Mir staying at HW just to fight Brock

Zero-Cool

He announced it on his Twitter saying he didn't like Brock's comments in recent interviews so he is gonna stay at HW and work his way back to a rematch.

Mir is my fave fighter but he really needs to let it go. He doesn't have the chin to stand with the big boys, even though he wants to stand (what BJJ black belt?). I couldn't stand to watch Lesnar pound him again.

Any thoughts if Mir could take Lesnar and if not, how would he fare at LHW?

scudzilla

sheehy83 wrote: »

He announced it on his Twitter saying he didn't like Brock's comments in recent interviews so he is gonna stay at HW and work his way back to a rematch.

Mir is my fave fighter but he really needs to let it go. He doesn't have the chin to stand with the big boys, even though he wants to stand (what BJJ black belt?). I couldn't stand to watch Lesnar pound him again.

Any thoughts if Mir could take Lesnar and if not, how would he fare at LHW?

Well it's marketable, the rubber match and all that, but Frank's gonna have to get 2/3 quality wins to get a shot, and unfortunately i just can't see him doing that

chopperbyrne

I can't see him getting a title shot again unless he beats two of Dos Santos, Carwin and Velasquez.

Can't see that happening either so he should just drop to 205 or be content with being a gatekeeper for up and coming heavyweights.

rovert

Is he going to add a further 10 pounds of muscle to his frame?

Obviously he sees $$$ in a rematch with Brock but good luck getting there.

Zero-Cool

I don't even think its about the money cuz he is gonna destroy his career just going after Brock and never been able to win.

No way would he be happy with being just a gatekeeper for up and coming HW's (nice line ) Brock would also be throwing sly remarks around.

He should fight the winner of Nelson/ Dos Santos. He thought we would blow through Carwin as just a stepping stone to get to Brock. Interesting to see who Carwin will fight next.

chordtype

I think he should give 205 a chance. There are more fresh match ups at 205 that I would much rather see.

Lord Muck

He has a future at heavyweight still, i feel he under estimated Carwin , in all his interviews building up to that fight he was mentioning Brock and a rubber match. I dont think he was fully focused. Theres still plenty of good fights for him at HW. Surely Leben would inspire any fighter with a couple of looses to keep at it

cardio,shoot me

mir cant make 205, he had abs at 265 when he fought Kongo...

calex71

I'd sooner see him have another go at Carwin, which I would say is his next fight @ HW

unknown13

There wasn't a hope he would have been able to drop down to 205

Karmafaerie

Lets say Brock keeps winning how would Mir get back a him?

Mir has Gonzaga next.
Lets say he wins that.

Brock beats Velasquez.

He then gets the loser of JDS vs Big Country, while the winner fights Brock.

Brock beats JDS/Big Country, and Mir beats the other.

In the mean time Carwin would have fought Velasquez.

So that would leave the winner of Velasquez vs Carwin, or Mir for Brock.
If Cain beats shane then I see Mir/Brock 3, if Shane beats Cain, then it'd be Carwin/Brock 2.


Just way too many ifs and permitations, for a fight that would end the exact same way as the second did!!!

Plastikman_eire

Mir got lucky against Brock in the 1st fight. Lesnar has him figured out now, and I dont see Mir beating him again.

cowzerp

Plastikman_eire wrote: »

Mir got lucky against Brock in the 1st fight. Lesnar has him figured out now, and I dont see Mir beating him again.

Mir was well in control in the 2nd fight till he done that stupid knee, if he keeps it standing next time he has a chance to win the fight and it's not a foregone conclusion, i dont see it happening any time soon anyway though so it's all speculation.

Zero-Cool

Mir will never be able to keep it standing with Brock but it's weird cuz you would think Mir is a fighter that you wouldn't want to go to the ground with. He's a great all round fighter, just wish he would let UFC pick his fights and then focus on that instead of this mythical ladder to Lesnar!

If Mir did drop to 205 and The Spider went up to 205, that would be agreat fight!

