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Ivor Callely (Take II)

  • 13-07-2010 06:53PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭


    From RTÉ News:
    Ivor Callely attacks Select Committee
    Tuesday, 13 July 2010 18:22

    Senator Ivor Callely has told the committee investigating his expenses claims that he fulfils his duties to the Seanad from different locations and the sale of his residence in west Cork was not an issue.

    Senator Callely is appearing for the second time before the Select Committee on Members' Interests.

    It is investigating complaints that he claimed travel and subsistence expenses from a house in west Cork while retaining a home in Dublin.

    Independent Senator Joe O'Toole asked why Mr Callely had not mentioned that the Kilcrohane house was currently on the market given that he had repeatedly insisted it was his principal residence.

    However, Senator Callely said that was not relevant and said the Committee was diversifying away from the original complaints.


    When Mr O'Toole questioned information on his website, Senator Callely responded by claiming information on the former INTO chief's own website was itself misleading.

    Later, Labour Senator Alex White repeatedly asked if it was not worthy of comment that the Senator justified claiming expenses for staying in his family home in Dublin.

    Senator Callely responded by insisting he was within the regulations.

    The tension rose when Senator White pressed him on personal circumstances, which he had alluded to in his opening statement.

    Senator Callely said he was entitled to a separate private life.

    He protested that he would not be bullied when asked repeatedly whether he still attended clinics in Dublin.

    Senator Callely forfeited the Fianna Fáil whip over the controversy.

    Story from RTÉ News:
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0713/callelyi.html

    Who the HELL does this man think he is?

    OF COURSE it matters that the house is up for sale, it's what the entire controversy is over FFS.

    Yes, Ivor, you're entitled to a private life - but when you're taking public money under dodgy circumstances we have a right to know why, so you forfeit your "right" to privacy. Deal with it.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again - THE MAN SHOULD BE IN PRISON.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭MidlandsM


    +1

    Do you reckon he did'nt shave today to have the deshevelled look and to get some sort of sympathy?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    It's straight from the stock "FF gangster caught out" handbook.

    Ahern tried the same stunt with the tribunal, claiming that he was bullied.
    O'Donoghue did the same
    O'Dea claims he's being victimised

    They simply don't do accountability in FF.

    He was asked if he did the clinics listed on his own website (which would imply that he wasn't travelling from Cork), and he started bull****ting about being "victimised and bullied".

    Is there ANY country in the world that would tolerate such bull**** ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭radia


    In the committee session this afternoon, under questioning from Dan Boyle and Alex White, Ivor eventually admitted that he doesn't own the Kilcrohane house (presumably the wife does) though he has a right of residence there.

    This was after extensive to-ing and fro-ing about the capital gains tax implications of selling the house. (It wouldn't be subject to CGT if it were his principal private residence as far as Revenue were concerned - so potentially huge from a financial point of view.)

    It's a long thread, but if you didn't see the live feed from the Seanad this afternoon, you could do worse than to skim through the blow by blow account on politics.ie for entertainment value.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Is there ANY country in the world that would tolerate such bull**** ?

    Ireland?! :D
    It's straight from the stock "FF gangster caught out" handbook

    Even the criminals are sitting up and taking note! Today John Gilligan was in the High Court using one of Bertie's old tricks- "Ah sure I won it all on the GG's!"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭Elevator


    eoinbn wrote: »
    Ireland?! :D



    Even the criminals are sitting up and taking note! Today John Gilligan was in the High Court using one of Bertie's old tricks- "Ah sure I won it all on the GG's!"

    this excuse has been used for donkeys years by crims all over the planet,

    I wish people would stop giving credit for it to bastard ahern


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭mrboswell


    The guy has a neck like a jockey's B****x!

    Doesn't even own the house in Cork!

    Did you see that he was giving out about his home being damaged or something to that effect. Possibly a scorned lover?!?

    Have to laugh his audacity. He must believe his own bull.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭bmaxi


    I laughed at Joe O'Toole telling him it wasn't a court of law and there was no onus of reasonable doubt. More like saying "You're guilty, you p*ick and we know it" :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    mrboswell wrote: »
    Did you see that he was giving out about his home being damaged or something to that effect.

    Imagine that! Someone having the gall to damage something and leg it without owning up.....
    other people's boats, maybe ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,659 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    dont let brian dobson near him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭bamboozle


    mrboswell wrote: »
    The guy has a neck like a jockey's B****x!

    Doesn't even own the house in Cork!

    Did you see that he was giving out about his home being damaged or something to that effect. Possibly a scorned lover?!?

