Stupid Motorway Users!!!!!

Gazzydee

Again today as i came onto the M50 at cherrywood heading northbound i came on to the slip road and accelrated to get up tu the speed of the motorway and the car infront of me i assumed was doing the same untill i realised she was stikking tu roughly 70kph coming on to 120kph stretch of road there was a car behind me doing the same speed as me if not faster and if i had have hit the brakes i would have caused a huge accident. so instead i drove at the speed and checked my mirrors blind spot no cars behind me and indicated and pulled out. Nothing i did was illegal or dangerous to me anyway as i did all the usual checks before coming on to the motorway, and the response from the driver i got was flashing of the lights and fingers and hands out the window!! from the woman i might add, in the black suzuki swift doing nearly half the speed recommended by the RSA on this stretch of motorway!!

Ireland claims to have such a high death rate relating to "speed" but there researchers sit in an office and read reports. I could safely say that the majority of road deaths and accidents are down to SLOW drivers!

Jeremy Clarkson once said "Speed does not kill, its the people who brake and go below the speed limit that causes the car driving behind to have to hit the brakes that causes the accidents"

The sad thing is that no matter what you say no one will listen!!

On the Autobahn in Germany you get kicked off the motorway for goin under 80mph on some parts if that rule was enforced in here in Ireland then there would be almost 0 accidents and road deaths on motorways!!!!!!!

Gumbo

next time, report them.
ring the garda and tell them the make and model and reg of the car, where they are and tell them they are driving dangerously slow on the motorway.

EPM

Would it have killed you to wait until you were both safely on the motorway before making any move? You need to keep in the flow of traffic in that situation.

Getting up to speed is fine and dandy but you need to pay attention to the car in front and matching their speed at a safe distance. Not slamming on the brakes because you judged it wrong.

And I don't mean to sound all high and mighty by saying that. Agree that slow drivers are a menace on the roads but you just need to take it handy when you're stuck behind them;)

Gazzydee

Ive done that countless of times. The guards dont bother with anything like that.

Plus where would I have the free hands to take down this information or even take my eyes off the road for that matter lol !

Gazzydee

EPM wrote: »

Would it have killed you to wait until you were both safely on the motorway before making any move? You need to keep in the flow of traffic in that situation.

Getting up to speed is fine and dandy but you need to pay attention to the car in front and matching their speed at a safe distance. Not slamming on the brakes because you judged it wrong.

And I don't mean to sound all high and mighty by saying that. Agree that slow drivers are a menace on the roads but you just need to take it handy when you're stuck behind them;)

I didnt have to slam on the brakes but it was the reaction i got that pissed me off as if i was in the wrong when she is an accident waiting to happen!!

glic71rods46t0

Gazzydee wrote: »

Again today as i came onto the M50 at cherrywood heading northbound i came on to the slip road and accelrated to get up tu the speed of the motorway and the car infront of me i assumed was doing the same untill i realised she was stikking tu roughly 70kph coming on to 120kph stretch of road there was a car behind me doing the same speed as me if not faster and if i had have hit the brakes i would have caused a huge accident. so instead i drove at the speed and checked my mirrors blind spot no cars behind me and indicated and pulled out. Nothing i did was illegal or dangerous to me anyway as i did all the usual checks before coming on to the motorway, and the response from the driver i got was flashing of the lights and fingers and hands out the window!! from the woman i might add, in the black suzuki swift doing nearly half the speed recommended by the RSA on this stretch of motorway!!

Ireland claims to have such a high death rate relating to "speed" but there researchers sit in an office and read reports. I could safely say that the majority of road deaths and accidents are down to SLOW drivers!

Jeremy Clarkson once said "Speed does not kill, its the people who brake and go below the speed limit that causes the car driving behind to have to hit the brakes that causes the accidents"

The sad thing is that no matter what you say no one will listen!!

On the Autobahn in Germany you get kicked off the motorway for goin under 80mph on some parts if that rule was enforced in here in Ireland then there would be almost 0 accidents and road deaths on motorways!!!!!!!

