Trial by TV on The Sunday Game?

dartbhoy

After yet more controversy in today's Kerry v Limerick game surrounding an incident involving Tomas O'Se would it be right for the Sunday Game panel to analyse it tonight and possibly say he should have been punished? There's analysis of games done in every sport and incidents like these are highlighted yet some GAA fans think it's wrong for the Sunday Game to investigate incidents like this?

We all have our opinions of what happened today but personally the powers that be in the GAA should analyse incidents like this immediatley and if they feel they warrant further investigation so let it be and announce such things before the Sunday Game goes out. The Sunday Game are only analysing the incidents,there not dishing out the punishment people must remember.

Deise Tom

I did not see all of the football today, but did watch the most of the hurling yesterday and think what the Tipp Full Back and Wexford Full Forward were up to should be highlighted. It was disgraceful. The referee chicken out in my view of sending both off. we cant have things like that happening. Both deserve a good long spell on the lines. I would be for saying the Tipp man later regretted it however. The player that stood on anothers hand while he was on the ground also should be dealt with.

dartbhoy

Deise Tom wrote: »

I did not see all of the football today, but did watch the most of the hurling yesterday and think what the Tipp Full Back and Wexford Full Forward were up to should be highlighted. It was disgraceful. The referee chicken out in my view of sending both off. we cant have things like that happening. Both deserve a good long spell on the lines. I would be for saying the Tipp man later regretted it however. The player that stood on anothers hand while he was on the ground also should be dealt with.

I totally agree with you,there was a number of incidents in this game which were highly dangerous.

Diabhal Beag

If you're stupid enough to do something stupid you deserve to be punished. The fans who get upset are the fans of Kerry who think Paul Galvin is a saint. Everything that happens on the pitch is recorded.

What a stupid thing to think that analysis shouldn't happen.

Browney7

O'Hara is in serious hot water I'd say

Browney7

Browney7 wrote: »

O'Hara is in serious hot water I'd say

I could see O'Hara's stamp from the far side of the ground, how the ref, linesman and umpires missed it I don't know.

WesternZulu

The way i look at it is if the player is foolish enough to do something that merits punishment and its picked up on camera then tough!!

Won't get any sympathy from me...its the player who should be getting criticised , not the sunday game panel that pointed out the incident.

Live by the sword. Die by the sword.

chinguetti

If the referee missing something, the cameras will pick it up. If they both miss it, people will ring the radio phone in shows and sports shows. And there is also internet chat rooms if that fails.

Players know that there are cameras at every match so if they do something stupid, they have no one to blame but themselves. Blaming 'the Sunday Game' is a cop out.

O'Se should get a ban if the CCCC are being fair, he had 3 shots at Kelly two of which merited a booking and the last one was a straight red. Otherwise its a joke to ban some players after a match and not others.

Didn't see the O'Hara incident so i can't comment on it.

grenache

O'Hara's was pretty blatant, deserves a ban for that, as does O Sé. If tv didn't pick up on these dangerous and cynical fouls and just let them go, ignored them, its as good as condoning it. It would be sending out the wrong signal, stuff like this is not acceptable and should be highlighted through whatever forum necessary.

Dermotsull13

O Se deserves something I think. It was a poor attempt at a tackle. It got alot of coverage on tv3 and rte and also on radio 1.

O hara's incident was a blatant stamp. Should get a month aswel. No mention of it by tv3 yesterday though. Sunday game kinda glossed over it in comparison to the coverage given to the O Se incidents

No coverage to the Cavan fullback pushing the ref last week though. Surely a 6 month suspension going by the Paul Galvin notebook incident afew years back

Strange goings on

Im more pissed off about tommy walshs incident which wasn't highlighted. disgusting that rte :mad:

derealbadger

Deleted User wrote: »

Im more pissed off about tommy walshs incident which wasn't highlighted. disgusting that rte :mad:

