Who's worse

The_Joker.

Who do you think is genuinely the criminal ?

John Gilligan

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0713/gilliganj.html

Gilligan: Never got money from illegal means
Tuesday, 13 July 2010 20:08
John Gilligan has told the High Court that he always had money but he never got any of it from illegal means or criminal activity.

The 58-year-old said he earned money from the time he was ten years old.

He said he sold bundles of sticks, worked at sea, sold cars, leased trucks, made and sold prison art and collected rubbish.

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He also said he was a professional gambler and the more money he put on, the more money he won.

He said he owned horses and his daughter worked in stable yards.

He said he knew how to gamble and he would work as a gambler on his release from prison, which he said would be in 18 months time.

CAB has taken possession of four properties, including an equestrian centre, owned by Gilligan, his wife and two children, because it says they were bought with the proceeds of crime.

He said the Jessbrook Equestrian Estate was bought by his wife, Geraldine, in the late 1980s for £7,000 and that his name was only put on the title deeds because he wanted to get a mortgage.

He also said he paid £75,000 for daughter Tracey's house and that he also bought a house for his son, Darren.

He said he made no money from dealing drugs for which he was convicted and sentenced to 20 years in prison.

He said the judges who tried him in the Special Criminal Court were reading too many newspapers, however Mr Justice Kevin Feeney pointed out that his conviction had been upheld in the court of Criminal Appeal.

The case at the High Court has been adjourned until tomorrow when John Gilligan will continue his evidence and his daughter, Tracey, will take the stand.

Geraldine and Darren Gilligan have already given their evidence.

Geraldine Gilligan has already told the court that her husband was a gambler, who won large sums of money over the years and that it never crossed her mind that he might be involved in something illegal.

She said she also earned money by hosting underwear parties and selling sandwiches to pubs.

Darren Gilligan gave evidence that he gave all the money he received from a compensation payout to his father.

He said his father gambled some of the money and that he told him to keep gambling and that maybe he would be able to buy a house out of the winnings. He said he went on to buy a house in Lucan in his and his father's name.

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Sean Fitzpatrick

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0712/anglo.html

Sean FitzPatrick is declared bankrupt
Monday, 12 July 2010 23:07
Former chairman of Anglo Irish Bank Sean FitzPatrick has been declared bankrupt by the High Court.

In a brief hearing, lawyers for Mr FitzPatrick told the court he was 'bowing to the inevitable' after he failed to get the support of Anglo Irish Bank for a private deal with his creditors.

Senior Counsel Mark Sanfey said that Mr FitzPatrick had a preliminary meeting with his creditors last Wednesday at which he presented them with draft proposals for a private deal.

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Mr Sanfey said there would be a significantly better outcome for creditors with the private scheme of arrangement than if Mr FitzPatrick was declared bankrupt and he said several creditors spoke in favour of the proposals.

However, he said Anglo Irish Bank said it would not support any proposals by Mr FitzPatrick.

He said in those circumstances Mr FitzPatrick considered that he should 'bow to the inevitable' and not try to force a vote of creditors before the court that he could not possibly win.

Mr Justice Brian McGovern said in the circumstances he would make an order adjudicating Mr FitzPatrick a bankrupt.

Mr FitzPatrick's assets and debts are now under the control of the official assignee, Chris Lehane, a court appointed official under the bankruptcy legislation.

Lawyers for the official assignee sought liberty from the court to engage a financial advisor to deal with Mr FitzPatrick's estate.

Lawyers for Anglo said the bank did not believe there would have been a better outcome if it had approved the private scheme of arrangement for creditors.

Senior Counsel Paul Gardiner said it was clear from the outset that the scheme was never going to work.

Mr Justice McGovern said he was not going to allow the bankruptcy court to be used to 'ventilate issues' between the two sides.

He said if there was anything else to be said it could be said in another forum.

On Friday, lawyers for Mr FitzPatrick told the court that he would apply for bankruptcy after he failed to get the support of Anglo for a private deal with creditors.

Mr FitzPatrick owes State-owned Anglo €110m.

Under the Irish system somebody who cannot fully repay would remain bankrupt for 12 years compared to as little as one year in the UK.

Such an individual must hand over assets to a court-appointed official who can sell them to reimburse creditors.

The official can also apply to the courts to appropriate some of the pension or income of a bankrupt person.

Mr FitzPatrick's advisors have argued that creditors would get more money under a private scheme instead of bankruptcy. But in an affidavit last month Anglo rejected that proposal.

The_Kew_Tour

They both just as bad as each other

kev9100

They're both scum.

gurramok

Both hard workers! :P

Turtyturd

Ivor Callely was on the News too.

easyeason3

John Gilligan is worse.
No contest.

And can I just say that the Seanie threads are getting old.

paddyland

Bertie.

minidazzler

Both.

orourkeda

Who says crime doesnt pay?

It does if youre good at it.

The_Kew_Tour

the key should be thrown away for both them.

If it was any other country Fitzpatrick be in jail long ago

orourkeda

adrian280582 wrote: »

the key should be thrown away for both them.

If it was any other country Fitzpatrick be in jail long ago

This might be a silly question but for what exactly?

The_Joker.

I'd love to see john gillian kick the **** out of sean fitzpatrick.

Captain Darling

Yes.

stovelid

SF is worse as he was a respectable thief (as opposed to a 'scumbag') and the only difference between lauding and hating him seems to be the current public tide of opprobrium because people's tax has been affected.

The ultimate scale of money is far, far worse in SF's case too.

Dead Kennedys

Gilligan is a drug dealing murderer so in that sense he is way ahead in the scum league and deserves to be locked up. Good auld Seanie is a shister but as far as I know he ain't killed anybody! Having said that Gilligan has had no imact on my life personelly whereas Seanie and his politician and builder buddies have caused my taxes to rise and pushed the country into the pit it's in now. So I think I'd like to see the two of them fight to the death with two blunt knives! I wounder would Gilligan bet on himself to win, he likes a flutter I believe!

Rented Mule

How many people has Fitzy had whacked ?

The_Joker.

Sean fitzpatrick has destroyed more peoples lives than Gilligan.

Thomas828

If Sean Fitzpatrick were in John Gilligan's place and vice-versa, who would be worse then? There's nothing to choose between them. They both got rich by robbing people. The only difference is Sean Fitzpatrick did it all by legal means.