Solution: pull in, in front of the slow moving car and gradually reduce your speed until you are going slower than she is. She then pulls into outer lane to get by you. You then match her speed in the inside lane, so that she cant get back in again, leaving her stranded in the outer lane. You only need to do this for a short time and she'll either have to increase her speed to an appropriate motorway speed or she'll get blasted out of it by other traffic. Either way she'll have learnt that she was doing a stupid speed and she'll learn a lesson.
One at a time, you'll learn 'em:cool:

PFL

Gazzydee wrote: »

Again today as i came onto the M50 at cherrywood heading northbound i came on to the slip road and accelrated to get up tu the speed of the motorway and the car infront of me i assumed was doing the same untill i realised she was stikking tu roughly 70kph coming on to 120kph stretch of road there was a car behind me doing the same speed as me if not faster and if i had have hit the brakes i would have caused a huge accident. so instead i drove at the speed and checked my mirrors blind spot no cars behind me and indicated and pulled out. Nothing i did was illegal or dangerous to me anyway as i did all the usual checks before coming on to the motorway, and the response from the driver i got was flashing of the lights and fingers and hands out the window!! from the woman i might add, in the black suzuki swift doing nearly half the speed recommended by the RSA on this stretch of motorway!!

Ireland claims to have such a high death rate relating to "speed" but there researchers sit in an office and read reports. I could safely say that the majority of road deaths and accidents are down to SLOW drivers!

Jeremy Clarkson once said "Speed does not kill, its the people who brake and go below the speed limit that causes the car driving behind to have to hit the brakes that causes the accidents"

The sad thing is that no matter what you say no one will listen!!

On the Autobahn in Germany you get kicked off the motorway for goin under 80mph on some parts if that rule was enforced in here in Ireland then there would be almost 0 accidents and road deaths on motorways!!!!!!!

Have to agree this is one of the most frustrating things I find about driving, best of roads in the Country and drivers doing 60kpm in a 100kpm zone and thinking they're being the safe ones. If the guards can give penalty points for speeding they really should do the same for lack of progress.

Tefral

49dho1e56syunc wrote: »

Solution: pull in, in front of the slow moving car and gradually reduce your speed until you are going slower than she is. She then pulls into outer lane to get by you. You then match her speed in the inside lane, so that she cant get back in again, leaving her stranded in the outer lane. You only need to do this for a short time and she'll either have to increase her speed to an appropriate motorway speed or she'll get blasted out of it by other traffic. Either way she'll have learnt that she was doing a stupid speed and she'll learn a lesson.
One at a time, you'll learn 'em:cool:

Thats also incredibly irresponsible... Regardless of the other person driving like a granny, what you suggested is just plain idiotic..

Gazzydee

Another one . . . Truck in the overtaking lane overtaking a truck, or shud i say trying to!!!!!!!

Truck on inside lane doing 75kph, truck in the overtaking lane doing 75.0001kph!!!!!!

glic71rods46t0

Gazzydee wrote: »

Another one . . . Truck in the overtaking lane overtaking a truck, or shud i say trying to!!!!!!!

Truck on inside lane doing 75kph, truck in the overtaking lane doing 75.0001kph!!!!!!

again, when truck pulls back in, overtake him and pull in further up, slowing your speed down. Then when he decides to overtake you, match his speed and leave him out there stranded in the overtaking lane, where he is not allowed to be. Leave him there for a mile (as long as you dont have any traffic to hold you back in the "slow" lane). He will be suitably chastened by the experience to think twice about doing it again. One at a tiime, you'll learn 'em:cool:

deadbloke

I failed my first driving test for driving too slowly. 30-something kph in a 50kph zone, I believe.

On the Autobahn in Germany you get kicked off the motorway for goin under 80mph on some parts if that rule was enforced in here in Ireland then there would be almost 0 accidents and road deaths on motorways!!!!!!!

It's also common to see minimum speeds in France, Spain and Portugal, and probably every other sensible country.

peasant

49dho1e56syunc wrote: »

Solution: pull in, in front of the slow moving car and gradually reduce your speed until you are going slower than she is. She then pulls into outer lane to get by you. You then match her speed in the inside lane, so that she cant get back in again, leaving her stranded in the outer lane. You only need to do this for a short time and she'll either have to increase her speed to an appropriate motorway speed or she'll get blasted out of it by other traffic. Either way she'll have learnt that she was doing a stupid speed and she'll learn a lesson.
One at a time, you'll learn 'em:cool:

Trying to "teach" people how to drive faster just makes you as "clever" as them trying to prove to you that slower is safer.