Tommy got a yellow card last year against galway when he should have been sent of same again today and he should have seen red against tipp in the league final last year as well and when you look at ling for wexford and Andy Smith for galways and the biffo that got red against galway then you look at both Walsh and Breannan today it smells to high heaven

Whatever about trial by media its not fair as it only highlights certain players and certain incidents, a joke to be honest. Ill give credit to marty morrissey. a small man who has balls to stand up to cody. the rest of the media are wimps! :mad:

popebenny16

every year we have this. the problem is that it appears that the routine is that the CCC are at home watching the sunday game and it is only when they see something highlighted that they decide to hold a meeting and lean on the ref.

of course the ccc cannot review every game before the sunday game goes out, but the hysteria from certain counties is getting out of hand - about four times on the radio today there was a comment to the effect that had Galvin done it it would be a card (which has been said here tonight too) and comments about being judged by a repuatation. Well, what the hell else are you going to be judged by???? Some fantasy idealation of how lovely you are??

personally i dont care a toss if someone who acts the thug is found out at the ground, by the sunday game, by the CCC or by Marty Morressey in his nightie and they shouldnt either. just accept it and get on with it.

popebenny16

popebenny16 wrote: »

every year we have this. the problem is that it appears that the routine is that the CCC are at home watching the sunday game and it is only when they see something highlighted that they decide to hold a meeting and lean on the ref.

of course the ccc cannot review every game before the sunday game goes out, but the hysteria from certain counties is getting out of hand - about four times on the radio today there was a comment to the effect that had Galvin done it it would be a card (which has been said here tonight too) and comments about being judged by a repuatation. Well, what the hell else are you going to be judged by???? Some fantasy idealation of how lovely you are??

personally i dont care a toss if someone who acts the thug is found out at the ground, by the sunday game, by the CCC or by Marty Morressey in his nightie and they shouldnt either. just accept it and get on with it.

well you'd like to think that a player would be disciplined and no leniency given on the amount of AI medals he has for a start. I think fairness in the sport it should be something straight across the board. its not. certain players and counties are getting away with it scot free while others get punished. Its hard to be a passionate follower of a sport and witness injustice week in-week out

hardybuck

Yeah I can't believe that Tommy Walsh's wild pull wasn't highlighted. He is one of the best players of his generation, but seems to let himself down with a dirty streak that seems to run through him. He often seems be lucky to escape with yellow cards in games, and breaking the hurl of Tannion today was very reckless to say the least.

Tipp full back probably deserved a yellow for pulling the faceguard, Wexford player deserved a yellow for the faceguard and a straight red for striking with his hurl.

O'Hara's alleged stamp and the elbow from O'Se were both bad fouls. Would these warrant a two month suspension?

Deise Tom

Hard hitting is part and parcel of the games. Players like Brian Mullins, Mick Lyons and Paudie O Se amongst others were champions at it. what todays players are getting up to is nothing but tuggery and the GAA have to act on it and act fast.

People say that the rule book say that such and such an incident gets a certain ban. What most dont know is that these a mininimum bans. All it takes for the GAA to do to stop these acts of tuggery is is impose the maxium mininnmal ban and to extend it by some considerable period. If some high profile players were to be banned, it would stamp (sorry for the bad joice of words) it all out.

quad_red

Deise Tom wrote: »

All it takes for the GAA to do to stop these acts of tuggery is is impose the maxium mininnmal ban and to extend it by some considerable period.

You want them to impose the maximum minimal ban - and then extend it considerably?

Deise Tom

quad_red wrote: »

You want them to impose the maximum minimal ban - and then extend it considerably?

Ok might not be clear. What i am trying to say is if the rule book says you get 3 months for such an offence, give them 6 months.

quad_red

Deise Tom wrote: »

Ok might not be clear. What i am trying to say is if the rule book says you get 3 months for such an offence, give them 6 months.

That's not really any clearer.

You presumably want the rules amended to increase the length of compulsory bans across the board?

