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Video - Israeli soldiers appear to mock call to prayer

  • 08-07-2010 10:36PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭mrboswell


    Latest two fingers to Palestine by the IDF....



    IDF patrol set up a dance routine during a muslim call to prayer in Hebron and record it.

    And they wonder why Palestinians don't like them.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭TheInquisitor


    They look fair gay holding hands and skipping. That is all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    mrboswell wrote: »
    Latest two fingers to Palestine by the IDF....


    And they wonder why Palestinians don't like them.

    I imagine they stopped wondering after the first few terrorist rocket attacks.:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,494 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    *This concludes part 4 of Israeli Martial Arts 101*..

    ..*Please turn to Chapter 5; '16 Ways to Kick a Palestinian Woman in the Back'*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    It hurts me as a human being that someone exerted the effort to post this nonsense when children are dying for lack of medical aid.

    Wont somebody think of the children?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭dan719


    Insert criticism of Israel without any proof that the video has not been altered.:rolleyes:

    Why would the IDF give a damn about the feelings of people who are trying to kill them?

    I'd dance five times a day if I were them.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    And yet another (poor) attempt to promote anti Israeli feeling surfaces.

    While Ireland sinks deeper into the morass of economic difficulties and while thousands of our work force are without work,a coterie of people here continue to use the forum as a vehicle to broadcast their bile and viturpitude against Israel, as if that state was central to all that happens in this country and our people, and it's behaviour politically, is of vital importance to our day to day interests.

    I'm downright baffled, so I am.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭mrboswell


    Nijmegen wrote: »

    Didn't look at them all but they don't seem to be during a call to prayer.

    Israel stole this land based on a religion and it soldiers mock another religion. Thats just moronic hypocrisy. I don't know why I should expect any better of a country that breeds hatred into its people.


    And yet another (poor) attempt to promote anti Israeli feeling surfaces.

    While Ireland sinks deeper into the morass of economic difficulties and while thousands of our work force are without work,a coterie of people here continue to use the forum as a vehicle to broadcast their bile and viturpitude against Israel, as if that state was central to all that happens in this country and our people, and it's behaviour politically, is of vital importance to our day to day interests.

    I'm downright baffled, so I am.

    I don't need or want to promote other persons anti Israeli feeling - Israel is well capable of doing that all by itself. The conspiracy theory section is elsewhere.

    I can see you are baffled by your post - nothing new there. Just because you use lots of big words doesn't mean you are saying anything sensible.
    The fact is so that long as there is a conflict people will take sides - please don't surface with rubbish when someone doesn't join "your side".

    If you like, I choose my side due to state directed violations of human rights against an occupied population.
    Although the video really has nothing to do with my stance, I just wanted to point out to boards members such as yourself that its not a case of "Israel bashing" for the sake of it. Most of the anti Israeli feeling that you seem to go on about is self inflicted.

    If I saw a similar video of Palestinians I would post it also, however a video camera probably wouldn't have made it over the border, since it might be used against the IDF to make them look bad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭mrboswell


    dan719 wrote: »
    Insert criticism of Israel without any proof that the video has not been altered.:rolleyes:

    Why would the IDF give a damn about the feelings of people who are trying to kill them?

    I'd dance five times a day if I were them.

    That will just go around in circles while you get tired dancing, badly probably.
    Fact is it just throwing fuel on fire.

    Please consider that not all Palestinians should be persecuted for the beliefs and actions of a few.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    mrboswell wrote: »
    Didn't look at them all but they don't seem to be during a call to prayer.

    Maybe you don't realise it but there are 5 calls to prayer every day. Its a coincidence that the soldiers did their routine during a call to prayer.

    This really is the thinnest excuse to post an anti-israeli thread yet, its just a bunch of soldiers having a laugh and releasing tension. end of.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Presumably they're not muslim and there were no muslims standing in front of them at the time, so who cares what they do during the call to prayer?

    I sometimes laugh at the images shown on the Angelus on RTE, if I don't turn it off first.

    Why should they do anything other than whatever the hell they like just because a different religion is enacting one of its rituals?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭mrboswell


    Maybe you don't realise it but there are 5 calls to prayer every day. Its a coincidence that the soldiers did their routine during a call to prayer.

    This really is the thinnest excuse to post an anti-israeli thread yet, its just a bunch of soldiers having a laugh and releasing tension. end of.

    I doubt that - if it wasn't during a call to prayer they may not have made it back to upload the video.

    Anyway this thing works both ways - its amazing how anyone who makes a comment that is not "pro israeli" is accused of being "anti israeli", and vice versa.

    If you read my previous posts you would realise that this in not an anti Israeli post - I'm pointing out that the lack of sensitivity in a highly sensitive situation helps no one and just adds fuel to the fire. If the shoe was on the other foot I'd do the same.

