Dublin v. London: the injustice.

compsys

Isn't it painful sometimes to see the often huge difference in weather between the south east of England (particularly London) and Dublin during the summer months? While we've had an OK start to the summer (until this week), London has been basking in a non-stop heatwave and almost drought conditions since early June. Throughout the whole of Wimbledon it never rained once during play and last weekend, while Dublin got a three-day downpour, they got a three-day heatwave!

I know the south east of England is under the influence of a more continental climate but the difference between the weather there and here is unreal sometimes for such a short distance and SOOO unfair :-(. I've lost count of the number of weather systems that have tracked right over Ireland and Scotland over the past few weeks and missed the south east corner of England entirely. Even looking ahead to next Saturday and Sunday it looks like more deep depressions are gonna move right over Ireland and miss the greater London area completely. London is forecast to reach up to 26c on the BBC this weekend while Dublin will do well to make 18.

*Massive Sigh*

P.S. I hope all the fools who were wishing for rain earlier in the month are happy now!

delw

compsys wrote: »

Isn't it painful sometimes to see the often huge difference in weather between the south east of England (particularly London) and Dublin during the summer months? While we've had an OK start to the summer (until this week), London has been basking in a non-stop heatwave and almost drought conditions since early June. Throughout the whole of Wimbledon it never rained once during play and last weekend, while Dublin got a three-day downpour, they got a three-day heatwave!

I know the south east of England is under the influence of a more continental climate but the difference between the weather there and here is unreal sometimes for such a short distance and SOOO unfair :-(. I've lost count of the number of weather systems that have tracked right over Ireland and Scotland over the past few weeks and missed the south east corner of England entirely. Even looking ahead to next Saturday and Sunday it looks like more deep depressions are gonna move right over Ireland and miss the greater London area completely. London is forecast to reach up to 26c on the BBC this weekend while Dublin will do well to make 18.

*Massive Sigh*

P.S. I hope all the fools who were wishing for rain earlier in the month are happy now!

if the atlantic keeps its hold it will be only a matter of time before its too much rain however with all the dry weather we had i suppose the ground can take more this summer than last few

im sure owen c will like this thread

Jpmarn

Over the last 3 bad summers we had, London didn't fare much better. I can recall over 2008 they never reported temperature over 30c.

compsys

Jpmarn wrote: »

Over the last 3 bad summers we had, London didn't fare much better. I can recall over 2008 they never reported temperature over 30c.

Yeah but I'm sure they recorded 27, 28 and 29C on a few days tho!

lord lucan

delw wrote: »

im sure owen c will like this thread

I thought it was him under a new username!:D

Pangea

They can keep there 31 degree and there uncomfortable nights sleep , I am not jealous of them at all. I can see why it would bother some people though, its quite a contrast, but i could draw the same comparison between glasgow and donegal, we are not that far away from glasgow yet its a lot of colder in scotland at winter
Just one way of looking at it.

pauldry

While London has been basking (normal) we have had an extremely dry year up to July in the Northwest of Ireland (not normal)

Thus.... our weather beats London! Hah!

lord lucan

I like sunny weather and temps in the low 20's but 30c during the day and 20c at night would drive me round the bend. It's too uncomfortable imo. I stayed in a Holiday inn in London one summer when it was 20c at night. They'd no AC,only a fan which served to blow warm air around the room. Horrible night tossing and turning and getting no sleep.

Deep Easterly

pauldry wrote: »

While London has been basking (normal) we have had an extremely dry year up to July in the Northwest of Ireland (not normal)

Thus.... our weather beats London! Hah!

Yes, but this is a 'Dublin Vs London' thread. Dublin, if you did not know, is the only place that gets weather in Ireland.

Deep Easterly

compsys wrote: »

P.S. I hope all the fools who were wishing for rain earlier in the month are happy now!

Yes, extremely happy thanks. If I may ask, why do you call those who wished for the rain 'fools'?

Supercell

But they get feck all snow there usually.
I wish i was back in Wicklow!

ciaran67

I was saying in another thread, i was back in London over the weekend and it was around 31 on Saturday. I do miss the more humid conditions. Summer of '06 (edit - think it was 06) was a killer. Mid/low 30's for what seemed like days, and nights with lows in low 20's. Defo the warmest nights i've known there. I used to live in Vancouver and they would have similar summers just more prolonged spells of it.

irishdub14

I was in Putney last week and it was absolutely gorgeous! It reached 31C, felt really Mediterranean. Came back to Dublin and was like a Winters day!

rd_milltown

compsys wrote: »

I know the south east of England is under the influence of a more continental climate but the difference between the weather there and here is unreal sometimes for such a short distance and SOOO unfair :-(. I've lost count of the number of weather systems that have tracked right over Ireland and Scotland over the past few weeks and missed the south east corner of England entirely. !