Junior D

In my opinion Mir wouldn't make it at 205. The guy fills up a door at HW, so imagine his body structure or shape at LWH. He would lose a lot of strength and would most likely be more energy drained and become a lesser fighter, an example being Wanderlei Silva changing weight. I agree though he does need to get past the whole Brock thing because its screwing up his other fights. Hes not focusing on the current target but looking too far ahead

Tones69

calex71 wrote: »

I'd sooner see him have another go at Carwin, which I would say is his next fight @ HW

I fully agree, he was too relaxed in that fight imo, way too relaxed being pressed against the cage. I think a rematch with Carwin is fair and then dos santos can fight the winner, cain is getting brock next anyway

TechnoPool

Dos Santos v Nelson Winner vs Carwin v Mir Winner

Zero-Cool

Joe Silva has his hands full with the top of the HW division, don't mind the rest of the entire roster!

Who is ranked what in HW div? Really looking forward to the Nelson Dos Santos fight but who is the top 5/6 at the mo?

TechnoPool

Carwin , Dos Santos , Mir , Cain , Nelson , Nog Probs would be a very rough guess.


Not including Brock as he is champ

rovert

MMA legend Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira gets his long-awaited rematch with Frank Mir in the main event of UFC 119, MMA Fighting has learned.

UFC President Dana White has confirmed the matchup to MMA Fighting. He also confirmed a light-heavyweight bout pitting Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Ryan Bader in the co-main event.

Huzzah!

Both have a lot to prove.

Zero-Cool

yesssssssss thank u rovert. great news!!! I wanted mir nog 2 ever since it was revealed nog was sick 1st time round. hope both will b in form for this!!!! great co main as well, will b rootin for bader, he def deserves to be fightin d best in LHW

rovert

sheehy83 wrote: »

yesssssssss thank u rovert. great news!!! I wanted mir nog 2 ever since it was revealed nog was sick 1st time round. hope both will b in form for this!!!! great co main as well, will b rootin for bader, he def deserves to be fightin d best in LHW

They really need to come with a cool old styley name for the show with both Nogs co-headlining like UFC: Double Trouble or something.

Zero-Cool

rovert wrote: »

They really need to come with a cool old styley name for the show with both Nogs co-headlining like UFC: Double Trouble or something.

Ya something cheesy, what was the van damme movie called where he has a twin in it??

Although, I can see both Nog's losing unfortunately.

rovert

sheehy83 wrote: »

Ya something cheesy, what was the van damme movie called where he has a twin in it??

Although, I can see both Nog's losing unfortunately.

If I had my way the fight poster would be a take of this:

magic_murph

Lads,
The next guy to beat Brock will be Alistair Overeem.

Rumor has it he will be signing with the UFC soon enough.
Give him 2 fights then he will get a title shot.

I think he has the strength, standup and skill to take out brock and easily any other HW out there.

He is just a beast

rovert

magic_murph wrote: »

Lads,
The next guy to beat Brock will be Alistair Overeem.

Rumor has it he will be signing with the UFC soon enough.
Give him 2 fights then he will get a title shot.

I think he has the strength, standup and skill to take out brock and easily any other HW out there.

He is just a beast

He was meant to sign in January 2009 but his piss melted the cup during the pre-contract drug test *more or less*.

Zero-Cool

Only Mothers can tell em apart (unless you can see their backs!)

I love MS Paint! (How do you copy an image into a thread if it doesn't have a URL?)

Zero-Cool

I just read winner of Nelson / Dos Santos is getting title shot. Mir has a lot of work to do to get title shot again (or is he only interested in Brock?)

Can Mir take Big Nog?
Who will win Nelson or Dos Santos?
Will Cain be HW champ???

HW div needs a night all to itself once a month

HAHAHAHA Rovert, that was gas man, cup melting pee :pac::pac::pac:

unknown13

magic_murph wrote: »

Lads,
The next guy to beat Brock will be Alistair Overeem.

Rumor has it he will be signing with the UFC soon enough.
Give him 2 fights then he will get a title shot.