    If anything its highly insensitive, whether coincidence or not, and bound to provoke a reaction. Probably not a good one.
    I like to think that they'd know better but I'm not convinced. Recording it is one thing, posting it to the internet only serves to give the 2 fingers.

    @ Seamus - as I said its only throwing fuel on the fire, its just not helping - but you are right - they do tend to do what the hell they like, regardless of what anyone thinks. That is unfortunate for ALL concerned in the situation, on both sides.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    seamus wrote: »
    Presumably they're not muslim and there were no muslims standing in front of them at the time, so who cares what they do during the call to prayer?

    I sometimes laugh at the images shown on the Angelus on RTE, if I don't turn it off first.

    Why should they do anything other than whatever the hell they like just because a different religion is enacting one of its rituals?

    Well, maybe because there in someone elses country, protecting a group of there own insane Religous nutters. Personally, the IDF can dance there hearts out back in Israel, but they have no business in Hebron at all.

    Also, if they were deliberately mocking the call to prayer in Hebron, which is a powder keg, then that is to put it simply, a very foolish thing to do. No need to enflame a situation that could kick off at any time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    wes wrote: »
    Well, maybe because there in someone elses country, protecting a group of there own insane Religous nutters. Personally, the IDF can dance there hearts out back in Israel, but they have no business in Hebron at all.

    Also, if they were deliberately mocking the call to prayer in Hebron, which is a powder keg, then that is to put it simply, a very foolish thing to do. No need to enflame a situation that could kick off at any time.

    Maybe there is no fun in your angsty world but these were a few soldiers relieving a bit of tension. The vast majority of IDF soldiers are from a secular backround and would probably prefer to be in Israel so you can forgive them for having a bit of a laugh.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Funniest thing I've seen in the Politics forum for a long while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭mrboswell


    Maybe there is no fun in your angsty world but these were a few soldiers relieving a bit of tension. The vast majority of IDF soldiers are from a secular backround and would probably prefer to be in Israel so you can forgive them for having a bit of a laugh.

    Would you forgive Hamas for having a laugh at dead IDF soldiers they killed in Hebron? I doubt it.

    If a neighbor of mine offended me I would tell them I was offended and ask them not to do it again.
    In a highly strung place such as Hebron it could have been a case of Hamas using general Israei policy to shoot first and say "apologise for what later". Dead IDF soldiers wouldn't help anyone in the long run. Would you say it was their own fault for having a laugh or Hamas' fault for being offended and taking action against an occupying force that they perceived to be mocking them?

    Cop on goes a long way...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    mrboswell wrote: »
    Would you forgive Hamas for having a laugh at dead IDF soldiers they killed in Hebron? I doubt it.

    If a neighbor of mine offended me I would tell them I was offended and ask them not to do it again.
    In a highly strung place such as Hebron it could have been a case of Hamas using general Israei policy to shoot first and say "apologise for what later". Dead IDF soldiers wouldn't help anyone in the long run. Would you say it was their own fault for having a laugh or Hamas' fault for being offended and taking action against an occupying force that they perceived to be mocking them?

    Cop on goes a long way...

    Where are you getting dead israeli soldiers from?

    Seems like the IDF soldiers are able to deal with tension a lot easier than you are, you need to chill out. You're making a way WAY bigger deal out of this than it deserves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Maybe there is no fun in your angsty world but these were a few soldiers relieving a bit of tension. The vast majority of IDF soldiers are from a secular backround and would probably prefer to be in Israel so you can forgive them for having a bit of a laugh.

    If they want to feel stress free, maybe they should stay on their own side of the border.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭mrboswell


    Where are you getting dead israeli soldiers from?

    Seems like the IDF soldiers are able to deal with tension a lot easier than you are, you need to chill out. You're making a way WAY bigger deal out of this than it deserves.

    Sorry if I didn't make it clear.

    If the soldiers had have been attacked and killed would it have been so funny??? Would it have been deserved? No but it certainly is foolish of them to do such a thing.

    I'm an atheist but I can see how certain people would be highly offended.

    In a high strung situation its a time bomb which could easily turn into a way bigger deal. The IDF could easily have shown more respect and cop on that they did. More respect and cop on was deserved.

    Thanks for the advice though Dr, but I think I'll decide what I make a big deal out of - just like you do ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Nodin wrote: »
    If they want to feel stress free, maybe they should stay on their own side of the border.

    They are conscript soldiers, they have to follow orders, they can't pick and choose where they are stationed.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,384 ✭✭✭gbee


    mrboswell wrote: »
    Israel stole this land based on a religion and it soldiers mock another religion. Thats just moronic hypocrisy. .