I moved to Dublin from London in April. Am noticing the difference already, but was out of the country in June when the weather was good. That extra few hundred miles closer to the jetstream doesn't half affect the weather.

One thing I've noticed here in Dublin is how when the temperatures do reach the low twenties is how it's typically more humid that London will be. I thought the weather two Sundays ago when it was 21-22c and blowing a gale and gusting to 45 knots and gloriously sunny was one of the oddest days I've experienced - in London or Dublin !

Cheers
Richard

ciaran67

irishdub14 wrote: »

I was in Putney last week and it was absolutely gorgeous! It reached 31C, felt really Mediterranean. Came back to Dublin and was like a Winters day!

Haa i grew up in Putney, Oakhill Road!

owenc

Pangea wrote: »

They can keep there 31 degree and there uncomfortable nights sleep , I am not jealous of them at all. I can see why it would bother some people though, its quite a contrast, but i could draw the same comparison between glasgow and donegal, we are not that far away from glasgow yet its a lot of colder in scotland at winter
Just one way of looking at it.

EH? glasgow is only 95 miles away from me and i get the same weather the whole time they are only about 2c difference at the most.

owenc

pauldry wrote: »

While London has been basking (normal) we have had an extremely dry year up to July in the Northwest of Ireland (not normal)

Thus.... our weather beats London! Hah!

Well i've had an extremely wet year! I hate the way people are saying this is drought conditions, this is not drought!

owenc

lord lucan wrote: »

I like sunny weather and temps in the low 20's but 30c during the day and 20c at night would drive me round the bend. It's too uncomfortable imo. I stayed in a Holiday inn in London one summer when it was 20c at night. They'd no AC,only a fan which served to blow warm air around the room. Horrible night tossing and turning and getting no sleep.

I was in florida and it was 28c at night, it felt fine.

Speak Now

owenc wrote: »

Well i've had an extremely wet year! I hate the way people are saying this is drought conditions, this is not drought!

Didn't you say you went months without rain

Speak Now

owenc wrote: »

I was in florida and it was 28c at night, it felt fine.

Air conditioning?

Pittens

Yeah, Florida is massively air conditioned. Without air conditioning 28 degrees night time temps ( which is the lowest nighttime temp - that is how these things are measured) will be 35+ inside.

London is a breezless, sticky, hot and miserable city in the Summer. 30 C is really at a nice spot near the airport, thermometers are designed to be unaffected by the urban island. So it is probably 35 in the city centre, in a city which smells of diesel and odourfull white van drivers.

Its sh*t.

Tube is remarkably cool though.

I dont live in London but I visit a lot.

irishdub14

ciaran67 wrote: »

Haa i grew up in Putney, Oakhill Road!

Lucky you! I was staying on Rusholme Road! Thinking of moving there sometime in the future, has to be one of the best areas of London, love the High Street!

Pangea

owenc wrote: »

EH? glasgow is only 95 miles away from me and i get the same weather the whole time they are only about 2c difference at the most.

Scotland as a whole is colder than us in the winter and gets a lot more snow than us , more blizzards etc.

rd_milltown

Pittens wrote: »

Tube is remarkably cool though.

I dont live in London but I visit a lot.

I can categorically say that the tube isn't cool !! Or did you not mean temperature "cool". The tube is a hell-hole in summer - especially the deep lines where air conditioning can't be used (e.g. the Northern Line, Central Line before it goes overground). Horrific !

ciaran67

irishdub14 wrote: »

Lucky you! I was staying on Rusholme Road! Thinking of moving there sometime in the future, has to be one of the best areas of London, love the High Street!

5 mins down West Hill and you're almost at Oakhill from Rusholme. Yea High St is good. Miss Putney a lot.

Gotta say who ever said the Tube is cool is either from the Sun or slightly deranged! They measured 51c on there once.

Pittens

The tube is a hell-hole in summer - especially the deep lines where air conditioning can't be used (e.g. the Northern Line, Central Line before it goes overground). Horrific !

Well it could be worse given the number of people and the fact that we are indoors and underground. I suppose I have never been on the very deep lines without air con. When the trains go by there is a nice refreshing breeze. Anyway I think we both agree - city heat aint all that.

dublin is, by the way, a good deal breezier than London. The air barely moves in London.

owenc

Pangea wrote: »

Scotland as a whole is colder than us in the winter and gets a lot more snow than us , more blizzards etc.