That still doesn't address the main topic of this thread - the inconsistent identification of incidents after matches by a tv panel who have no requirement or incentive to be unbiased or fair.

hardybuck

With the massive demands being imposed upon players now in terms of commitment and preperation, giving someone a 6 month ban for an elbow or stamp would probably force lads to question their involvement for future years. You could miss the whole season there.

hardybuck

hardybuck wrote: »

With the massive demands being imposed upon players now in terms of commitment and preperation, giving someone a 6 month ban for an elbow or stamp would probably force lads to question their involvement for future years. You could miss the whole season there.

Well they shouldn't be stamping or elbowing in the first place. I think the bans should reflect the players history. Players with a history of dirty play should be treated more harshly than first time offenders this would be fair as any player can have a once off rush of blood (especially when taking hits from some of the dirty players) but other players are doing it all the time and these are the ones who deserve the harsh punishment.

hardybuck

Well if O'Hara was to get 2 months he'd miss a Connaught final, and possibly an All-Ireland quarter and semi. Thats plenty.

megadodge

Deise Tom wrote: »

Hard hitting is part and parcel of the games. Players like Brian Mullins, Mick Lyons and Paudie O Se amongst others were champions at it. what todays players are getting up to is nothing but tuggery and the GAA have to act on it and act fast.

If you're honestly trying to say that modern players are dirtier than those three you're completely nuts !!

I can only put it down to you not having seen any of those men play when they were playing and basing your judgement on a few clips in highlight videos of hard shoulders etc.

Mullins and Lyons wouldn't last five minutes with the modern refs. Paidi wasn't quite as bad but probably wouldn't make the second half.

Swarlez

popebenny16 wrote: »

every year we have this. the problem is that it appears that the routine is that the CCC are at home watching the sunday game and it is only when they see something highlighted that they decide to hold a meeting and lean on the ref.

of course the ccc cannot review every game before the sunday game goes out, but the hysteria from certain counties is getting out of hand - about four times on the radio today there was a comment to the effect that had Galvin done it it would be a card (which has been said here tonight too) and comments about being judged by a repuatation. Well, what the hell else are you going to be judged by???? Some fantasy idealation of how lovely you are??

personally i dont care a toss if someone who acts the thug is found out at the ground, by the sunday game, by the CCC or by Marty Morressey in his nightie and they shouldnt either. just accept it and get on with it.

Thats all well and grand but its when only some incidents that are looked at and others completely ignored even though they are just as bad.

If your going to ban someone like galvin for an offense (which was deserved) then why was kavanagh not banned for his throttle-ing of the gooch which was just as bad. its this highlighting of certain high profile offenses that is unjust

rebel girl 15

Gabriel Old Raisin wrote: »

Well they shouldn't be stamping of elbowing in the first place. I think the bans should reflect the players history. Players with a history of dirty play should be treated more harshly than first time offenders this would be fair as any player can have a once off rush of blood (especially when taking hits from some of the dirty players) but other players are doing it all the time and these are the ones who deserve the harsh punishment.

But they do - if a player gets sent off twice for two bookable offences at the same code and level within 48 weeks, after the second time, they are banned for two weeks. If a player gets sent off for a category 2/3 offence twice within 48 weeks in the same code or level, then the ban is doubled to 8 or 16 weeks. If a player gets sent off for a category 4 offence twice in 48 weeks at any code or level, then the ban is doubled after the second one. If a player gets sent off for a category 5 offence twoce within 96 weeks, the second suspension is doubled. Galvin was lucky to escape with only a category 2 offence, which should have only been 4 weeks, but because he has been sent off within the 48 weeks, it was doubled.