It's a feckin' motorway, not the kindergarden sandpit. Keep your safe distances, overtake normally, drive safely and avoid provocation

KamiKazi

These are new and exciting topics.

Gazzydee

U may have failed for driving too slow but it still does not excuse the fact that the Guards here do not enforce motorway rules here properly because everyday i see the same thing happening.

Maybe you yourself are one of the culprits!!

glic71rods46t0

peasant wrote: »

Trying to "teach" people how to drive faster just makes you as "clever" as them trying to prove to you that slower is safer.

It's a feckin' motorway, not the kindergarden sandpit. Keep your safe distances, overtake normally, drive safely and avoid provocation

Relax peasant, I'm being tongue in cheek - if i'm on the motorway I'm usually in a hurry and just want to get to my destination. I have thought about it for some special jerk-offs but have never done it. I was a passenger in a car where this was done though ...

Tefral

Gazzydee wrote: »

U may have failed for driving too slow but it still does not excuse the fact that the Guards here do not enforce motorway rules here properly because everyday i see the same thing happening.

Maybe you yourself are one of the culprits!!

Its not illegal to not do the speed limit ya know.. (UNFORTUNATELY)

Suppose driving along on a motorway doing 50km could be classified as careless driving.

glic71rods46t0

KamiKazi wrote: »

These are new and exciting topics.

You are an exciting person ... where is the sarcasm button?:D

ShiresV2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_curve

deadbloke

Gazzydee wrote: »

U may have failed for driving too slow but it still does not excuse the fact that the Guards here do not enforce motorway rules here properly because everyday i see the same thing happening.

Maybe you yourself are one of the culprits!!

cronin_j wrote: »

Its not illegal to not do the speed limit ya know.. (UNFORTUNATELY)

Suppose driving along on a motorway doing 50km could be classified as careless driving.

I keep to a safe speed to match conditions, thank you. And the fail was in a residential area, not the motorway.

Gazzydee

cronin_j wrote: »

Its not illegal to not do the speed limit ya know.. (UNFORTUNATELY)

Suppose driving along on a motorway doing 50km could be classified as careless driving.

Obstructing traffic, dangerous driving, careless driving, being an ass hole!

just some of the ways to describe these drivers!!! :P

shinikins

My sister is one of these crazy people who like to slow down before joining the motorway from the slip road. She will actually brake before moving from the slip into traffic! The first time i was in the car with her when she tried this i nearly had a sh1t hemmorage, but she see's nothing wrong with it-in fact it doesn't even register with her that she is doing it, and will deny her own actions! The sorry fact is that she is only driving 5 years, so she can hardly blame her instructor on not teaching her the modern way of driving, and even worse than that, she won't allow me to have her children in the car when i am driving because i am a "bad driver" (I passed first time with very few faults and i have had no accidents-she failed twice, and has had several minor accidents, many of which while she had the kids in the car-obviously I am a bad driver!!) She alos likes to hog the outside lane while crawling along, and will berate any driver who is forced to undertake. Its an attitude thing, she is of the opinion that she is entitled to drive in this manner as she has her little pink piece of paper that says she is entitled to drive.

Gazzydee

deadbloke wrote: »

I keep to a safe speed to match conditions, thank you. And the fail was in a residential area, not the motorway.

Im not talking about residential areas or rush hour! im talking about people at 12-3pm on the motorways with barely any cars in sight causing havoc!!!

Gazzydee

shinikins wrote: »

My sister is one of these crazy people who like to slow down before joining the motorway from the slip road. She will actually brake before moving from the slip into traffic! The first time i was in the car with her when she tried this i nearly had a sh1t hemmorage, but she see's nothing wrong with it-in fact it doesn't even register with her that she is doing it, and will deny her own actions! The sorry fact is that she is only driving 5 years, so she can hardly blame her instructor on not teaching her the modern way of driving, and even worse than that, she won't allow me to have her children in the car when i am driving because i am a "bad driver" (I passed first time with very few faults and i have had no accidents-she failed twice, and has had several minor accidents, many of which while she had the kids in the car-obviously I am a bad driver!!) She alos likes to hog the outside lane while crawling along, and will berate any driver who is forced to undertake. Its an attitude thing, she is of the opinion that she is entitled to drive in this manner as she has her little pink piece of paper that says she is entitled to drive.

