lsi type r engine swap

digweed

I'm looking at building a rally car and am hoping to either get a civic coupe or a dc2 integra.

Thing is that nearly every coupe I've seen is lsi and the type r integras are kinda expensive. Is a b16b engine standard fitting with either of these cars or would I have to be changing looms, drives, ecu and gearbox?

There's a dc2 type r integra on donedeal with no engine, would a b16b out of a civic drop straight in or are they a different fitting?

Thanks.
D. :cool:

Graham_B18C

How much are you looking at spending? Would it not be cheaper to just get the DC2 with the B18 engine already? Tegs are getting very reasonable. And you have the better engine

Snowie

why a civic as a rally car ?curiosity more so...

Gary ITR

Would low down grunt not be needed for a rally car? Wouldn't think a high revving vtec engine would be suitable, just my opinion

Graham_B18C

Onkle wrote: »

Would low down grunt not be needed for a rally car? Wouldn't think a high revving vtec engine would be suitable, just my opinion

Very true, turbo could be an option but a very costly one. Most likely out of budget

5500

digweed wrote: »

I'm looking at building a rally car and am hoping to either get a civic coupe or a dc2 integra.

Thing is that nearly every coupe I've seen is lsi and the type r integras are kinda expensive. Is a b16b engine standard fitting with either of these cars or would I have to be changing looms, drives, ecu and gearbox?

There's a dc2 type r integra on donedeal with no engine, would a b16b out of a civic drop straight in or are they a different fitting?

Thanks.
D. :cool:

The uk EM1 coupes from 96 to 00 came with a B16A2, they weren't sold in japan. B16B is from a JDM type R, it would be beyond me why you would want the likes of a DC2 and to go from a B18 to a B16 conversion though.

If your intent on that route look at a DC1 which is the 1.6 version teg, the mounting of the engine shouldnt be a problem but your definitly going to need a different ecu, gearbox ect

digweed

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

why a civic as a rally car ?curiosity more so...

Civics are one of the most popular rally cars. 160bhp standard, you'd have to throw a lot of money at other cars to get that kind of power.

eireal wrote: »

The uk EM1 coupes from 96 to 00 came with a B16A2, they weren't sold in japan. B16B is from a JDM type R, it would be beyond me why you would want the likes of a DC2 and to go from a B18 to a B16 conversion though.

If your intent on that route look at a DC1 which is the 1.6 version teg, the mounting of the engine shouldnt be a problem but your definitly going to need a different ecu, gearbox ect

The reason for the 1.6 is because when you first start rallying the max engine size is 1650cc until you finish 4 events. Think I might go the civic coupe route after all, seems a bit simpler to buy the coupe and a hatch vtec and swap everything over.

Thanks for all the replies.
D. :cool:

pablosd

eireal wrote: »

The uk EM1 coupes from 96 to 00 came with a B16A2

not true at all, em1's were only produced in 99 and 00, and only em1's came with b16a2 in civic coupes
earlier coupes EJ6's etc, were equipped with d16y sohc vtec/non vtec engine

pablosd

probably eg6 vti, ef9 vti or ee8 crx vti, is what you want, b16a2(160bhp) in lightweight sheels with decent handling make good starter cars....

digweed

pablosd wrote: »

probably eg6 vti, ef9 vti or ee8 crx vti, is what you want, b16a2(160bhp) in lightweight sheels with decent handling make good starter cars....

Thanks, what I'm trying to figure out is that if I buy an lsi coupe will a b16a or b engine for a hatchback just drop straight in or do I have to change loom, ecu, gearbox and drives? Are the engine mounts different?

Thanks.
D. :cool:

Pdfile

Onkle wrote: »

Would low down grunt not be needed for a rally car? Wouldn't think a high revving vtec engine would be suitable, just my opinion

would be with cams and such.... not Really on a budget though...


check england for cheap Rally cars.

pablosd

digweed wrote: »

Thanks, what I'm trying to figure out is that if I buy an lsi coupe will a b16a or b engine for a hatchback just drop straight in or do I have to change loom, ecu, gearbox and drives? Are the engine mounts different?

