Who started it?

veryangryman · 08-07-2010 9:15pm #1

When i think of all the petty squabbles ive had with people over the years to the point of forgetting who made who mad in the first place, i am drawn to an interesting question...

The north and all that - who started it? I can recall as far back as the Ulster Plantations and (i guess) irish landlords selling land to the British. Was there anything prior?

MagicMarker · 08-07-2010 9:16pm

The Greeks.

easyeason3 · 08-07-2010 9:18pm

Was there anything prior?[/QUOTE]

Don't think there's anyone old enough here to post.

fontanalis · 08-07-2010 9:18pm

Then there's the Dal Riada, who I think invaded Scotland replacing Pictish with Gaelic (the Romans calleed irish people Scotti and there was an old irish Goddess called Scotta), either way hilarity will prevail in this thread.

Smcgie · 08-07-2010 9:20pm

Brummytoms crew!

Mac Masters · 08-07-2010 9:21pm

Well the North have been fighting for their right to marry their cousins I believe and I believe we were against it!

AlmightyCushion · 08-07-2010 9:21pm

I don't know who the fúck it was but I'm blaming it on those stupid vuvuzelas.

MidlandsM · 08-07-2010 9:21pm

I blame the Vikings for the kip that is Dublin.

who what when · 08-07-2010 9:22pm

I woulda thought the norman invasion in 1169 was pretty much the start of it! Long time before the plantations!

alwaysadub · 08-07-2010 9:22pm

Smcgie wrote: »

Brummytoms crew!

Virgins?

Rented Mule · 08-07-2010 9:23pm

alwaysadub wrote: »

Virgins?

Send in The Whores !!!

ejmaztec · 08-07-2010 9:23pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I don't know who the fúck it was but I'm blaming it on those stupid vuvuzelas.

They're completely Caracas those Vuvuzelans.

fontanalis · 08-07-2010 9:24pm

Mac Masters wrote: »

Well the North have been fighting for their right to marry their cousins I believe and I believe we were against it!

Was that before or after they stole the lemon tree?

fontanalis · 08-07-2010 9:25pm

who what when wrote: »

I woulda thought the norman invasion in 1169 was pretty much the start of it! Long time before the plantations!

Isn't the whole Norman thing messy (they're basically recycled Vikings), Alot of infighting between Irish Kings? And English Kings infighting which got the Normans there in the first place.

ejmaztec · 08-07-2010 9:27pm

who what when wrote: »

I woulda thought the norman invasion in 1169 was pretty much the start of it! Long time before the plantations!

Smart move by the French, getting everybody to blame the English.

The Express · 08-07-2010 9:27pm

Who started it in Northern Ireland? Who gives a f*cuk?

We've enough problems down here, without any of this United Ireland malarky.

Float that septic province off into the North Atlantic and give us all a bit of peace.

fontanalis · 08-07-2010 9:28pm

ejmaztec wrote: »

Smart move by the French, getting everybody to blame the English.

They were Vikings who forced the French to give them land.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollo

Mint Sauce · 08-07-2010 9:29pm

we didn't start the fire

DubMedic · 08-07-2010 9:29pm

You actually want to approach the topic of the ongoing conflict in northern ireland in a serious manner, in AH?.

This thread will end well.

Pittens · 08-07-2010 9:30pm

Then there's the Dal Riada, who I think invaded Scotland replacing Pictish with Gaelic

Am, no. The Dal Riada was a a Scottish and Western Scottish Gaelic speaking group. The picts merged and spoke Gaelic for cultural reasons.

What started the problems in the North was British Colonialism. I know, I know we should be blaiming us, or saying - era, there;s two of them in it - or making references to the mythical fir bolg.

But, What started the problems in the North was British Colonialism.

Edit:

Oh, crap. Am I in AH?

Sorry what started it was Mary Harny and your ma.

Executive Steve · 08-07-2010 9:31pm

MidlandsM wrote: »

I blame the Vikings for the kip that is Dublin.

Can't afford a house here?

fontanalis · 08-07-2010 9:33pm

Pittens wrote: »

Am, no. The Dal Riada was a a Scottish and Western Scottish Gaelic speaking group. The picts merged and spoke Gaelic for cultural reasons.

What started the problems in the North was British Colonialism. I know, I know we should be blaiming us, or saying - era, there;s two of them in it - or making references to the mythical fir bolg.

But, What started the problems in the North was British Colonialism.

Edit:

Oh, crap. Am I in AH?

Sorry what started it was Mary Harny and your ma.

Was there not some initial movement from Ulster? Not trying to tie it in with the troubles but just showing how there was alot of back and forth movement and interaction back in the day.

ejmaztec · 08-07-2010 9:36pm

fontanalis wrote: »

They were Vikings who forced the French to give them land.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollo

Smart move by the Vikings to pretend that they were French, then get everybody to blame the English.:eek:

Superbus · 08-07-2010 9:41pm

Glancing through a book on British and Irish history, it seems that the first violence between Britain and Ireland was a series of raids from Ireland by the Scotti tribe, in the 3rd Century AD, attacks made upon Roman Britain.

Then there was Vikings, Normans and I think the first specific colonisation of the North, segregating it from the rest of the island, would have been the plantations. So the first violence was Irish, then toing and froing, then English plantations.

It's everyone's fault really.

fontanalis · 08-07-2010 9:46pm

ejmaztec wrote: »

Smart move by the Vikings to pretend that they were French, then get everybody to blame the English.:eek:

Apparently Vikki the Viking was the worst of the lot.

Dravokivich · 08-07-2010 9:47pm

fontanalis wrote: »

Isn't the whole Norman thing messy (they're basically recycled Vikings), Alot of infighting between Irish Kings? And English Kings infighting which got the Normans there in the first place.

The Normans were invited in by an Irish King/Chief that wanted to pay'em off as mercenaries... Cant remember the guys name off hand now... think it was McDermot... was from Wexford anyway...

Normans walked across the country and thought... fúck McDermot...

So really the first time Ireland was invaded was by the French...

Vikings... they were just pillagers that settled in...