Tomas O Se has two yellow card offences and a straight red card offense yesterday and I would be surprised if the CCC don't act on it, and other issues.

liverpoolrob wrote: »

If your going to ban someone like galvin for an offense (which was deserved) then why was kavanagh not banned for his throttle-ing of the gooch which was just as bad. its this highlighting of certain high profile offenses that is unjust

Do people really think that the CCC members sit down on a Sunday evening with a cup of tea in one hand and the notebook and pen at the ready to take down what the panel say?? They review the games independently - the only reason people don't realise this is because the Sunday Game highlight these issues, Monday's papers continue the story and get a story Tuesday and after whatever day the CCC issues its decision. The higher profile the player i.e. Galvin, the bigger the story - and with the Kerry circus going on as well.

Diabhal Beag hit it on the head, if you are stupid enough to do something stupid, then you deserve everything you get!

I presume you saw the game, for that tackle Kavanagh was given a yellow card, the ref felt that the decision was correct. Galvin's however was not dealt with by the ref during the game

Disciplinary Action alleging Misconduct at Games
Infractions may only be commenced by the
Competitions Control Committee where:
(i) The Referee’s Report discloses the alleged
Infraction; or
(ii) The Referee has failed to submit his report
within a period of 10 days after the Game
concerned; or
(iii) Clarification of the Referee’s Report is
received stating either
(1) That the Referee did not adjudicate
upon the subject matter of the Request,
or
(2) That the Report ought to have stated
that the Infraction concerned did occur.

All refs are asked to review their games, their assessor also reviews their performance on the game with them

hardybuck

Ref you have the wrong man. It was Tomas O'Se, not Mark!

Swarlez

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Do people really think that the CCC members sit down on a Sunday evening with a cup of tea in one hand and the notebook and pen at the ready to take down what the panel say?? They review the games independently

I presume you saw the game, for that tackle Kavanagh was given a yellow card, the ref felt that the decision was correct. Galvin's however was not dealt with by the ref during the game



All refs are asked to review their games, their assessor also reviews their performance on the game with them

honestly i think the sunday game does have a influence on their decision making, but thats just my opinion.

kavanaghs "tackle" involved raising his hands around the gooch's neck. this is unacceptable to me. a hard tackle or an elbow, these things happen in the heat of the game (im not condoning it, just saying happens and always will) but to put your hands around another persons neck is just insanity

castie

liverpoolrob wrote: »

honestly i think the sunday game does have a influence on their decision making, but thats just my opinion.

kavanaghs "tackle" involved raising his hands around the gooch's neck. this is unacceptable to me. a hard tackle or an elbow, these things happen in the heat of the game (im not condoning it, just saying happens and always will) but to put your hands around another persons neck is just insanity

Thats a matter for the ref NOT the CCC as the ref actioned on it so they cant.
No one is condoning it just some people bringing it up as a reason they feel galvin is victimised.

In my own opinion repeat offenders deserve to watched more closely.
If he doesnt want that treatment he could clean up his game, its his choice.

D'Agger

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

If you're stupid enough to do something stupid you deserve to be punished. The fans who get upset are the fans of Kerry who think Paul Galvin is a saint. Everything that happens on the pitch is recorded.

What a stupid thing to think that analysis shouldn't happen.

That's a lame argument you've put up there, and it's one that insults Kerry fans intelligence. Kerry fans don't think Galvin is a saint/prophet/god etc. - as a Kerry fan what annoys me is the inconsistency of the CCC - Galvin deserved his ban, Tomás O Sé deserves one, if he doesn't get it I'll actually be annoyed at the CCC, again failing to be consistent.

JodyB

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

I presume you saw the game, for that tackle Kavanagh was given a yellow card, the ref felt that the decision was correct. Galvin's however was not dealt with by the ref during the game



All refs are asked to review their games, their assessor also reviews their performance on the game with them

Are you honestly telling me you think the ref reviewed all his decisions and rolled back on the second yellow given to Canty? Was he even asked? The CHC had no problem downgrading for Canty! If the ref supposedly reviewed all his decisions and stood over everything but the Galvin one then why was Canty's red card rescinded so long after the match? If he didn't roll back on it then why did the CHC overrule him on that one?