i have been in a car with many people who do that kind of thing! but i mean yeah it can be down to attitude and all of that but ill admit i have bit of a led foot at times but i have never prevented someone from going faster than me ill happily pull in and alot of drivers to the same and a few even thank me for pulling in and i thank people alot to. its the way a motorway way should act. its just dangerous otherwise like ive explained what happend to me!

shinikins

I truely believe that to qualify for your driving license there should be a motorway test. So many people on the roads simply can't drive safely and reponsibly on the motorway, driving at extremely low speeds, darting out of their lane without indication or even checking their mirrors. An Irish motorway is probably the most dangerous place to drive on, when it should be one of the safest, regardless of the high speeds. After I passed my driving test i took some lessons with my driving instructor to learn how to act on the motorway, and apparently I was the first person she had heard of who did so! I need not have done so, as technically i was deemed competent to drive, but it was money well spent! there may be plenty of crazy people behind the wheel out there, but i'm not on of them!

hoodie6029

It comes down to a lack of understanding/knowledge and application of the basic driving skills, keep left, adjust you speed to suit the road conditions etc.
Fear is another reason for slow driving, expect the unexpected but don't fearful of it. If you're fearful while driving for whatever reason you shouldn't be on the road.
I never drove on the motorway before I passed my test, but my first time out there I just applied what I had been taught and I was fine. I will admit it was nerve wrecking at first.

mowhawk

Gazzydee wrote: »

Again today as i came onto the M50 at cherrywood heading northbound i came on to the slip road and accelrated to get up tu the speed of the motorway and the car infront of me i assumed was doing the same untill i realised she was stikking tu roughly 70kph coming on to 120kph stretch of road there was a car behind me doing the same speed as me if not faster and if i had have hit the brakes i would have caused a huge accident.

If you are driving correctly joining, driving on and exiting a motorway you should never have to touch your brake pedal at all (not even once). Match the speed of the traffic already on the motorway on joining, anticipate gaps for lane changing etc, and control your speed with the throttle pedal only and do not brake at all to reduce your speed until you are actually on the exit ramp when leaving the motorway. Of course this is dependent on other motorway users doing the same .

Jeremy Clarkson said this too so it must be true!

As for fencer, keep it up mate, I would love to be there the day an unmarked Garda car sees you giving the rest of us the benefit of your vast experience and dispensing high quality 'driving instruction' and you sitting there on the hard shoulder wondering why you are being done for dangerous driving.

glic71rods46t0

mowhawk wrote: »

As for fencer, keep it up mate, I would love to be there the day an unmarked Garda car sees you giving the rest of us the benefit of your vast experience and dispensing high quality 'driving instruction' and you sitting there on the hard shoulder wondering why you are being done for dangerous driving.

First off, I am not your "mate" - I dont know you at all, so lets keep it hetro;)
After that I can only recommend specsavers and then re-read my posts;)

Del2005

cronin_j wrote: »

Suppose driving along on a motorway doing 50km could be classified as careless driving.

How can it be careless driving when there's a big blue sign that says you can do this speed? Now doing 29km/h is illegal. I've never seen the Gardai pulling any tractors or combine harvesters on a motorway and I've seen the combine several times on the M50

corktina

I had the opposite to the OP yesterday...lady creeps down the slip road gets to the bottom, indicates right and goes straight out to the overtaking lane....nothing in the inside lane at all..... i had almost no choice but to undertake....sailed by her on the speed limiter...90km/h

R.O.R

corktina wrote: »

I had the opposite to the OP yesterday...lady creeps down the slip road gets to the bottom, indicates right and goes straight out to the overtaking lane....nothing in the inside lane at all..... i had almost no choice but to undertake....sailed by her on the speed limiter...90km/h

I'll see that, and raise you..........


Someone turning right at the bottom of the M1/M50 slip road :eek:

Happened on Monday morning around 07.00. Come down the slip on to the M50 in the inside lane and there is a white Almera Van on the hash marks pointing directly towards the central reservation. Waits for the traffic that was coming to pass, then pulls in to the outside lane - heading back towards the Roundabout.