    Have to laugh his audacity. He must believe his own bull.

    Poor Ivor, did he mention the damage he did to 2 other yachts last summer with his careless driving and the fact that 4 months later he hadnt coughed up for repairs?
    my favourite part was when asked where he'll be residing in the future his answer was

    'yesterday's history, tomorrow's a mystery'

    WTF - i'd say he's p1ssed off all the committee by this stage with his walter mitty nonsense


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    bamboozle wrote: »
    Poor Ivor, did he mention the damage he did to 2 other yachts last summer with his careless driving and the fact that 4 months later he hadnt coughed up for repairs?

    Obviously my post was too subtle! ;) ^^^ What bamboozle said.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,378 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    The fact that this guy is pretty much gonna get off relatively scott free is what sickens me most............

    Sure, he's "lost the whip" or something to that effect.
    Sure, he MAY have to repay SOME of the cash, but thats about it. Investigation by your own colleagues (in a self described "Non court of law") is no way to close this matter.
    This guy has been proven to have acted inappropriately in the past. His party had the gall to parachute him into a handy number in the Seanad without as much as a by you leave from the electorate and he turns around and pisses all over us with these expenses?
    Come on, call the cops in on this one to investigate. There are numerous laws which this guy has broken, laws for which he should do time at the very least.
    But no, this will eventually be swept under the carpet, Callelly will be forgotten about until the next time a politician acts inappropriately where he'll be added to the list of past dodgy geezers who got away scot free.

    Dont get me started on the king of them all, Bertie, Still swanning around with a garda driver and car while being paid by us to sign books.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭bamboozle


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Obviously my post was too subtle! ;) ^^^ What bamboozle said.

    hadnt seen your post!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭mrboswell


    I thought it was even funnier that he did a runner and when the garda knocked Callely came up from the cabin in a dressing gown! Apparently the garda asked him to put it away and get some clothes on!

    Calamity Callely...

    Probably couldn't pay for the repairs until he claimed some ridiculous expenses!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭simplistic2


    Councilman.....please.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Gunmonkey


    I heard a brief part of this, was something like:

    "How do you explain claiming overnight expense while you were residing in your family home?"
    "Ah sure I'm not the only senator who does that"

    So he is pleading "Peer Pressure" as a defence?? If it wasnt the fact he was being investigated by a group in the same positiotn and probably claiming just as much illegaly he wouldnt have a leg to stand on and maybe some new legislation would be drafted to put an end to it ...but alas this is Ireland, why give a job questioning this guy about his actions to a independant group when you can hand it to the boys who have as much too lose by reform......and they can claim a bit of extra scratch off it as expense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 595 ✭✭✭the_dark_side


    Gunmonkey wrote: »
    I heard a brief part of this, was something like:

    "How do you explain claiming overnight expense while you were residing in your family home?"
    "Ah sure I'm not the only senator who does that"

    So he is pleading "Peer Pressure" as a defence?? If it wasnt the fact he was being investigated by a group in the same positiotn and probably claiming just as much illegaly he wouldnt have a leg to stand on and maybe some new legislation would be drafted to put an end to it ...but alas this is Ireland, why give a job questioning this guy about his actions to a independant group when you can hand it to the boys who have as much too lose by reform......and they can claim a bit of extra scratch off it as expense.

    I think he's trying to bring a few others down with him... honour amongst thieves


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,378 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I think he's trying to bring a few others down with him... honour amongst thieves

    Exactly what I said above.
    This guys are investigating each other. We have a political elite who are ABOVE the law. That has been proven countless times in the past. They will look out for themselves and have massive vested interests in investigations of their own. I don't know WHY we LET them do this...........
    He could probably hang a few more with him and they know that, hence the pussy footing around the place......
    Call in the Gardai for a proper criminal investigation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,103 ✭✭✭North_West_Art


    there was a guy from Skibereen on the radio a couple of weeks back.. himself and a few friends decided to drive up to Leinster House from Skibereen and calculate the cost in petrol consumption. He was driving a VW 1.6 petrol car.
    He used €11 of petrol from Skibereen to the door of Leinster House..

    Sorry for putting this in bold... Im afraid of someone missing it :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,378 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    there was a guy from Skibereen on the radio a couple of weeks back.. himself and a few friends decided to drive up to Leinster House from Skibereen and calculate the cost in petrol consumption. He was driving a VW 1.6 petrol car.
    He used €11 of petrol from Skibereen to the door of Leinster House..