I'm talking about the areas near me, most mountains in scotland won't get any colder than the glens of antrim or the mountains behind me.

owenc

rd_milltown wrote: »

I can categorically say that the tube isn't cool !! Or did you not mean temperature "cool". The tube is a hell-hole in summer - especially the deep lines where air conditioning can't be used (e.g. the Northern Line, Central Line before it goes overground). Horrific !

I think your over exaggerating that, it isn't like 100c down there! Plus when the trains go by a nice warm breeze comes by!

Pangea

Pangea wrote: »

Scotland as a whole is colder than us in the winter and gets a lot more snow than us , more blizzards etc.

owenc wrote: »

I'm talking about the areas near me, most mountains in scotland won't get any colder than the glens of antrim or the mountains behind me.

Owen im talking about the difference in weather between two different locations, scotland is a lot more snowier than donegal or the rest of the north of ireland , Im pretty sure mountains in scotland do get a lot colder than northern irelands ,its a lot further north. Lets agree to disagree.

rd_milltown wrote: »

I can categorically say that the tube isn't cool !! Or did you not mean temperature "cool". The tube is a hell-hole in summer - especially the deep lines where air conditioning can't be used (e.g. the Northern Line, Central Line before it goes overground). Horrific !

Fully agree, it was disgusting heat down there when i was over one summer.

nacho libre

I certainly don't envy Londoners. For me being stuck in a city of 10 millions humans with temperatures of above 30 would drive me up the wall.

thetonynator

owenc wrote: »

I think your over exaggerating that, it isn't like 100c down there! Plus when the trains go by a nice warm breeze comes by!

no, but someone already said here that 51 degrees has been measured down there!!!

owenc

thetonynator wrote: »

no, but someone already said here that 51 degrees has been measured down there!!!

Thats not too bad.

thetonynator

owenc wrote: »

Thats not too bad.

People start suffocating between 40 and 50 degrees, thats pretty bad.

rd_milltown

owenc wrote: »

I think your over exaggerating that, it isn't like 100c down there! Plus when the trains go by a nice warm breeze comes by!

No - but it's been measured at 40+c in mid-summer. And when one of those gets stuck in a tunnel.....

irishdub14

nacho libre wrote: »

I certainly don't envy Londoners. For me being stuck in a city of 10 millions humans with temperatures of above 30 would drive me up the wall.

You obviously haven't been to a nice area of London! :)

compsys

People keep talking about London being over 30c and being unbearably hot. In fairness, it often doesn't get above 30c in the city. I'm talking more about the more average conditions when London is like 25 or 26c and reasonably sunny, escaping the rain, while Dublin struggles to get to 18 or 19c and is on the receiving end of every weather front that approaches from the Atlantic. A bit of heat and sun does wonders for the soul sometimes. You just feel so miserable in Dublin on dark, overcast, rainy days.

thetonynator

compsys wrote: »

People keep talking about London being over 30c and being unbearably hot. In fairness, it often doesn't get above 30c in the city. I'm talking more about the more average conditions when London is like 25 or 26c and reasonably sunny, escaping the rain, while Dublin struggles to get to 18 or 19c and is on the receiving end of every weather front that approaches from the Atlantic. A bit of heat and sun does wonders for the soul sometimes. You just feel so miserable in Dublin on dark, overcast, rainy days.

Dublin avoids a lot of the fronts, have pity on the west coast getting every single front that arrives in full force!!!

compsys

thetonynator wrote: »

Dublin avoids a lot of the fronts, have pity on the west coast getting every single front that arrives in full force!!!

True.

Pittens

Pittens wrote: »

Yeah, Florida is massively air conditioned. Without air conditioning 28 degrees night time temps ( which is the lowest nighttime temp - that is how these things are measured) will be 35+ inside.

London is a breezless, sticky, hot and miserable city in the Summer. 30 C is really at a nice spot near the airport, thermometers are designed to be unaffected by the urban island. So it is probably 35 in the city centre, in a city which smells of diesel and odourfull white van drivers.

Its sh*t.

Tube is remarkably cool though.

I dont live in London but I visit a lot.

Breezeless, sticky, hot and miserable? I live in Central London and obviously it's polluted and a bit humid, but I still find it WAY nicer than when it's cold. In the suburbs or anywhere outside the main busy streets, it's gorgeous on a hot day. I walked around for 2 hours last week when it was 30C and didn't even feel uncomfortable. There are parks all over the place to sit down and have lunch, I have Regents Park and about ten different little parks/squares here on my doorstep and Hampstead Heath is a short bus ride away. I had a beer in a beer garden or dinner outside almost every night for the last 3 or 4 weeks. What I would consider sh*t is a place where the weather is constantly grey and miserable and you can't ever walk around in a T-shirt during the 'summer'. We're actually having a crap day today in London as well, overcast and rainy, and I wondered how I ever coped when this was every day, like in Dublin. I find it absolutely soul destroying.

schween

Are we talking about London... or Madrid/Athens?