I was on the main carriageway when said idiot got in to the outside lane (heading the wrong way) so was keeping an eye on the rear view to see what happened next (not too much in front). Thankfully, as soon as he/she saw traffic coming straight at them they pulled over to the hard shoulder.

Not sure how they will have managed to get out of the hard shoulder facing the wrong way. Didn't hear of any accident reports so the stupid c*nt must have managed not to kill anyone.

Makes you wonder sometimes.......

Blazer

shinikins wrote: »

My sister is one of these crazy people who like to slow down before joining the motorway from the slip road. She will actually brake before moving from the slip into traffic! The first time i was in the car with her when she tried this i nearly had a sh1t hemmorage, but she see's nothing wrong with it-in fact it doesn't even register with her that she is doing it, and will deny her own actions! The sorry fact is that she is only driving 5 years, so she can hardly blame her instructor on not teaching her the modern way of driving, and even worse than that, she won't allow me to have her children in the car when i am driving because i am a "bad driver" (I passed first time with very few faults and i have had no accidents-she failed twice, and has had several minor accidents, many of which while she had the kids in the car-obviously I am a bad driver!!) She alos likes to hog the outside lane while crawling along, and will berate any driver who is forced to undertake. Its an attitude thing, she is of the opinion that she is entitled to drive in this manner as she has her little pink piece of paper that says she is entitled to drive.

sorry but your sister is a cúnt of a driver...too many people on the roads like this...
I remember seeing guy doing 60kph on a sliproad before pulling directly onto the motorway without even looking...I made sure to stay way back as I watched about 10 cars all rapidly break and swerve to avoid the stupid bollix.
Anyone driving like this should be handed 6 penalty points asap..

djimi

cronin_j wrote: »

Its not illegal to not do the speed limit ya know.. (UNFORTUNATELY)

Suppose driving along on a motorway doing 50km could be classified as careless driving.

Isnt there a minimum speed limit on motorways, something like 30mph or 40mph? Im pretty sure if youre caught doing 30mph on an open motorway (ie not in heavy traffic) you can be pulled, but I could be wrong.

the_syco

Going off the M4, onto the N4 (which has a speed limit of 100), the car in front of me slows down to 60 for no reason. Flashed them until they moved out of my way. F**king numpties old woman.

cjt156

mowhawk wrote: »

If you are driving correctly joining, driving on and exiting a motorway you should never have to touch your brake pedal at all (not even once).

Unless, of course, a car ahead of you is also merging, but too slow to do so, trapping you in the on-ramp. Which is what the OP described. And is something I see regularly.

keithclancy

Gazzydee wrote: »

On the Autobahn in Germany you get kicked off the motorway for goin under 80mph on some parts if that rule was enforced in here in Ireland then there would be almost 0 accidents and road deaths on motorways!!!!!!!

130 km/h is the maximum recommended speed, most people drive at 120, i'd say only 20 % (as a guess) drive over 130.


Alot of the unrestricted roads are too shít to drive faster than that anyway.

Viper_JB

mowhawk wrote: »

As for fencer, keep it up mate, I would love to be there the day an unmarked Garda car sees you giving the rest of us the benefit of your vast experience and dispensing high quality 'driving instruction' and you sitting there on the hard shoulder wondering why you are being done for dangerous driving.

I actually like his idea these people won't learn untill they either kill someone or have a big crash or both. Surely some education is the better alternative god knows the RSA sure as hell ain't gonna do it.

limklad

shinikins wrote: »

My sister is one of these crazy people who like to slow down before joining the motorway from the slip road. She will actually brake before moving from the slip into traffic! The first time i was in the car with her when she tried this i nearly had a sh1t hemmorage, but she see's nothing wrong with it-in fact it doesn't even register with her that she is doing it, and will deny her own actions! The sorry fact is that she is only driving 5 years, so she can hardly blame her instructor on not teaching her the modern way of driving, and even worse than that, she won't allow me to have her children in the car when i am driving because i am a "bad driver" (I passed first time with very few faults and i have had no accidents-she failed twice, and has had several minor accidents, many of which while she had the kids in the car-obviously I am a bad driver!!) She alos likes to hog the outside lane while crawling along, and will berate any driver who is forced to undertake. Its an attitude thing, she is of the opinion that she is entitled to drive in this manner as she has her little pink piece of paper that says she is entitled to drive.