The ref gave a yellow to Kavanagh which you think he stuck by. Surely the CCCC have the abiltiy to upgrade yellow to red and overrule the ref if the CHC can do so for Canty. The rules are a bit of a joke. They need to get some consistency sorted out.

Deise Tom

hardybuck wrote: »

With the massive demands being imposed upon players now in terms of commitment and preperation, giving someone a 6 month ban for an elbow or stamp would probably force lads to question their involvement for future years. You could miss the whole season there.

If they do, well then so be it. It might be a way of stamping this stupidity that is creeping into the games. It only takes to get one or two high profile players to serve a ban and the message would get out.

If players want to play hurling and football, let them play just that, but if they want to be involved in tuggery well then the hurling and football field is not the place.

OK accidents do happen, but most cases in recent times are far from accidents.

Carcharodon

In my opinion it is a hard hitting mans game and anyone that plays knows that when things get heated, **** happens and everyone moves on. I only agree with bans after review if it is total recklessness off the ball and dangerous, only extreme incidents.

Diabhal Beag

PaulieC wrote: »

That's a lame argument you've put up there, and it's one that insults Kerry fans intelligence. Kerry fans don't think Galvin is a saint/prophet/god etc. - as a Kerry fan what annoys me is the inconsistency of the CCC - Galvin deserved his ban, Tomás O Sé deserves one, if he doesn't get it I'll actually be annoyed at the CCC, again failing to be consistent.

Not all Kerry fans. But who else would be offended that Paul Galvin did something dangerous that was caught on TV? Those fans want us to turn around and ignore the most despicable part of our sport, the malicious incidents and incidents of ill-discipline.

I agree that both players deserve a ban. Don't think I am anti-Kerry BTW. If I Galway player did something dangerous I would be the first person to say they should be banned.

Deise Tom

Carcharodon wrote: »

In my opinion it is a hard hitting mans game and anyone that plays knows that when things get heated, **** happens and everyone moves on. I only agree with bans after review if it is total recklessness off the ball and dangerous, only extreme incidents.

But you will there is a difference between hard hitting (Which there is nothing wrong with) and tuggery which we have seen come into the game. What went on at the start of the Wexford and Tipp Game had nothing to do with Hard Hitting. it was very dangerous.

Annuv

Carcharodon wrote: »

In my opinion it is a hard hitting mans game and anyone that plays knows that when things get heated, **** happens and everyone moves on. I only agree with bans after review if it is total recklessness off the ball and dangerous, only extreme incidents.

I couldn't agree more. And I bet that if you ask anyone that plays the game they'd say the same. It seems that after every televised game now the internet is awash with 'internet sportsmen' that are absolutely appalled that a hurl was broken or that there was a high tackle in football. It's a facking mans game and as long as there are no attempts to take someone out of game by seriosuly hurting them then it's all part of the game and what makes it mans game.

This notion that people have that thuggery is creeping into the game would want to put on a video of a hurling match from the 60s and watch the skelping that goes on OFF the ball as the ball drops into the square or over the bar. Those boys wouldn't get out as far as the pitch these days.

And as for football, imagine the uproar if this happened today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9VY7BKKCw

D'Agger

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Not all Kerry fans. But who else would be offended that Paul Galvin did something dangerous that was caught on TV? Those fans want us to turn around and ignore the most despicable part of our sport, the malicious incidents and incidents of ill-discipline.

I agree that both players deserve a ban. Don't think I am anti-Kerry BTW. If I Galway player did something dangerous I would be the first person to say they should be banned.

Fair enough wasn't trying to pin an anti-Kerry badge on you but afaik - it's a small majority that're "outraged" at what "happened" Galvin. Galvin did something worthy of a ban, the real issue people should be focusing on is the CCC who, as far as I'm concerned haven't been brought up on some horrible inconsistencies.