I think he has the strength, standup and skill to take out brock and easily any other HW out there.

He is just a beast

Junior Dos Santos will be the next to beat Brock, his power will be too much for Lesnar and Lesnar has shown he doesn't have the best of chins in the second Mir fight and in the Carwin fight.

cardio,shoot me

unknown13 wrote: »

Junior Dos Santos will be the next to beat Brock, his power will be too much for Lesnar and Lesnar has shown he doesn't have the best of chins in the second Mir fight and in the Carwin fight.

yea because brock wont be able to take him down, like Gonzaga did....

Wacker

unknown13 wrote: »

Junior Dos Santos will be the next to beat Brock, his power will be too much for Lesnar and Lesnar has shown he doesn't have the best of chins in the second Mir fight and in the Carwin fight.

What I took from the Carwin fight was that Lesnar's chin would be second only to Cabbage Correira.

cowzerp

Wacker wrote: »

What I took from the Carwin fight was that Lesnar's chin would be second only to Cabbage Correira.

Lesnar did not prove to me he had a great chin, standing he was barely hit when he jumped into foetal position, the ground punches where hard enough but not like getting hit full on standing, Brock's great chin remains to be seen..

rovert

cowzerp wrote: »

Lesnar did not prove to me he had a great chin, standing he was barely hit when he jumped into foetal position, the ground punches where hard enough but not like getting hit full on standing, Brock's great chin remains to be seen..

I give up I really do.

PerrinV2

This thread is turning out exactely like the other one
Its starting to go completely off topic

Dancor

cowzerp wrote: »

Lesnar did not prove to me he had a great chin, standing he was barely hit when he jumped into foetal position, the ground punches where hard enough but not like getting hit full on standing, Brock's great chin remains to be seen..

Id imagine being hit on the ground with your head against the mat is way harder than taking a punch standing.

_oveless

Mir will only progress if he evolves as a fighter, he needs better wrestling if he wants to take on the top HW's in the UFC.

Dancor

Dancor wrote: »

Id imagine being hit on the ground with your head against the mat is way harder than taking a punch standing.

Thats what did it to Machida.
Back on topic though. Mir's path back to the belt is going to be long and hard. He'd have to beat either Dos Santos, Cain or Big Country then Carwin after the winner of DS V BC has had their shot. Big Nog is a good place to start though.

Turtyturd

Dancor wrote: »

Id imagine being hit on the ground with your head against the mat is way harder than taking a punch standing.

Most punches from the top tend to be to the face though so they are not really going to test someones chin. Nor will you see their legs buckle to notice if the shot had any effect.

Looking forward to the Mir/Nog rematch. Hopefully Nog avenges the last one.

seadnamac

cowzerp wrote: »

Lesnar did not prove to me he had a great chin, standing he was barely hit when he jumped into foetal position, the ground punches where hard enough but not like getting hit full on standing, Brock's great chin remains to be seen..

How can you say he was barely hit? What did you think of the punch Carwin landed on Gonzaga to end their fight? Because that looked lighter than any of the punches he landed on Brock yet it knocked Gonzaga spark out.

Considering the state Carwin was in after the round and after the fight when he had to be taken to hospital, it's not outrageous to say that Lesnar took all that Carwin had. Carwin, a man who has shown himself to have some of the heaviest hands possibly ever in the sport. And he survived. And went on to win.

I'd say his chin is pretty good all things considered.

rovert

Just saying:

cowzerp

Dancor wrote: »

Id imagine being hit on the ground with your head against the mat is way harder than taking a punch standing.

well you'd be massively wrong, the bad thing about it is that if you cant evade the punches then your going to get hit easy and many-the punches compared to standing are more of an irritant.
thats why you dont see many actuall ko's on the ground and many standing. full weight goes into a standing blow and leverage, way less leverage and only a fraction of the weight on the ground..