Driving Instructors cannot take any learner on a Motorway because they (Provisional drivers) are banned from driving on a Motorway.

Saying that Driving Instructors must be the bravest people on the planet with handing over their lives to Provisional drivers. There badly needs to be simulators or off road Driving locations for Driving before taking people onto the roads and simulate all kinds of Weather and road conditions.

I am in favour of people repeating their Driving test every ten years, less if you have X number of penalty points or persistent in Court for driving offences, so they are updated on current safety laws. If their insurance costs goes up, then they won't be long improving their driving skills and attitude!

limklad

RSA is just a mouth piece nothing else.

Traffic Corps needs to enforce current laws and better driving skills, until then we will be talking about poor driving standard for donkey years to come..

Viper_JB

limklad wrote: »

RSA is just a mouth piece nothing else.

Traffic Corps needs to enforce current laws and better driving skills, until then we will be talking about poor driving standard for donkey years to come..

I've actually come to the conclusion that no one in the RSA has a car or drives for themselves.

fullstop

ShiresV2 wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_curve

That graph is a bit out of date!

corktina wrote: »

I had the opposite to the OP yesterday...lady creeps down the slip road gets to the bottom, indicates right and goes straight out to the overtaking lane....nothing in the inside lane at all..... i had almost no choice but to undertake....sailed by her on the speed limiter...90km/h

I had some idiot do this on the M1 recently. I pulled out into the overtaking lane to let them merge and they pulled straight across in front of me...and proceeded to sit at 100kph. I flashed and blew the horn a few times and ended up having to undertake them, fcuking idiots. A number of cars behind me had to do the same.

CarMuppet

There seem to be two types of drivers on this little planet:

1): People who want to drive.

2): People who have to drive.

The first group tend to be enthusiasts or love their cars and the thrill of driving (most people here).

The later tend to be initially quite timid @ the start.

My wife has a friend who will only drive on pre-rehearsed routes. If there is a diversion she is in trouble. She is scared behind the wheel but needs to drive from her home to her job every day. There is no public transport system that will take her on this route. She said if she never had to drive again she would be very happy. She simply hates driving. The same girl is highly qualified (not dumb!) works for a pharmaceutical company making drugs to cure people of horrible ailments.

My point is this; a good/excellent driver will maintain a cocoon of safely around his/her vehicle at all times. He/she will be able to stop his/her car safely, in his/her lane in the distance he/she sees to be clear. Abiding to this rule of thumb if you encounter a novice driver, or even a lunatic, you should be able to avoid a collision without much fuss. It might be annoying etc, but at least no one gets hurt including (and more importantly) the cars!


Most of the posts here actually state that the poster can see a problem growing in the distance, but choose not to change their speed or course to avoid an issue. Instead brake hard in order to “teach the other person a lesson”.

WRT Driving instructors, I’m not too sure the standard of all instructors are brilliant.. like any profession.. some are fair some are excellent. I’ve seen professional guys in the full kitted out cars ( Big ‘L’ pyramid on the roof) doing some real silly stuff in towns… why? Because they too have 15 years under their belt and take shortcuts.

WRT to the driving exam; it really bears no real resemblance to everyday driving. The examiner will just get a ‘feeling’ whether the person can control the car to some degree. Some of the things not tested (or can’t test for are):

- Tyre blow out
- High speed Motorway driving & etiquette
- Front wheel skid & recovery
- Rear wheel skid & recovery
- 4 wheel skid & recovery
- Cadence braking (most L drivers drive older cars with no-abs) & REAL LIFE emergency braking.
- Swerving
- Malfunction of controls
- Aquaplaning.
- Snow / Ice driving
- Overtaking

It’s a cruel reality the for many drivers the first time they encounter a high speed skid it’s the last thing they see.


/RANT


Cheers,
CarMuppet

bongi69

Viper_JB wrote: »

I've actually come to the conclusion that no one in the RSA has a car or drives for themselves.

+1

According to the RSA I'm the most dangerous person on the roads of this country. I'm a 23yr old young fella so the RSA/Gaybo assums that I race around housing estates at 80KMH with rap music blaring from my 12" sub paying more attention to texting my mates while at the wheel. And since I've had my full licence less than 12 months, I should not be allowed passengers in the car, so when my partner goes into labour, she can forget me driving her to the hospital or bringing her and the baby home because I'm a menace in the RSA's eyes. [/Rant at RSA]

I will admit, I used the M50 when I had my Learners. It was more of a necessity as I had to pick up someone from the airport, and before I attempted it I looked up the Rules of the Road on motorway driving, followed the rules and I was fine. And please, no high horses, I am fully aware that what I did was wrong.

