Vehicle dumped on my land

slothrop

Hello legal genii
The local maggot has dumped his van on my land. He claims it is broken down, though I'm not sure as to why this is my problem (my grass verge has no mechanical experience). How do I stand on just tractoring it back on to the public road (obviously I will do my very best to ensure it is not damaged)?
Thanks

mikemac

Is it definitely your grass verge? You maintain the grass and not the council?

I'm no doubting you, just I read a lot of threads of people who claim to own the area outside their house when they don't

slothrop

Good morning FS
No problem, I'm happy to clarify.
Yes the verge is ours as it adjoins our land. We gave up the actually lane to the corporation a generation ago (and they are doing an excellent job in maintaining it, just like all the other rural roads

I'm sure on the ownership because the boundary was an issue for us - we have recently endured the whole map fiasco with the PRA - a right pack of eejiots - why is it that every bureaucracy on this isle need TDing before they'll do their jobs.
The last part is an unrelated gripe - I'm thinking of starting a thread.

mikemac

We have this outside our house too.
There is a large area of tarmac between our house and the road, we own it and maintain it.
On a narrow rural road, cars pull in so oncoming cars/tractors or the milk lorry can pass. No issues with that. It's more then big enough to fit a milk lorry so that's some idea of the size

And unlike a lot of locals, we don't put up stone barriers, I hate seeing them and they are dangerous at night as people will hit them if they can't be seen, sorry unrelated.

With the drink driving crackdown, our area outside the house seems the place to park your car, walk to the village and then collect your car, we are on a rural road just outside the village so no garda checkpoints ever.
With all the drinking or holidays or breakdowns sometimes cars get left there for days at a time.

We know most of the locals, they are told to get the car moved asap.
Once a car got vandalized by the local kids parked on our land and the owners wanted compensation off us, ha ha :rolleyes:

You know the owner so approach them again and demand it gets moved.
Or tow it.
I would not go to the gardai, there is no need and it's not good to escalate things in a rural area, not yet anyway

slothrop

Right FS. I've come across your commuting to the pub problem before and yes the fella in question did ultimately borrow concrete road railings from a nearby road works (he created a kind of pit lane - which didnt wholely solve the problem but did create some interesting congestion). It's a crappy thing to do on a narrow road but I couldnt fault him because I certainly couldnt park outside his house when I went round.

I wouldnt ask the Gard - the station, only open during daylight, is 10 miles away and so it's a good hour of a round trip for the poor girl.

I got to the 'its broke down mate' explanation when I asked for it to be moved - in a way its a sad story - he just doesnt have the work for the vehicle so I dont think he can justify the tax and test anymore. On the harden your heart side tho', my concern is I've just unwillingly moved in to scrap business...

mikemac

Rural area?
Abandoned van on the side of the road?
That van may well get robbed within a week, especially if the usual suspects (you know who I mean) think there are tools in it.

Maybe highlight for their own sake they need to get it moved out of the way as you are not liable should it get broken into.

nuac

If you think the vehicle is abandoned contact the environmental section of your county council.

There are risks in attempting to move it yourself.


Re PRA - can't agree. They have done an excellent job over the last 10/15 year in computerising their entire data base and putting it online.

slothrop

Hello Nuac
Yes. The digital mappping project is an excellent idea. It was just badly resourced and in stretched times, when public sector morale is low, just seems to stagger along. I realise resourcing is a political-will issue rather than any corporate failure but I have a couple of contrasting experiences with the PRA. One was of a purchase of a new build which went really smoothly (easy access to state indemnified folio - the full virtue of a comprehensive system for accurately mapping ownership) and the other the voluntary registration of an old property, premises and adjoining land. This had a detailed deed history, was without lien or mortgage but with the 'service of notice' came with contested boundaries. Resolving the matter dragged on for three years.

The absence of statutory guidance/regulation on times to complete this admittedly complex and involved work did not help. It seemed like the whole county was being consulted. In order to draw a line under the process I ended up in the office of my TD, and I really hate having to do that.