Adare Traffic Chaos

CCSL

Stay far far awar from Adare or anywhere nearby as traffic was all the way back to Raheen! earlier. Can only be worse tomorrow for the Pro Am!

JerryHandbag

If ever a town needed a bypass. Adare is hard to get thru on a normal day let alone when Tiger Woods is in town. Anyone planning on heading west should go by Croom/Ballingarry/Newcastlwest.

source

JerryHandbag wrote: »

If ever a town needed a bypass. Adare is hard to get thru on a normal day let alone when Tiger Woods is in town. Anyone planning on heading west should go by Croom/Ballingarry/Newcastlwest.

A bypass wouldn't make any difference today, seeing as the majority of those cars are heading into Adare.

hi_im_fil

Is that the Raheen exit in the picture? :eek::eek:

LB6

looks like the ramp down from the Cork road

Kess73

hi_im_fil wrote: »

Is that the Raheen exit in the picture? :eek::eek:

Looks like the exit on the Adare side of Patrickswell.


Just looked at the pic again and it is that exit

LB6

lol that's what I said!

Kess73

LB6 wrote: »

lol that's what I said!

Had replied to his post before I read down to your post.:)

JerryHandbag

foinse wrote: »

A bypass wouldn't make any difference today, seeing as the majority of those cars are heading into Adare.

True but its still needed, but doesnt look like happening anytime soon with a lot of dilly-dallying over the proposed route.

Kess73

JerryHandbag wrote: »

True but its still needed, but doesnt look like happening anytime soon with a lot of dilly-dallying over the proposed route.

Wasn't there something on Live95fm or the Leader some time back about how the road at the end of the motorway (the bit in the picture with the traffic) is actually in the wrong place for the by pass?

Think it was that the road as it is, is set up for a bypass to go around Adare on it's right hand side as you look at the town as you come from Limerick, but the newest plans for a by pass were to go around the town on it's left hand side, meaning the end of the motorway and the stretch of road off of it are in the wrong place.

Stab*City

Kess73 wrote: »

Wasn't there something on Live95fm or the Leader some time back about how the road at the end of the motorway (the bit in the picture with the traffic) is actually in the wrong place for the by pass?

Think it was that the road as it is, is set up for a bypass to go around Adare on it's right hand side as you look at the town as you come from Limerick, but the newest plans for a by pass were to go around the town on it's left hand side, meaning the end of the motorway and the stretch of road off of it are in the wrong place.

not surpirsingly..

limklad

hi_im_fil wrote: »

Is that the Raheen exit in the picture? :eek::eek:

No It looks like it is Patrickwell, at the bridge on the N20 Cork road.

slinky2000

Oh Jesus!

CCSL

Kess73 wrote: »

Looks like the exit on the Adare side of Patrickswell.


Just looked at the pic again and it is that exit

Yip thats where I was, pulled in for a quick snap. at 11:30!!

Not an early morning Jam, It stretched off down towards Raheen.

They are saying on the radio that they have opened more car parks as they were expecting only 30,000 but surly they know how many hats they sold?
to be off my 10,000 is a bit much, were they expecting everyone to car pool?

panda100

Huge queues in the other direction too. Traffic jams all the way back past Clonshire heading into adare today from NCW direction.

Best to use the Askeaton road If your heading into Limerick from the West tommorow.

Tech3

Absolute joke I had to divert via the N20 and then the regional rd towards Ballingarry to NCW.

JerryHandbag

Kess73 wrote: »

Wasn't there something on Live95fm or the Leader some time back about how the road at the end of the motorway (the bit in the picture with the traffic) is actually in the wrong place for the by pass?

Think it was that the road as it is, is set up for a bypass to go around Adare on it's right hand side as you look at the town as you come from Limerick, but the newest plans for a by pass were to go around the town on it's left hand side, meaning the end of the motorway and the stretch of road off of it are in the wrong place.

There was something in last weeks Leader alright, it showed the 2 routes, north and south.....but the north one was miles north!! As in the road would practically parallel the Foynes road on its way out of town, which means that you are correct in that the current bit where the motorway ends would not join up at all. Either way it all seems a terrific mess. :rolleyes:

Tech3

If it's the Adare bypass yer on about it will be part of the M20 Patrickswell to Cork scheme. The junction for the Adare bypass will be at Croom and will run offline to the south of Adare from the east.

