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Semenya Given all clear

  • 09-07-2010 3:17pm
    #1
    ecoli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭


    One of the highest profile legal actions in the sport (even bigger than Mary Coughlan v the AAI:D) has finally come to an end given her the right to compete again as a female.
    The 19 year old world champion has opted out of the World Juniors next week citing she is unfit but is hoping to compete in the African Championships at the end of the month


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  • #2
    myflipflops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭myflipflops


    General opinions being put about (see link) that she has received hormone treatment over the last year. If true, it's very difficult to forecast what she is now capable of.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/gordonfarquhar/2010/07/farquhar.html


  • #3
    tunney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    ecoli wrote: »
    One of the highest profile legal actions in the sport (even bigger than Mary Coughlan v the AAI:D) has finally come to an end given her the right to compete again as a female.
    The 19 year old world champion has opted out of the World Juniors next week citing she is unfit but is hoping to compete in the African Championships at the end of the month

    <Snip>


  • #4
    Sport101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Sport101


    It would have been interesting to see how they would have dealt with a world record, if she had set one in the 800metres when winning.


  • #5
    t4k30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 116 ✭✭t4k30


    I hope she has under gone hormone treatment.


  • #6
    myflipflops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭myflipflops


    Sport101 wrote: »
    It would have been interesting to see how they would have dealt with a world record, if she had set one in the 800metres when winning.

    To be honest, whatever anyone's opinion on Semenya, it would have been a much more legitimate world record than what currently stands.


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  • #7
    Sport101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Sport101


    myflipflops wrote: »
    To be honest, whatever anyone's opinion on Semenya, it would have been a much more legitimate world record than what currently stands.

    You mean this dude?
    Kratochvilova.jpg

    No sex tests required... noone brave enough to perform them.


  • #8
    T runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    myflipflops wrote: »
    General opinions being put about (see link) that she has received hormone treatment over the last year. If true, it's very difficult to forecast what she is now capable of.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/gordonfarquhar/2010/07/farquhar.html

    This guy has both speculated as fact that she had an "operation" yet applauded IAAF on their confidentiality in not releasing this fact. Wont be reading his blog again.

    Hope she can just run now and is spared any more controversy.

    <Snip>


  • #9
    ecoli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Sport101 wrote: »
    You mean this dude?
    Kratochvilova.jpg

    No sex tests required... noone brave enough to perform them.

    Holy sh!t its bigger than mine:p


  • #10
    testicle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,429 ✭✭✭testicle


    T runner wrote: »
    "Still wouldn't" What?

    When a man and a woman love each other very much...


  • #11
    T runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    Sport101 wrote: »
    You mean this dude?


    No sex tests required... no-one brave enough to perform them.

    To be honest, there were many, many womens lives ruined by the greed of States and not just Eastern European ones. I think that womans life was badly broken through no fault of her own.

    If you cant resist the urge to have your wise crack, then fire away, ofcourse. I'd put it in the same category as laughing at someone who got permanently hurt in an accident.


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  • #12
    Sport101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Sport101


    T runner wrote: »

    Hope she can just run now and is spared any more controversy.


    I'm sure there'll be no more contorversy if she returns as an average athlete.
    If she starts to win again then suspicions will be raised, escpecially considering how the iaaf closed its statement on their website:
    "Please note that the medical details of the case remain confidential and the IAAF will make no further comment on the matter."

    If there was no medical treatment then there is hardly a need to make this point. What treatment did she receive if any? and will she continue to need treatment? I would have thought some level of disclosure would be fairer to other athletes if she is allowed to return to competition, especially those she beat before, to show that, if in fact the playing field was not fair before, that it is now.


  • #13
    T runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    testicle wrote: »
    When a man and a woman love each other very much...

    Oh I know what he meant Testicle, I just wanted him to say it out. This is the type of sh1te that this girl has had to face from every half-wit smartass in the world.

    [Snip]


  • #14
    T runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    Sport101 wrote: »
    I'm sure there'll be no more contorversy if she returns as an average athlete.
    If she starts to win again then suspicions will be raised, escpecially considering how the iaaf closed its statement on their website:
    "Please note that the medical details of the case remain confidential and the IAAF will make no further comment on the matter."