Now a daily M50 user, I see all of the stuff mentioned before almost daily. Remember I'm supposed to be the menace, but too many times I've been making my way along in the left lane at 100KMH, and some oul one from Gaybo's generation will merge at 60KMH, will full disregard for the rules of the road which state one should match speed before merging. If there is no space for me to move into lane 2, the ABS gets a work out.

The TV ads are a waste of our taxpayers money, the roundabout one did nothing, and neither has the motorway one. Instead of chastising young drivers, motormouth Gaybo (who may I add has no relevant qualification for his position) should maybe address real problems on our roads, not the ones he thinks are the real problems

Edit: A few years ago I went to Florida with the partner and her family. Her dad rented a car, and on our way to the hotel he got pulled over by the cops for doing 50MPH on the highway. They have a minimum speed of 55MPH. He didn't get a ticket as the cop was a little lenient, but got a stern talking to. Considering the max speed on a highway there is 70, thats a 15MPH band to drive within, or the cops will pull you.

Cookie_Monster

shinikins wrote: »

My sister is one of these crazy people who like to slow down before joining the motorway from the slip road. She will actually brake before moving from the slip into traffic! The first time i was in the car with her when she tried this i nearly had a sh1t hemmorage, but she see's nothing wrong with it-in fact it doesn't even register with her that she is doing it, and will deny her own actions! The sorry fact is that she is only driving 5 years, so she can hardly blame her instructor on not teaching her the modern way of driving, and even worse than that, she won't allow me to have her children in the car when i am driving because i am a "bad driver" (I passed first time with very few faults and i have had no accidents-she failed twice, and has had several minor accidents, many of which while she had the kids in the car-obviously I am a bad driver!!) She alos likes to hog the outside lane while crawling along, and will berate any driver who is forced to undertake. Its an attitude thing, she is of the opinion that she is entitled to drive in this manner as she has her little pink piece of paper that says she is entitled to drive.

you should get her a copy of the ROR for her next birthday / christmas. she may even take some of it on-board before she kills somebody with driving like that.

OldmanMondeo

the_syco wrote: »

Going off the M4, onto the N4 (which has a speed limit of 100), the car in front of me slows down to 60 for no reason. Flashed them until they moved out of my way. F**king numpties old woman.

You sure, thought it went from 120kph to 80kph? or is there a more gradual slow down, 120kph - 100kph - 80kph?

alanmc

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

You sure, thought it went from 120kph to 80kph? or is there a more gradual slow down, 120kph - 100kph - 80kph?

Nope, definitely 100Kph (at Mary Lynch's pub). For my sins, I have to travel it everyday. It's weird cos some people think the motorway ends at the Kinnegad exit and start slowing there. :eek:

OldmanMondeo

alanmc wrote: »

Nope, definitely 100Kph (at Mary Lynch's pub). For my sins, I have to travel it everyday. It's weird cos some people think the motorway ends at the Kinnegad exit and start slowing there. :eek:

I was thinking the other end Leixlip/ Lucan, I know the Mary Lynch end ok.

alanmc

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

I was thinking the other end Leixlip/ Lucan, I know the Mary Lynch end ok.

Yeah, you're right. That end does drop from 120kph to 80kph in one fell swoop.

superflyninja

shinikins wrote: »

My sister is one of these crazy people who like to slow down before joining the motorway from the slip road. She will actually brake before moving from the slip into traffic! The first time i was in the car with her when she tried this i nearly had a sh1t hemmorage, but she see's nothing wrong with it-in fact it doesn't even register with her that she is doing it, and will deny her own actions! The sorry fact is that she is only driving 5 years, so she can hardly blame her instructor on not teaching her the modern way of driving, and even worse than that, she won't allow me to have her children in the car when i am driving because i am a "bad driver" (I passed first time with very few faults and i have had no accidents-she failed twice, and has had several minor accidents, many of which while she had the kids in the car-obviously I am a bad driver!!) She alos likes to hog the outside lane while crawling along, and will berate any driver who is forced to undertake. Its an attitude thing, she is of the opinion that she is entitled to drive in this manner as she has her little pink piece of paper that says she is entitled to drive.

