1st for The 1st

Overheal

Google seems to have launched this, I kinda like the idea.

July 1st, Google's homepage has a subtle little link to 1 For all

http://www.google.com/landing/1forall/

A new 'holiday' to raise awareness and understanding of the First Amendment.

Me I like the Seperation of Church and State especially, but what does the 1st mean to you?

Amerika

The First Amendment grants everyone in the U.S. the freedom to publish (unless you are Rupert Murdoch or Conservative radio hosts), express views (unlimited expression granted only to minorities), practice religion (all religions except Christianity), assemble and petition government (excluding Tea Parties).

Oh wait, that's next years agenda for Obama's assault on the US Constitution.

CathalMc

Not to be a nitpicker, but its worth nitpicking this since the topic is apparently the understanding of the 1st amendment and it is frequently mis-used, abused and misquoted.

It grants no rights whatsoever to anyone - unlike what Google, a good fraction of Americans (and Amerika - sorry) state and infer. Those rights were considered intrinsic but we are all free to inhibit a person's ability to free speech in whatever legal way we see fit: rebut their position, criticize them, laugh at them, fire them (if employees), run ads attacking them, have protests against them, and (and since Amerika brought it up) ridicule a religion, the religious and even the most pious, generous and wholesome individuals.

The 1st amendment does not even necessarily prevent the government agents from doing any of this (interestingly). It simply invalidates any government law that would inhibit free speech, no more, no less.

Manic Moran

*Waits for Google to do one on the 2nd the following day*

Overheal

fire them (if employees)

theres a lot of **** you cant fire people for in fairness.

Manic Moran

CathalMc wrote: »

It grants no rights whatsoever to anyone - unlike what Google, a good fraction of Americans (and Amerika - sorry) state and infer. Those rights were considered intrinsic but we are all free to inhibit a person's ability to free speech in whatever legal way we see fit: rebut their position, criticize them, laugh at them, fire them (if employees), run ads attacking them, have protests against them, and (and since Amerika brought it up) ridicule a religion, the religious and even the most pious, generous and wholesome individuals.

The shorter version of that is that the 1st guarantees you the right to say anything you want, but it does not necessarily protect you from reprecussions of that speech.

NTM

Denerick

Amerika wrote: »

The First Amendment grants everyone in the U.S. the freedom to publish (unless you are Rupert Murdoch or Conservative radio hosts), express views (unlimited expression granted only to minorities), practice religion (all religions except Christianity), assemble and petition government (excluding Tea Parties).

Oh wait, that's next years agenda for Obama's assault on the US Constitution.

How are any of those freedoms imperilled? The fairness doctrine is gone, everybody has the freedom to express views, everybody has the freedom to practise religion (But people are NOT allowed to evangelicise public schools as the US is a secular nation and public schools are government property) and Tea Partiers do, rather annoyingly, get to petition government.

And shut up about Obama's assault on the US constitution. George Bush took one look at the US constitution, realised he didn't have the intelligence to understand it, wiped his arse with it whilst simultaneously ordering his agents to torture people.

By way of contrast, Obama was a professor of constitutional law.

Amerika

Denerick wrote: »

How are any of those freedoms imperilled? The fairness doctrine is gone,

Obama is trying to bring it back

everybody has the freedom to practise religion (But people are NOT allowed to evangelicise public schools as the US is a secular nation and public schools are government property)

Didn't you see where Christians were recently arrested here at a Muslim event... I think for simply preaching Christianity.

and Tea Partiers do, rather annoyingly, get to petition government.

Like I said, there's always next year.

And shut up about Obama's assault on the US constitution.

Trying to surpress my freedom of speech, huh? Very fitting!

By way of contrast, Obama was a professor of constitutional law.

I think you actually mean "guest teacher."

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

Didn't you see where Christians were recently arrested here at a Muslim event... I think for simply preaching Christianity.

If true, that seems a clear violation of the First Amendment, infringing upon the right of Muslims to practice their faith.

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

If true, that seems a clear violation of the First Amendment, infringing upon the right of Muslims to practice their faith.

Here is the information.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=1059868

So you would be hunky-dory with Muslims being arrested for saying "allah akbar" from accross the street from our village annual Catholic picnic?

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

Here is the information.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=1059868

So you would be hunky-dory with Muslims being arrested for saying "allah akbar" from accross the street from our village annual Catholic picnic?

Nope.

I don't know why you have to be so obtuse all the time but I have no double standard about it.

Muslims want to hold a Cultural gathering: leave em alone. Christians want to hold a Cultural gathering: leave em alone.

Denerick

Amerika wrote: »

Obama is trying to bring it back

Didn't you see where Christians were recently arrested here at a Muslim event... I think for simply preaching Christianity.

Like I said, there's always next year.

Trying to surpress my freedom of speech, huh? Very fitting!

I think you actually mean "guest teacher."

Why do you ignore any criticism of Bush? It ain't going away son. So long as your kind don't face up to the sins of the last President your moral high ground will be at sea level.

Amerika

Denerick wrote: »

Why do you ignore any criticism of Bush? It ain't going away son. So long as your kind don't face up to the sins of the last President your moral high ground will be at sea level.

I have plenty of criticism of Bush, and have even noted some on this board. But someone needs to defend what he has done right here. I’ll leave the majority of the criticism here to the sheeple.

Just received recognization from the George W. Buh Presidential Center yesterday signed by W. All I ever got from Barack Obama is higher taxes that will hit in about 6 months.

As for the moral high ground… if I stand on the shore and gaze at the horizon, I can see almost forever.

And I could say the same of you and Obama.

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

Just received recognization from the George W. Buh Presidential Center yesterday signed by W.

And. It. Shows.






roflmao

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

And. It. Shows.

You make it sound like a bad thing

Overheal

perhaps I should have emboldened your Bushism?

Recognition

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Mjollnir

Amerika wrote: »

I have plenty of criticism of Bush, and have even noted some on this board. But someone needs to defend what he has done right here. I’ll leave the majority of the criticism here to the sheeple.

Just received recognization from the George W. Buh Presidential Center yesterday signed by W.

They bronzed the mop?

Gunmonkey

Amerika wrote: »

As for the moral high ground… if I stand on the shore and gaze at the horizon, I can see almost forever.

Awww thats sweet, you painted a mural of the horizon in the moral ditch that most of the die-hard Bush supporters reside in as you will probably never see it for real. Thats nice.

sceptre

I'd appreciate it both as forum moderator and a human being if people posted far less rubbish in future.

It's been over a page or so since there was a useful reply to this thread - seriously guys, making an effort isn't difficult.