Jigga

tech2 wrote: »

Absolute joke I had to divert via the N20 and then the regional rd towards Ballingarry to NCW.

You have to thank the tax exile McManus for that, but then you have a few gullible idiots who think that he's a great Limerick man :rolleyes:.

zuroph

Jigga wrote: »

You have to thank the tax exile McManus for that, but then you have a few gullible idiots who think that he's a great Limerick man :rolleyes:.

event raised 31 million for charity in 2005.

Jigga

zuroph wrote: »

event raised 31 million for charity in 2005.

And McManus should be paying twice that a year in tax if he paid them like the rest of us.

zuroph

Jigga wrote: »

And McManus should be paying €60 million a year in tax if he paid them like the rest of us.

if i was gonna be liable for 60 million a year I'd be finding a way to avoid it too. He's a businessman, and its good business to shop around for the cheapest deal.
Fact remains he is a decent Limerickman, take a look at where the money from the previous pro ams went, the local causes do very very well out of it. Regardless of whether he paid taxes or not, he doesnt have to do a penny of that charity stuff but does, and just brought a HUGE international event to Limerick and did the whole thing to benefit local causes.

Jigga

zuroph wrote: »

if i was gonna be liable for 60 million a year I'd be finding a way to avoid it too. He's a businessman, and its good business to shop around for the cheapest deal.
Fact remains he is a decent Limerickman, take a look at where the money from the previous pro ams went, the local causes do very very well out of it. Regardless of whether he paid taxes or not, he doesnt have to do a penny of that charity stuff but does, and just brought a HUGE international event to Limerick and did the whole thing to benefit local causes.

If he's such a decent Limerickman he'd pay his income tax. By avoiding paying taxes while still claiming Irish citizenship he leaves himself wide open to deserved criticism.

So many deluded fools in Limerick defend him even though his voluntary taxes are a tiny fraction of what he should be paying in tax.

zuroph

Jigga wrote: »

If he's such a decent Limerickman he'd pay his income tax. By avoiding paying taxes while still claiming Irish citizenship he leaves himself wide open to deserved criticism.

You still havent explained why? If he's entitled to avoid it by staying out of the country for a set period, and can afford to do so, then he is perfectly within his rights. Its just common sense to avoid paying over money you don't have to.

Itsdacraic

Jigga wrote: »

If he's such a decent Limerickman he'd pay his income tax. By avoiding paying taxes while still claiming Irish citizenship he leaves himself wide open to deserved criticism.

So many deluded fools in Limerick defend him even though his voluntary taxes are a tiny fraction of what he should be paying in tax.

Which would you rather?

JP donating millions to needy local charities and clubs or JP giving 50 million to the Government to pump into another bottomless pit of a bank?

He has pretty much single handedly brought the biggest stars from both Hollywood and world golf to Limerick for a few days, generating millions for the local economy, yet the Joe Duffy Brigade on here still find time to complain.

Let's just hope they don't leave any green markings on the road.

Kess73

Jigga wrote: »

If he's such a decent Limerickman he'd pay his income tax. By avoiding paying taxes while still claiming Irish citizenship he leaves himself wide open to deserved criticism.

So many deluded fools in Limerick defend him even though his voluntary taxes are a tiny fraction of what he should be paying in tax.

Yep it is true that he is legally avoiding paying taxes over here in Ireland, but the keyword is legally.

I do disagree with the thousands of people in and from this country who do not have to pay taxes, be they businessmen like JP or so called artists who pay no taxes on their music, writing, art etc.

But at least JP does have a positive impact upon Limerick with where he donates his money. Yes it may be partly done for publicity and goodwill, but it still does good.

How much does the likes of Bono give to his hometown? Nowt bar hot air. In fact the man moved his business interests to Holland to avoid paying any taxes or any levy in Ireland, yet he plays the whole "I'm Irish" card pretty much everytime he opens his gob.

Or good old Bertie Ahern who when he brought out his book fell under the bvracket of being an "artist" and as such his book earnings became tax free.