No offence but she sounds like a pl!ck.Driving is a learning process.People who refuse to learn dont get no repec' off me!

limklad

CarMuppet wrote: »

WRT to the driving exam; it really bears no real resemblance to everyday driving. The examiner will just get a ‘feeling’ whether the person can control the car to some degree. Some of the things not tested (or can’t test for are):

- Tyre blow out
- High speed Motorway driving & etiquette
- Front wheel skid & recovery
- Rear wheel skid & recovery
- 4 wheel skid & recovery
- Cadence braking (most L drivers drive older cars with no-abs) & REAL LIFE emergency braking.
- Swerving
- Malfunction of controls
- Aquaplaning.
- Snow / Ice driving
- Overtaking

It’s a cruel reality the for many drivers the first time they encounter a high speed skid it’s the last thing they see.


/RANT


Cheers,
CarMuppet

I agree with the driving exam revamp but need need off road driving centres and simulators of car similar to airplane simulators, that you must pass before been allowed onto the road on a Provisional Licence.

If pass above 95% on a rigorous Driving test (Not like current test) then put in to a new higher driving class and if you pass that, then you are entitled to much cheaper Insurance. This would reward good motorists.

Also include everything above on all Professional drivers who must drive in their job no matter what profession they are. i.e if you are a sales person who travels to customer locations above X Mileage per year. I.e It will be part of Expenses incurred submitted to their company for traceability. If anyone who has a company car should be made to pass the higher requirements before allowing to drive a company car. There is too much abuse of family members driving companies cars recklessly. Van/Taxi drivers must pass a rigorous Driving test to allow taking loads/customers.

I would also include
1/. Basic map reading and
2/. Route Planning (especially when driving to an unfamiliar location).

limklad

Viper_JB wrote: »

I've actually come to the conclusion that no one in the RSA has a car or drives for themselves.

I listen to Gay Byrne once on one of his rants and plaster all young driver as reckless on the Radio and then I witness a Mother in her mid 30's
1/. passing me out on a series of dangerous bends on the Croagh side of Adare (heading Croagh direction downhill).
2/. She was happily talking on her phone with one hand in an intense conversation.
3/. A toddler (2-3 years old) unrestrained moving back and forth between the Driver and Front passenger seat.
4/. and a young infant (approx 3 months old) in an improper position in the front seat.
5/. I was doing 60mph therefore she broke the speed limit. ( estimate 75mph)
6/. No view of oncoming traffic (I did not have any!!) because of the series of high walls and trees.

I reacted quickly and braked hard. She nearly swiped in a dangerous manoeuvre barely missing my front bumper as the oncoming bus appeared.
In a fraction of a second I saw the expression on the oncoming Bus Eireann driver from Tralee of fear in his eyes.

After regaining my senses after stopping on the road, I speeded up to catch her to get her number plate to 1/. Report her dangerous driving to the Guards and 2/. report her to the heath board for knowingly putting her kids in serious danger.

After getting to the stretch of road that widened out, I could not see her as I passed the next crosses, I looked down both she was no where to be seen.

shinikins

limklad wrote: »

Driving Instructors cannot take any learner on a Motorway because they (Provisional drivers) are banned from driving on a Motorway.

shinikins wrote: »

I truely believe that to qualify for your driving license there should be a motorway test.

Sorry, I was unclear, what i should have said there was that to qualify for your full driving license you should have to do a motorway test. At the moment, once you have your certificate of competency to drive in your hand, you pretty much can do what you want. I think that anyone who passes their test should be give a restricted license forbidding them from using the motorway until such time that they complete a motorway. The Polish have a system whereby an provisional driver must prove that they have completed lessons in different driving conditions before they can apply for a test, and their test is divided into several sections. If they don't complete a certain section(like driving on a motorway) then they are restricted from using it. Simples!!

I do agree with you limklad, that every driver should be retested after a certain amount of years, some of the worst drivers i've seen are people in their 40's and 50's who should (in theory) have enough experience on the road that they drive safely. In reality, most of the people in their 50's anyway, would not have had to pass a test!!