    Sorry for putting this in bold... Im afraid of someone missing it :)
    Okay,
    I aint going into the ins and outs of public expense rates but they are not designed to cover just your fuel costs.
    I do agree that the rates are still overly high even after the 25% haircut last year.....
    Also - 11 squids, thats a very efficient car! I want one!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Would it be possible for a citizen to make a formal complaint against Callely to the gardai? He's basically dfrauding the Irish taxpayer. I think it's astounding that there's been no mention of criminal sanction in this matter. perhaps the gaurds are investigating, and don't want to comment on it? I'd like to think that, but I doubt it somehow...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭Elevator


    Einhard wrote: »
    Would it be possible for a citizen to make a formal complaint against Callely to the gardai? He's basically dfrauding the Irish taxpayer. I think it's astounding that there's been no mention of criminal sanction in this matter. perhaps the gaurds are investigating, and don't want to comment on it? I'd like to think that, but I doubt it somehow...

    why not go and make a complaint and fill out a statement,

    afaik they have to act then :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭Turnstyle


    just watched the 6 news report on this, a panel of around 10 or more of his own colleagues questioning him on expenses of around 80k are still deliberating (day 2) in some swish conference room,
    we all know nothing will come of this in the end as per usual with FF, I wonder what the total end cost of this BS will be to the taxpayer... got to love this country :mad:


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    The Seanad Members' Interests Committee has recommended that Ivor Callely be suspended from the House for 20 days without pay.

    The proposal follows three meetings of the committee, which investigated Senator Callely's expenses claims.

    RTÉ News understands the report finds that he misrepresented his principal residence as his home in Cork.

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    The Seanad is to reconvene later tonight to consider the recommendation.

    Senator Ivor Callely has twice been questioned by the Committee about travel and subsistence claims from a home in Kilcrohane, Co Cork, while he maintained a base in Dublin.

    He denies any wrongdoing in claiming €80,000 in expenses.

    Yesterday's Committee hearing was marked by sharp exchanges between Senator Callely and his colleagues.

    Senator Callely refused to be drawn on his suggestions that his personal circumstances were changing at the relevant time, insisting that his private life should remain private.

    Perhaps the biggest surprise came when Senator Callely admitted he did not own the west Cork house at the centre of the affair but merely had 'a right of residence'.

    The Committee did not pursue this disclosure.

    Senator Callely insisted he broke no rules, but Independent Senator Joe O'Toole warned that he was not facing the rules of evidence in a court of law and that the Committee only had to base its findings on reasonable grounds.

    Details emerge on west Cork house

    The house in Kilcrohane, Co Cork, at the centre of the controversy around Senator Callelly's expenses was transferred from joint ownership to sole ownership of his wife, Jennifer, in April of this year.

    Documents from the Land Registry reveal that the transfer was registered on 12 April 2010.

    Mr Callely surprised the Seanad Members Interests Committee yesterday when he said that even though he claimed the Cork house as his principal residence, he did not own it.

    He added that he had a legal right to live there.

    Other documents show that the family home on St Lawence Road in the Dublin suburb of Clontarf remains in the couple's joint ownership.

    Source: http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0714/callelyi.html

    20 days without pay? Seriously like!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭Sulmac


    What a joke.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    20 days, oh. Everyone horde food and water, a Senator has been suspended how will the country go on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭dfbemt


    Bring in The Fraud Squad.

    Prison term required for defrauding the Irish State and people.

    Transferring the ownership of the house !!! This stinks to high heaven.

    Seanie Fitz / Ivor Callely / Bertie Ahern / Liam Lawlor / Ray Burke and all the others again giving us 2 fingers and getting away with it all.

    BA***RDS the lot of them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Shea O'Meara


    This should be a criminal investigation. If the man is shown to have commited fraud he should be charged.

    For example; if a person is suspected of using a company's petty cash for personal use they are either fired and/or the law becomes involved. As this is public money charges being brought should be automatic. We have a law enforcement agency for such things. Why are we funding toothless peers to look into this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Elevator wrote: »
    why not go and make a complaint and fill out a statement,

    afaik they have to act then :)

    If that's the case, I might actually see if I can file a complaint. Methinks I'll pop over to the legal forum and get a second opinion though!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,378 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Einhard wrote: »
    If that's the case, I might actually see if I can file a complaint. Methinks I'll pop over to the legal forum and get a second opinion though!
    Indeed, and I would be with you on this..........
    I believe a number of citizens should complain to the Gardai, if this is the only method of getting them to investigate and issue proceedings against him.
    I really am sick of politicians pissing on us.


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