Ok there was a levy brought in during 2008 to get some money back, but any poet, writer, musician in this country who earns €100,000 or less only has to pay a 1% levy on their earnings and nowt else. So next time you see anyone of that profession waffling on about Ireland and claiming citizenship or whatever, make sure to hit them with criticism.

And the Irish musicians, writers etc who earn millions? Well they get to pay a massive 2% levy and nowt else.


If JP is worthy of vitriol despite giving something back finacially, then all those bands, singers and writers that are all over this country deserve it even moreso.

bazkennedy

Spent 3 hours trying to get there yesterday morning, including 30 minutes without moving an inch. Even around the town of adare there was hardly any coordination of traffic

that said it was a fun day out

topper75

Attacking McManus?

I've heard it all now.

thesimpsons

ah jeepers, once every 5 yrs you get caught in heavy traffic while 31million euros going directly to local charities - its not as if you didn't know there would be traffic chaos. Regularly get caught in munster match day traffic and not a red cent goes to charities.

while 25-30k hats were sold, under 16s and over 65s were free and there were a whole heaps of 17/18/19 year olds all claiming they were under 16. they'll be protesting their older age by the weekend trying to get into the niteclubs

keane2097

Christ almighty Jigaa your posts ITT are ridiculously full of fail.

bazz26

Jigga wrote: »

If he's such a decent Limerickman he'd pay his income tax. By avoiding paying taxes while still claiming Irish citizenship he leaves himself wide open to deserved criticism.

So many deluded fools in Limerick defend him even though his voluntary taxes are a tiny fraction of what he should be paying in tax.

There is a huge difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion. One is legal the other is not.

There are many high profile business people and celebrities who avoid paying tax to the State as they legally qualify under the rules set out by Revenue. However being liable for tax and evading payment of it is illegal.

JerryHandbag

thesimpsons wrote: »

while 25-30k hats were sold, under 16s and over 65s were free and there were a whole heaps of 17/18/19 year olds all claiming they were under 16. they'll be protesting their older age by the weekend trying to get into the niteclubs

It's quite amusing watching the local girls of this age group in their pink tracksuits and eyeliner going off to watch......a golf tournament?? Never thought I'd see the day....oh wait, it might be something to do with a certain pop band :rolleyes:

Rookster

I don't know how this guy who avoids paying taxes in this country can get away with holding up all the traffic for a privileged game played by bankers and property developers. The majority of people in the Mid-West have no interest in McManus, Woods or any other wan*er out there. We have to live in this sh*t hole, not them. They can p*ss back to where they came from in their private jets. What a ridiculous event! Just pay your taxes you greedy b*stard and there might be no need to raise money for charities.

langdang

Itsdacraic wrote: »

Which would you rather?

JP donating millions to needy local charities and clubs or JP giving 50 million to the Government to pump into another bottomless pit of a bank?

+1 Things that should be essential services are left to charities to plug the gaps - 50million would mean that the government would not have to borrow money for 48 hours to feed the inefficient public service. That's all, burnt off just like that, gone up in a puff of inadequacy and over-inflated sense of entitlement...

Itsdacraic

Rookster wrote: »

I don't know how this guy who avoids paying taxes in this country can get away with holding up all the traffic for a privileged game played by bankers and property developers. The majority of people in the Mid-West have no interest in McManus, Woods or any other wan*er out there. We have to live in this sh*t hole, not them. They can p*ss back to where they came from in their private jets. What a ridiculous event! Just pay your taxes you greedy b*stard and there might be no need to raise money for charities.

Would you rather he stayed living in Switzerland and gave nothing back to Limerick so?

The begrudgery and short sightedness on this thread is ridiculous. We have MILLIONS being raised for local charities, global media coverage for Limerick and Adare, 50,000 fans travelling to the region and all the muppets can do is complain because they have to sit in their car for 20 minutes longer.

Try travelling through Adare on a bank holiday weekend? Traffic is chaotic too but at least this traffic jam is going to set up local charities for years.

Raiser

Jigga wrote: »

And McManus should be paying twice that a year in tax if he paid them like the rest of us.