    I'd say they are being honest. They think it's funny, and I remember in Ireland when the mid-day Angelus caused traffic to stop and most people drop to their knees and take out Rosary Beads.

    I though that was just too funny for words, and I only 5 then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭mrboswell


    gbee wrote: »
    I'd say they are being honest. They think it's funny, and I remember in Ireland when the mid-day Angelus caused traffic to stop and most people drop to their knees and take out Rosary Beads.

    I though that was just too funny for words, and I only 5 then.

    Look I hear ya - but with everything going on over there - and something like this comes up - you wonder will it ever end? Do the parties involved really want it to?

    I may well have have been just a insensitive joke to them but like it or not it has bigger implications (or at least has to potential to)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    Soldiers deal with stress in non-politically correct fashions. So what?

    There are 5 calls to prayer per day for one. Secondly, I don't go nuts if people don't stop and respectfully nod their heads at 6pm every day.

    Bleh, making a load of shi'ite out of nothing here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Maybe there is no fun in your angsty world but these were a few soldiers relieving a bit of tension. The vast majority of IDF soldiers are from a secular backround and would probably prefer to be in Israel so you can forgive them for having a bit of a laugh.

    Yeah, which doesn't change the fact, that they are in Hebron, and are protecting there own Religous nut jobs, as per orders from there supposedly democratically elected government. Hebron is a powder key, and anything could kick things off, so what would be harmless elsewhere, suddendly become insanely stupid and dangerous in Hebron. It isn't the dancing that is the issue, but where there doing it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Sand wrote: »
    It hurts me as a human being that someone exerted the effort to post this nonsense when children are dying for lack of medical aid.

    Wont somebody think of the children?

    Consistent, if nothing else.
    They are conscript soldiers, they have to follow orders, they can't pick and choose where they are stationed.

    Yes and no.
    http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article5901.shtml


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    wes wrote: »
    Yeah, which doesn't change the fact, that they are in Hebron, and are protecting there own Religous nut jobs, as per orders from there supposedly democratically elected government. Hebron is a powder key, and anything could kick things off, so what would be harmless elsewhere, suddendly become insanely stupid and dangerous in Hebron. It isn't the dancing that is the issue, but where there doing it.
    Irish army sat in the Leb for thirty years. God, the un-PC things we got up to makes me thank YouTube is a recent invention.

    Soliders have been, always will be, the least PC bunch of people in the world. The PC brigade will have about as much luck stamping that out as the other oldest profession.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Nijmegen wrote: »
    Soldiers deal with stress in non-politically correct fashions. So what?

    There are 5 calls to prayer per day for one. Secondly, I don't go nuts if people don't stop and respectfully nod their heads at 6pm every day.

    Bleh, making a load of shi'ite out of nothing here.

    Your forgetting the entire fact that IDF soldiers are protecting there own fundametalist nutters, who have made a huge chunk of Hebron off limits to the indigneous populace, and what would be fairly harmless dancing in any other place, can kick things off in Hebron.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    wes wrote: »
    Your forgetting the entire fact that IDF soldiers are protecting there own fundametalist nutters, who have made a huge chunk of Hebron off limits to the indigneous populace, and what would be fairly harmless dancing in any other place, can kick things off in Hebron.
    If soldiers were bunged up for every comment, action, face pulled or similar in the wrong place at the wrong time, there'd be very few outside of lockup.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Nijmegen wrote: »
    Irish army sat in the Leb for thirty years. God, the un-PC things we got up to makes me thank YouTube is a recent invention.

    They weren't occupation soldiers.
    Nijmegen wrote: »
    Soliders have been, always will be, the least PC bunch of people in the world. The PC brigade will have about as much luck stamping that out as the other oldest profession.

    The IDF can be un-pc all the like in Israel, but in a tense situation like Hebron, you need to show a bit of cop on. There protecting nutjobs, who have made huge chunks of the city off limits for Palestinians living there. People there already have every reason in the world to hate the IDF, and Israeli Religous nutters, so something stupid like this could easily spark violence in a tense situation. To put it simply, what they did was stupid, and I could care less about peoples obsession with political correctness, as it has feck all to do with my arguement, and shows that people would rather ignore the simple fact that Hebron is a powder keg, and instead go on about a non-existent pc brigade, and other such nonsense.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Nijmegen wrote: »
    If soldiers were bunged up for every comment, action, face pulled or similar in the wrong place at the wrong time, there'd be very few outside of lockup.

    Who said anything about locking anyone up? Also, soldiers aren't exempt from common sense btw, and I would think the IDF would have more sense than to do stupid crap in Hebron. If they want to blow off steam, they should go back to Israel.


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