I've said this in a few threads now, I'm not trying to troll or keep harpin on that I don't think the CCC are doing a good job. I firmly believe that the CCC can help professionalise our game further and stamp out some of the foul play which hasn't just crept into the game, it's always been there. I just feel that they need to step up to the mark now before they become known as a jokeshop

Browney7

PaulieC wrote: »

That's a lame argument you've put up there, and it's one that insults Kerry fans intelligence. Kerry fans don't think Galvin is a saint/prophet/god etc. - as a Kerry fan what annoys me is the inconsistency of the CCC - Galvin deserved his ban, Tomás O Sé deserves one, if he doesn't get it I'll actually be annoyed at the CCC, again failing to be consistent.

He does deserve one but I couldn't care less if he does or not. It changes nothing for Limerick. All I know is that O'Se acted like a thug yesterday striking a man with his elbow when the player wasn't even looking (even the Kerry boys I know and the Kerry boys on here are saying it) went unpunished and scored 2 points. History books will show Kerry won the game by 3 and Limericks wait goes on.

Diabhal Beag

PaulieC wrote: »

Fair enough wasn't trying to pin an anti-Kerry badge on you but afaik - it's a small majority that're "outraged" at what "happened" Galvin. Galvin did something worthy of a ban, the real issue people should be focusing on is the CCC who, as far as I'm concerned haven't been brought up on some horrible inconsistencies.

I've said this in a few threads now, I'm not trying to troll or keep harpin on that I don't think the CCC are doing a good job. I firmly believe that the CCC can help professionalise our game further and stamp out some of the foul play which hasn't just crept into the game, it's always been there. I just feel that they need to step up to the mark now before they become known as a jokeshop

No problem buddy and I didn't want to come off as a troll either. I agree with your earlier point that consistency is an issue. It would be unfair if say Paul Galvin was suspended and Tomas O'Se or Eamonn O'Hara got off scot free.

derealbadger

Carcharodon wrote: »

In my opinion it is a hard hitting mans game and anyone that plays knows that when things get heated, **** happens and everyone moves on. I only agree with bans after review if it is total recklessness off the ball and dangerous, only extreme incidents.

I don't have a problem with your argument as long as the punishment and the commentary by the Sunday game is level but its not same go's for refs Galway have had 2 players sent of for far less than both brennan and Walsh did at the weekend it has been different for Kilkenny over the last 3 to 4 years all im asking for is a level playing field

An Citeog

derealbadger wrote: »

I don't have a problem with your argument as long as the punishment and the commentary by the Sunday game is level but its not same go's for refs Galway have had 2 players sent of for far less than both brennan and Walsh did at the weekend it has been different for Kilkenny over the last 3 to 4 years all im asking for is a level playing field

Level the playing field by not sending everyone off for every bit of physicality in a match, not by retrospectively banning whoever the Sunday Game chooses.

derealbadger

An Citeog wrote: »

Level the playing field by not sending everyone off for every bit of physicality in a match, not by retrospectively banning whoever the Sunday Game chooses.

no level the playing field by treating all players the same surely not that controversial an opinion

An Citeog

derealbadger wrote: »

no level the playing field by treating all players the same surely not that controversial an opinion

I agree that all players should be treated equally but handing out retrospective bans to 2 or 3 players per game in an attempt to sanitise the sport is ridiculous imo. The CCCC should only look at serious off the ball incidents. It's up to the referee to interpret the legitimacy of tackles and whether a player deserves to be booked/sent off or whatever.

derealbadger

An Citeog wrote: »

I agree that all players should be treated equally but handing out retrospective bans to 2 or 3 players per game in an attempt to sanitise the sport is ridiculous imo. The CCCC should only look at serious off the ball incidents. It's up to the referee to interpret the legitimacy of tackles and whether a player deserves to be booked/sent off or whatever.

OK I agree with this as long as referees are uniform in how they deal with it at the time if not then the CCCC should have the power to upgrade and downgrade to a uniform standard

keane2097

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

If you're stupid enough to do something stupid you deserve to be punished. The fans who get upset are the fans of Kerry who think Paul Galvin is a saint. Everything that happens on the pitch is recorded.