Its not like tax revenue gets spent on Schools, Hospitals, Policing or Infrastructure.

- How would you like to give the Irish State €60,000,000 a year that gets magically soaked up in 20 minutes on massaged overtime hours and fiddled expenses for our cynical, thieving Public Sector - one arm of which will hand it out to Scumbags weekly in big armfuls just to keep them quiet and suitably fcuking useless?

LadyTBolt

Rookster wrote: »

What a ridiculous event! Just pay your taxes you greedy b*stard and there might be no need to raise money for charities.

Every charity in the MidWest who benefits from this 'ridiculous event' would beg to differ with your ignorant opinion.
Besides the ProAm which has given 55million to MidWest charities to date (and not including this event) there are many other charity related events, donations and scholarships which receive funds from Mr. McManus.

It's heartwrenchlingly sad when an individual like you belittles an event many charities long to hope to benefit from during a tough recession.

So what if he evades tax on his personal wealth. His Irish based businesses still pay their tax. His businesses still pay their employers taxes and levies for the hundreds of people kept in jobs because of this individual and believe me the amount of vat the government exhume from his Irish Affairs is enough to make them not charge more than the €2m he has to pay to be an exile.

Leave Mr. McManus and his personal tax affairs alone and think about the sick and dying individuals who have a chance of receiving better treatment for their illnesses than our government could ever provide no matter how big their tax revenues get.

Get over your jealous begrudging unsuccessful attitude and embrace what this event truly has to offer for many - Hope.

Jigga

Do ye actually know how much he is worth? Its the equivalent of us not paying our taxes and throwing a couple of euro into the Trocaire box. If we all followed JP's example we would have no schools, hospitals or roads.

A real embarrassment how Limerick people think he is so great. Blinkered idiots. I don't have time for tax exiles and the fact he gives a fraction of what he should be paying in tax to charity doesn't excuse him.

Limerick_Lass

Jigga wrote: »

Do ye actually know how much he is worth? Its the equivalent of us not paying our taxes and throwing a couple of euro into the Trocaire box. If we all followed JP's example we would have no schools, hospitals or roads.

A real embarrassment how Limerick people think he is so great. Blinkered idiots. I don't have time for tax exiles and the fact he gives a fraction of what he should be paying in tax to charity doesn't excuse him.

So you prefer him to give that money to our government than help local charities, lets hope you wont ever need to use any of the services we wouldnt have only for Jp.
You, not Jp is the embarrassment to Limerick

Itsdacraic

Jigga wrote: »

Do ye actually know how much he is worth? Its the equivalent of us not paying our taxes and throwing a couple of euro into the Trocaire box. If we all followed JP's example we would have no schools, hospitals or roads.

A real embarrassment how Limerick people think he is so great. Blinkered idiots. I don't have time for tax exiles and the fact he gives a fraction of what he should be paying in tax to charity doesn't excuse him.

Tell me what taxes he should pay in Ireland??

He left Ireland in 1993 and wasn't worth a fraction of what he is now.
He made his money while working abroad, why should he pay taxes in Ireland on it??

As he said himself, "if you go to work abroad and you don't do particularly well, you're an immigrant. If you do well when you go abroad, you're an exile."

He could just as easily stay in his ivory tower in Switzerland and never bother with Limerick/Ireland again.

krudler

Jigga wrote: »

And McManus should be paying twice that a year in tax if he paid them like the rest of us.

would you gladly pay 60 million a year in tax if you could get away without doing it?


thought not.

LadyTBolt

Knowing the value of his personal wealth does not deter me from my opinion of how this individual manages their personal tax affairs.

If he stays out of the country X number of days of the year to avoid paying some tax on his personal wealth then that's his business. He keeps alot of Irish people employed doing just that.

The funding received at charites across the MidWest because of him is priceless to the beneficiaries of events such as the ProAm.

There are no blinkered idiots here just normal working class people supporting an individual who cares enough about our local charities to host a world class event such as this which funding from is badly needed in our area.

Jigga

JP is not actually giving the money for charity. Normal people are by paying €50 to see the celebrities play golf.