YamaMotoYama

Deleted User wrote: »

Thats what did it to Machida.
Back on topic though. Mir's path back to the belt is going to be long and hard. He'd have to beat either Dos Santos, Cain or Big Country then Carwin after the winner of DS V BC has had their shot. Big Nog is a good place to start though.

Big Country should not even named up there.

Carwin, Cain, Dos Santos, Gonzaga and yes even Mir... are light years ahead of that rather large chap.

I think Big Nog may not be the most exciting fight ever - but it would be a great 101 lesson in BJJ.

cardio,shoot me

YamaMotoYama wrote: »

Big Country should not even named up there.

Carwin, Cain, Dos Santos, Gonzaga and yes even Mir... are light years ahead of that rather large chap.

I think Big Nog may not be the most exciting fight ever - but it would be a great 101 lesson in BJJ.

im fairly confident in country beating dos santos actually...

Zero-Cool

Ya, Big Country is definitely a dark horse and could beat Dos Santos. It would be hillarious to watch Lesnar take on Nelson.

If Mir beats Nog, I wonder who his next opponent would be? Carwin maybe?

JJayoo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dj5xMeXybs

Nice vid of Mir vs nelson from Grapplers Quest 2003

YamaMotoYama

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

im fairly confident in country beating dos santos actually...

We'll agree to disagree...:D

ginoginelli

cowzerp wrote: »

well you'd be massively wrong, the bad thing about it is that if you cant evade the punches then your going to get hit easy and many-the punches compared to standing are more of an irritant.
thats why you dont see many actuall ko's on the ground and many standing. full weight goes into a standing blow and leverage, way less leverage and only a fraction of the weight on the ground..

They actually tested punches from the top on a discovery program with randy couture. Punches on the ground had actually a much higher amount of pounds per pressure in each strike than standing ones.

Big Country is ridiculously underrated by a lot of people. I think he can finish Dos Santos standing. Or even submit him with his superior grappling. Dos Santos is great by Big Country is on the up too, I wouldn't be surprised to see him trade with Dos Santos. As for Mir. He needs to fight Shane again. Both are coming off losses now and if Frank actually uses his Jiu Jitsu he might have a chance this time. I was horribly frustrated at Mir during the Carwin fight. He seemed to just believe he was a boxer all of a sudden.

EDIT: And as for the above. The punch power on the ground. The force of Gravity makes the speed multiply by 9.8 m/s for every second the object is landing, here a fist. Obviously a punch wouldn't take a whole second to land but it's still considerable.

FrostyJack

And as for the above. The punch power on the ground. The force of Gravity makes the speed multiply by 9.8 m/s for every second the object is landing, here a fist. Obviously a punch wouldn't take a whole second to land but it's still considerable

When punching on the ground you are only punching with your arm and some of your body, while standing up you have the full rotation of your hips so it should be much more powerful? Are we talking about punching in mount or while standing and punching downwards?

Shazbot

ginoginelli wrote: »

They actually tested punches from the top on a discovery program with randy couture. Punches on the ground had actually a much higher amount of pounds per pressure in each strike than standing ones.

They did it on the show Fight Science. I wouldn't read too much into these types of program. These shows are more about entertainment than hard science.

If you really want to test it. Just let someone punch you in both positions

cowzerp

Deleted User wrote: »

EDIT: And as for the above. The punch power on the ground. The force of Gravity makes the speed multiply by 9.8 m/s for every second the object is landing, here a fist. Obviously a punch wouldn't take a whole second to land but it's still considerable.

Randy has never Knocked anyone out with GnP-them fight science shows are full of it and are full of falsehoods and made up stuff, the speed of a ground and pound punch im pretty sure would be slower than that of a standing 1 if it multiplied the way your saying they would be almost so fast you could not see it,in reality it would have travelled less distance and only a small percentage of body weight would go into the punch as opposed to standing..

I've been Ground and pounded many times and punched standing by good boxers many times and there not even comparible!

Fight science is a gimmick and when the Ninja was picked as the no,1 martial artist that said it all! the show is pre wrote and then made.