    If there was no medical treatment then there is hardly a need to make this point. What treatment did she receive if any? and will she continue to need treatment? I would have thought some level of disclosure would be fairer to other athletes if she is allowed to return to competition, especially those she beat before, to show that, if in fact the playing field was not fair before, that it is now.

    The IAAF have cleared her for competition, she is female that is all you or I need to know. If you think the IAAF are lying then please elaborate. Notice the statement said "medical details" not "medical treatment" as you are implying.


  • #15
    Sport101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Sport101


    T runner wrote: »
    The IAAF have cleared her for competition, she is female that is all you or I need to know. If you think the IAAF are lying then please elaborate. Notice the statement said "medical details" not "medical treatment" as you are implying.

    Sure, I realise I'm speculating. But why make that statement? And why did it take that long? It leaves the issue open to speculation. Was she not a woman 9 months ago?


  • #16
    Rineanna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭Rineanna


    Guys, any chance we drop the smut please. While it may be banter, it's not only Adults who read these fora.


  • #17
    Pisco Sour
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,029 ✭✭✭Pisco Sour


    Sport101 wrote: »
    You mean this dude?
    Kratochvilova.jpg

    No sex tests required... noone brave enough to perform them.

    How on earth do the IAAF still recognise some of these records! Its madness! Thats all I'll say!


  • #18
    T runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    Sport101 wrote: »
    Sure, I realise I'm speculating. But why make that statement? And why did it take that long? It leaves the issue open to speculation. Was she not a woman 9 months ago?

    OK, you are speculating. The phrase "medical details" doesnt imply anything more than her medical details (results of her tests) which should be confidential for her as they should be for you, me or anyone else. You are speculating based on media rumours that she had an operation, not on the IAAF statement.
    Give her a break, shes only a young girl.


  • #19
    Sport101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Sport101


    T runner wrote: »
    You are speculating based on media rumours that she had an operation, not on the IAAF statement.
    No, I was speculating that she had undergone hormonal treatment for an existing condition.

    Which this atricle seems to confirm:
    http://www.sport24.co.za/OtherSport/Athletics/Caster-had-hormonal-treatment-20100707


  • #20
    T runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    Sport101 wrote: »
    No, I was speculating that she had undergone hormonal treatment for an existing condition.

    Which this atricle seems to confirm:
    http://www.sport24.co.za/OtherSport/Athletics/Caster-had-hormonal-treatment-20100707

    You said that the IAAF statement was what caused the speculation. Now you're admitting it was not the IAAF statment but an unsubstantiated article (no-one willing to be quoted therefore unsubstantiated).
    Can you give her a break now and stop speculating? If you have no facts then let it be.


  • #21
    ecoli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Running in Finland on Thursday will be interesting to see how she gets on. Has already said she is not fully fit yet (backed up by a 600m time trial which took place last week). Suprised she opted to race in Finland when she pulled out of WJC that weekend citing she not fit though it may be she doesnt have the stamina to contend through the rounds


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  • #22
    Sport101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Sport101


    T runner wrote: »
    You said that the IAAF statement was what caused the speculation. Now you're admitting it was not the IAAF statment but an unsubstantiated article (no-one willing to be quoted therefore unsubstantiated).
    Can you give her a break now and stop speculating? If you have no facts then let it be.
    Actually I read that article afterwards. But to quote Pier Weiss, the general secretary of the IAAF "She is a woman but maybe not 100%." That clears it up then!


  • #23
    T runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    Sport101 wrote: »
    Actually I read that article afterwards. But to quote Pier Weiss, the general secretary of the IAAF "She is a woman but maybe not 100%." That clears it up then!

    Whatever. Again, you have no facts. Let it be, stop speculating and leave her alone


  • #24
    horsebox1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭horsebox1977


    If Usain Bolt was suffering from a gender disorder - we would have to accept Usain as a women.
    Does that make it fair when Usain is competing against women at the Olympics?
    Would this be a level playing field?

    It's only a matter of time before this actually happens.
    (I work with 2 people who have made the transition and be to honest at this stage no body bats an eyelid)


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