He is claiming Irish citizenship but doesn't pay his taxes because of a loophole his friends in Fianna Fail helped him with. The country is in the shítter and ye see no problem with what he and his ilk are doing. Only the little people pay taxes I suppose.

LadyTBolt

Believe me, alot of his personal resources are being used for this event which does cost him personally.
What about he scolarships he funds personally?
There are many more direct contributions made to the MidWest charities that alot of people are unaware of.
He pays €2m as a levy on his personal wealth.
All his Irish business pay taxes.

mud

Jigga wrote: »

JP is not actually giving the money for charity. Normal people are by paying €50 to see the celebrities play golf.

He is claiming Irish citizenship but doesn't pay his taxes because of a loophole his friends in Fianna Fail helped him with. The country is in the shítter and ye see no problem with what he and his ilk are doing. Only the little people pay taxes I suppose.

Go away out of that!

You've already been told numerous times how he LEGALLY conducts his business.

I don't know the man personally; but he was a great friend of my Uncle, there are so many things this man has quietly achieved for his county and country, things that will probably never be recorded.

What good would it do if his charitable donations were poured into the vortex that is the Irish economy, so some anonymous banker can take his golden handshake and piss off out of the country?

By the way, tearing over to AH and posting about other's opinions was a sneaky move.

Good day.

Itsdacraic

Jigga wrote: »

JP is not actually giving the money for charity. Normal people are by paying €50 to see the celebrities play golf.

He is claiming Irish citizenship but doesn't pay his taxes because of a loophole his friends in Fianna Fail helped him with. The country is in the shítter and ye see no problem with what he and his ilk are doing. Only the little people pay taxes I suppose.

:rolleyes:

How about you address the points I raised in my post?

Raiser

Showcases the notion of "Pick your fights......"

This is the thread Mud mentioned.

Itsdacraic

Raiser wrote: »

Showcases the notion of "Pick your fights......"

This is the thread Mud mentioned.

What did you do with the thread you fiend?

Raiser

Apparently U2 got started in their career on winning a Limerick Band Competition in The Stella on Roches Street.

- Now they are tax exiles too; Gett'em Jigga!!!

limklad

Jigga wrote: »

He is claiming Irish citizenship but doesn't pay his taxes because of a loophole his friends in Fianna Fail helped him with. The country is in the shítter and ye see no problem with what he and his ilk are doing. Only the little people pay taxes I suppose.

This is totally bull.

JP Manus never ever claimed Irish citizenship. He was born into Irish Citizenship. Just like many Irish people who left our shores over centuries to find Jobs and earn a living in other countries.

I do not begrudge JP McManus for his wealth. He earned his money and is a shrewd business person who constantly analysis any failing in his business affairs from gambling/racing, etc to hotels and learnt from them, unlike our Government. He did not have to spend any penny in Ireland in Charities, yet he did. He finance Charities that do not waste the money and if they do, his charity company (JP McManus Foundation) will not finance them in future, unlike our Government in the mighty black hole that is ANGLO and many bad FAS Courses, poor (non care) Health Service, TD's Huge wages and expenses, etc. And never forget the €22 Billion+ that the government spend our Taxes into ANGLO IRISH that we will never see again.

All you have to do is type Charity & "JP Mcmanus" in Goggle and see all the contributions to worthwhile Charities his money have gone into, instead of making lazy comments about JP McManus about not paying Taxes in Ireland. Of course he is paying Taxes in Ireland, every time he step foot in Ireland. You cannot buy anything without paying VAT on any product or services. The Only Taxes he is not currently paying is Income Tax. Without people like him (Philanthropists) many many Charities here in the Mid west would be in dire straights and not only in this recession because of our Government bad handling of the economy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6936188.ece
There is over 6000 of Irish Citizens who are using the tax Exile loop hole. Of all of them, he has by far pump more needed money into our economy and the Work with the Pro-am in Adare is huge advertisement in Ireland Tourism which Ireland badly need these Days.

The 50 Euro is going directly to the Charities pockets not towards the Tournament Expenses. JP McManus is paying for the event and all costs associated with it including players expenses.

A two day Traffic problems, I can get over as they are always other routes around Adare in which I use on a regular basis at peak times.

llerena24

damn lol