Is London really this hellishly hot? I've only visited once so I can't say.

owenc

schween wrote: »

Are we talking about London... or Madrid/Athens?

Is London really this hellishly hot? I've only visited once so I can't say.

Its really not they just go over board bragging, you should hear them on netweather apparently a boy has acclimitised to it after 3 days, in the winter he acclimitised in 2 days...:rolleyes:

nacho libre

compsys wrote: »

People keep talking about London being over 30c and being unbearably hot. In fairness, it often doesn't get above 30c in the city. I'm talking more about the more average conditions when London is like 25 or 26c and reasonably sunny, escaping the rain, while Dublin struggles to get to 18 or 19c and is on the receiving end of every weather front that approaches from the Atlantic. A bit of heat and sun does wonders for the soul sometimes. You just feel so miserable in Dublin on dark, overcast, rainy days.

well, yes 26 or 27c is more the norm... but it's still too warm for me in a big city. I'm not really a lover of hot weather anyway.

The Irish summer doesn't really bother me, because I enjoy walking in robust weather. From my perspective it's just a matter of having the right clothing to deal with the elements!

Deep Easterly

nacho libre wrote: »

well, yes 26 or 27c is more the norm... but it's still too warm for me in a big city. I'm not really a lover of hot weather anyway.

The Irish summer doesn't really bother me, because I enjoy walking in robust weather. From my perspective it's just a matter of having the right clothing to deal with the elements!

Indeed. You were captured on cam recently enjoying a walk on one of our finer summer days last week:

nacho libre

:D

Min

Who cares, most people don't live in Dublin or London and that's the justice....

thetonynator

Min wrote: »

Who cares, most people don't live in Dublin or London and that's the justice....

Dublin: 1 million, and London: 8 Million, thats an awful lot of people . . !!!

Danno

London like Dublin is built in their location for the weather - or more specifically the effects of weather on agriculture on their hinterland.

Some interesting head to heads...

WEATHER - DUBLIN APT - LONDON GREENWICH
Rainfall 688mm V 584mm *Mount Merrion used for Dublin as it's more representative of the city.
Sunshine 1433hrs V 1461hrs
Avg High 12.8c V 14.8c
Avg Min 6.4c V 7.2c

snowstreams

Would I be right in thinking that the parts of dublin that are nearer the dublin mountains are wetter than in the city centre? I used to notice it as Id cycle from UCD to sandyford.
It could be just cloudy in UCD then turn to rain/drizzle when I got over mount merrion or got to Sanyford. Might have just been my imagination!

ciaran67

snowstreams wrote: »

Would I be right in thinking that the parts of dublin that are nearer the dublin mountains are wetter than in the city centre? I used to notice it as Id cycle from UCD to sandyford.
It could be just cloudy in UCD then turn to rain/drizzle when I got over mount merrion or got to Sanyford. Might have just been my imagination!

Lots of times ive left my aunties in Rathfarnham and its very overcast. As soon as you get passed Bray head the sun is out.

I dont think its fair to compare Dublin and London. London is further south and to the east not to mention nearer the continent. Its always going to be slight warmer and sunnier.

ciaran67

ciaran67 wrote: »

Lots of times ive left my aunties in Rathfarnham and its very overcast. As soon as you get passed Bray head the sun is out.

I dont think its fair to compare Dublin and London. London is further south and to the east not to mention nearer the continent. Its always going to be slight warmer and sunnier.

Well, obviously! :P

Thomas828

compsys wrote: »

Isn't it painful sometimes to see the often huge difference in weather between the south east of England (particularly London) and Dublin during the summer months? While we've had an OK start to the summer (until this week), London has been basking in a non-stop heatwave and almost drought conditions since early June. Throughout the whole of Wimbledon it never rained once during play and last weekend, while Dublin got a three-day downpour, they got a three-day heatwave!

I know the south east of England is under the influence of a more continental climate but the difference between the weather there and here is unreal sometimes for such a short distance and SOOO unfair :-(. I've lost count of the number of weather systems that have tracked right over Ireland and Scotland over the past few weeks and missed the south east corner of England entirely. Even looking ahead to next Saturday and Sunday it looks like more deep depressions are gonna move right over Ireland and miss the greater London area completely. London is forecast to reach up to 26c on the BBC this weekend while Dublin will do well to make 18.

*Massive Sigh*

P.S. I hope all the fools who were wishing for rain earlier in the month are happy now!

I feel sorry for you in Ireland. We have had glorious summer weather in London while Ireland is in danger of being washed off the face of the earth.