What a stupid thing to think that analysis shouldn't happen.

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

No problem buddy and I didn't want to come off as a troll either. I agree with your earlier point that consistency is an issue. It would be unfair if say Paul Galvin was suspended and Tomas O'Se or Eamonn O'Hara got off scot free.

I can't understand how you can make such a terrible post as your first one followed so soon after by such a good one as the second!

Seriously, it seems to have become the vogue now to paint Kerry fans as blinkered, mindless retards railing against ill-conceived "injustices" just for the lols.

If anyone can find me ll these posts where people say Galvin should be left off I'd be grateful, as it stands I'm pretty close to giving up on the GAA forum entirely since it seems to be largely populated by children.

Swarlez

castie wrote: »

Thats a matter for the ref NOT the CCC as the ref actioned on it so they cant.
No one is condoning it just some people bringing it up as a reason they feel galvin is victimised.

In my own opinion repeat offenders deserve to watched more closely.
If he doesnt want that treatment he could clean up his game, its his choice.

But that exactly is my problem with it. You cant think that kavanaghs tackle was less malicious than galvins. Why does "just cause the ref saw it" stop the cccc from taking harder action on something that simply should not happen in a game. the sunday game only highlighted galvins tackle (which they should of) but then didnt even mention the kavanagh challenge. This is reason why peope from kerry are feeling hard done by.

yes, repeat offenders do deserve to be watched more closely but that doesnt mean that if you've a fairly clean record, you can go out and do something that warrants a ban, hope to get away with just a yellow and never have it brought up by the cccc.

D'Agger

keane2097 wrote: »

as it stands I'm pretty close to giving up on the GAA forum entirely since it seems to be largely populated by children.

Ah grow up Keano

keane2097

PaulieC wrote: »

Ah grow up Keano

Fcuk off you child :pac:

Dermotsull13

The players, tactics and preparation of intercounty teams have moved on so much in the last few year that they are nearly at semi professional level you could say. However the powers that be and the disciplinary processes that exist are still stuck in the stone age. They are beyond a joke and for a national organisation that I am extremely proud of it is a disgrace that we are let down by such clowns in the positions of power.

An organisation that says that just because Derek Kavanagh choke was spotted and given a yellow card that nothing can happen now with the CCCC. But the same organisition allows a player (such as G Canty last week) who was given 2 yellow cards to take their case to an appeal. So if you are booked once nothing can happen you but if you are booked twice then you can take an appeal.

Also why could they not review the Derek Kavanagh case when only a week or two earlier Brian O’Meara’s yellow card from the Munster SHC quarter-final had been upgraded from yellow to red.

Inconsistency is all that the powers that be in the GAA seem able for these days

D'Agger

Personally I think the GAA as an organisation has to realise that in order for the games of both hurling & football to move forward, they must start with a structure that is unwavering, like the IRB.

I fail to see the point in trying to improve the games by introducing rules such as the handpassing rule in football, introducing tees for kickouts etc. if discipline isn't already a part of the games. There needs to be a restructuring of how the games are administered. The first thing that should be implemented and drummed into players from the grassroots of the sports is that the referee, while not always correct, is enforcing the rules as he interprets them and similar to rugby, there should be zero tolerance for backchat or abuse.

For larger, intercounty games there should be a video referee who can communicate with the referee, should he spot something. Now this will require cameras, an extra referee and further technology. If this can't be achieved in real time, why not examine match videos with an independant referee to try stamp out off the ball incidents, and collaborate with the match referee in producing a match report.

These are just simple thoughts I have on how the administration of the games can improve, I'm sure there's a good few cons to them, but I'm sick of hearing people point out the glaringly obvious truth that the CCCC, GAA etc. aren't consistent in enforcing rules. What solutions do people here think could be introduced??

oicherider

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

The fans who get upset are the fans of Kerry who think Paul Galvin is a saint. .

Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future..