Thanks.
D. :cool:

Ok, costwise, there is no point doing conversion imo, doing B16a2 swap, you will need : engine, driveshafts,gearbox, ecu, loom, mounts are the same, but for rallying id recommend to upgrade to aftermarket ones a d-series might not be able to hold out for too long, also for rallying ud want the vti suspension as its much better against reglular civic coupe suspension. There is lots of work there involved and even if u can do all that stuff yourself(u will also come across problems, dash lights lighting up if something done wrong), its not worth the effort imo.

Best option is, buy cheap clean enough EG6vti/Ek4 vti/EF9vti EE8CRX VTi (ud pik up one for 2grand without test), strip it out to last, put necessary equipment for rallying and fire away. Sounds much easier/cheaper option?

copeyhagen

check these few out

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/974354

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1415990

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1321788

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1327265

or toyota gti
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1414893

digweed

pablosd wrote: »

Ok, costwise, there is no point doing conversion imo, doing B16a2 swap, you will need : engine, driveshafts,gearbox, ecu, loom, mounts are the same, but for rallying id recommend to upgrade to aftermarket ones a d-series might not be able to hold out for too long, also for rallying ud want the vti suspension as its much better against reglular civic coupe suspension. There is lots of work there involved and even if u can do all that stuff yourself(u will also come across problems, dash lights lighting up if something done wrong), its not worth the effort imo.

Best option is, buy cheap clean enough EG6vti/Ek4 vti/EF9vti EE8CRX VTi (ud pik up one for 2grand without test), strip it out to last, put necessary equipment for rallying and fire away. Sounds much easier/cheaper option?

Thanks. What I'm planning is to get a cheap coupe and probably a crashed vti and swap everything, if it's possible, I'll do most of it myself but I have a very good mechanic just in case. I'll be putting in aftermarket suspension alright, looking at tein or proflex.

copeyhagen wrote: »

check these few out

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/974354

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1415990

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1321788

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1327265

or toyota gti
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1414893

Believe me, I'm near cross eyed from looking at donedeal!!!! The main reason for not buying a ready made car is because I'm going to have to get the cage made for me and there is no point in buying a car only to have to tear out the cage and seats to start again.

Thanks.
D. :cool:

ianobrien

digweed wrote: »

The main reason for not buying a ready made car is because I'm going to have to get the cage made for me

Why are you getting a cage made?

If I were you, I'd contact a MI scrutineer (http://www.motorsportireland.com and run it past them. Home made cages do not work well in accidents, and I imagins that a Civic hatch & Coupe have the same internal dimensions.

Also, with regard to the Proflex, quite an amount of testing has gone into them to get the best settings for a hatch. Using them in a Coupe (assuming they fit) means that you'll be on your own with bump, rebound, spring length & poundage etc.

Also, I imagine that a coupe is heavier, so who bother.....

Corkladddd!!

Firstly you cant make a cage yourself, it has to be built be a certified welder and this will probably cost you as much as the box shape rally car above. And even then you are taking a chance as it is up to the individual scrutineer at each rally.

Also forget the coupe idea, you are ruling yourself out of competitiveness.....if you are a novice to the sport but something cheap do a few rallys or even go as a navigator....

It is prob easier to buy than to build at the moment, alot of people getting out due to the costs!!!

projectgtr

Corkladddd!! wrote: »

Firstly you cant make a cage yourself, it has to be built be a certified welder

Lads did he say he was making the cage himself

Corkladddd!!

Nope but I was just saying getting a custom cage he wont see alot of change out of a few k if he really wants to get it to a point that it will pass scrutiny, I know of FIA approved cages that havn't passed some scrutinys...and of one cage that passed for 2 rallys but failed the third becuse one mounting bolt had loosened a bit!