while, exiled to Russia to make a film he couldn't get funding for at home. Luckily the Japanese funded him again eventually, but even the best directors sometimes need to go abroad for financing.

I'd agree that the 'Irish subjects' are generally pretty dull - a lot of the 'grimness of rural life' films particularly can be awful and uninteresting - from The Ballroom of Romance to Garage (the latter being a well made film in general, even if I wasn't a fan of the subject matter or tone). I'd say the key is to address Irish issues with fresh narratives - don't abandon Irish themes completely, but work them into scripts with more subtlety that the 'POVERTY! ARGGHHH!' approach.

Look at the submission advice for funding from the IFB. It strongly suggests that funding will go to distinctly 'Irish' films. Perhaps the focus on this should be toned down somewhat. IFB obviously exists to promote Irish film, but it frequently reiterates the need for 'a strongly Irish project'.

Strong preference will be given to submissions on behalf of projects which:

* are of ‘Irish initiation’ in a creative sense; that is, conceived, written and to be directed by Irish talents
* tell Irish stories, drawing on and depicting Ireland’s culture, history, way of life, view of the world and of itself
* entail new Irish filmmaking talent in key creative roles, i.e. director, writer, producer, composer, principal actor


Serious attention will also be paid to submissions which:

* propose a strongly Irish project (in terms of setting, characters, etc) that is to be directed by a non-Irish talent, where BSÉ/IFB regards the director’s track-record as an assurance of quality
* involve an Irish producer as minority co-producer of a film, where (a) BSÉ/IFB is convinced of the quality of the project, (b) the amount of BSÉ/IFB’s investment corresponds to the level of involvement of Irish personnel, elements and facilities in the project, and (c) a commitment is in place by the majority co-producer to reciprocate by acting as minority co-producer of a future Irish film

Mickeroo

Does anyone remember Last of the High Kings with Jared Leto and Christina Ricci, I think it it was called Summer Fling in the states. It was lousy they had an american in the lead role and the film was far from a classic,but i seem to remember it being pretty neutral in terms of irishness, it was just a regular coming of age comedy with a soundtrack of classic rock music. Just shows that it can be done.

Miguel_Sanchez

There have been a good few Irish films that haven't dealt with the 'Irish' issue:

Goldfish Memory
Dead Bodies
Speed Dating
The Honeymooners

I'm sure there's more but that's all I can think of off the top of my head.

Tom Hall's new film Sensation - (guy sets up a brothel in the midlands) - isn't essentially Irish either. Personally I didn't care for it but it will be interesting to see how it does when it gets a release.

Galvasean

Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »

There have been a good few Irish films that haven't dealt with the 'Irish' issue:

Goldfish Memory

Oof! Bad example. Horrible horrible film...

cooperguy

I liked "Kisses". It came out a year or two ago.

cml387

We'll get a best selling book, set in Ireland,by an Irish author.
The author is well connected and the book sold internationally, but we still need American funding so we need an American star (anyway they're usually good at the old acting eh?).
We got a director who did a pretty good screenplay some time back so he's got history but will come cheap.
And great, we got the kooky chick from Friends and that odd dame who was in Misery.

What can possibly go wrong?

Mickeroo

cml387 wrote: »

We'll get a best selling book, set in Ireland,by an Irish author.
The author is well connected and the book sold internationally, but we still need American funding so we need an American star (anyway they're usually good at the old acting eh?).
We got a director who did a pretty good screenplay some time back so he's got history but will come cheap.
And great, we got the kooky chick from Friends and that odd dame who was in Misery.

What can possibly go wrong?

What you talkin' about, willis?

L31mr0d

Dublindude69 wrote: »

It seems other countrys seems to have stepped up recently with horror flicks. You see a lot of great forign horror movies coming out but we don't seem to have any, bar that horrible mess Shrooms and equally horrible mess Shrooms.

Have you seen "The Eclipse" with Ciarán Hinds. I thought it was excellently done, genuinely chilling in places.

I kind of see where the OP is coming from though. Ireland is known for being world class in music, literature, poetry and playwrighting yet when it comes to moving pictures in front of a camera we frequently fail. Turning out garbage in films and on tv that stinks like it's been rubbed under hollywoods tanned armpit.

I just don't understand why we aren't turning out films with exceptional writing and acting more frequently and why it isn't supported more.

Klingon Hamlet

We tend to follow the same pattern as the Brits, and tell gangster tales or underdog sotries. All working-class, ne'r-do-well, boring crap. Show me one decent Irish romance or psychological thriller. We just play up to ancient stereotypes.

trustno1

Just had a read through the thread and i don't think anyone has mentioned the Oscar winning 'Once' (apologies if someone else has mentioned it and I missed it!) or the Oscar nominated 'The Secret of Kells' - might not be everyone's cup of tea, but with a rating of 7.5 out of 10 on IMDB someone obviously liked it! (I personally have not seen it).

Miguel_Sanchez

Galvasean wrote: »

Oof! Bad example. Horrible horrible film...

I didn't say they were all good.

Mickeroo wrote: »

What you talkin' about, willis?

I believe he may be referring to PS I Lurve You.